Open 898: Don't Fall In The Volcano! | Game Over!

[NekoLover]

I will be reassessing the game under the assumption that there was no scum involvement in the page 2 E-1 wagon.

Those of you who still want to talk to me, I'll try my best to respond.

I'm pretty confident in my feeling that atleast one person on the wagon was scum. But perhaps the wagon moved too fast for scum to pile on/hammer

[Aureal]

1.12

Votecount 1.12

FakeGod (3: E-2)

-> Klick, Claptastik, Black

Klick (2)

-> NekoLover, KawaiiKame

Claptastik(2)

-> Dannflor, Skygazer

Not Voting (2)

-> DragonEater70, FakeGod

With 9 gladiators in the arena, it takes 5 votes to remove someone from play.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-26 16:28:30).

Mod Notes: the combined mod ISO can be found here.

[KawaiiKame]

Dann-I like Dann's switch in thought about Clap/Klick in 538 and 542, they show a fluidity in thinking and attention to detail specifically to Klick's words in 504. Though I disagree with Dann's conclusion of Klick feeling performative with replication, I do feel Klick is off this game; letting things happen instead of actively pursuing anyone. Dann's switch in thought is specifically surprising since he defended Klick previously in 324, 328, 332 Is this potentially distancing between Dann/Klick? Yes. Does this feel like a natural switch in thought with Dann reflecting on the game? Yes. Though partner equity between Dann/Klick exists it's lessened with this change in thought.
What concerns me though is this,

Why are you voting Clap over Klick when it seems pretty obvious that there is a bigger appetite for a Klick wagon

i don't feel as confident in my read on klick

i think clap flips scum a lot of the time

i think there are some people on this playerlist who might be likely to follow me onto the wagon of my choosing

if Dann is scum he has the persuasive power to both defend and distance himself from Klick and to convince Black to vote clap twice in 333 (off of klick), and 556 to e-2. in defending and distancing from Klick, Black is a focal point, Dann mirroring her,

I just think it seems really convenient to hop on my wagon despite not agreeing with any of the reasons why I could be scum

I think it’s reasonable for klick to want to pressure you

He doesn’t have to think you are lock scum like dragon to want to put pressure on you to sort you

think klick/claptastik is still my top 360 no-scope pick for a scum team actually

I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting

This is hard to believe considering you townread him for *reasons* and tried to dismantle his wagon

What I mean by mirroring is Dann being defensive when Black is being accusatory, then Dann reflecting Black's klick read in thinking but not in action. Dann sees Black as town twice in 321 and 545
I agree with Dann in Black being town. When initially reading the interactions between black and dann about klick made sense. If it's town/town both have diverging ways of thinking that end up to close to the same conclusions. If it's scum/town then Dann is pocketing Black. If scum/scum then this is a masterclass in deception especially with this in the game. The back and forth between black and dann feels way too organic to be calculated so I highly doubt scum parity exists between them. Dann's change in and flow of thought is in line with solving so I feel he slightly leans town at the edge of nai; his scum parity in potentially defending, distancing, and derailing votes off of klick weighing dann down. Since Klick is my highest scumread I want to flip Klick to see if Dann is town/scum.

[KawaiiKame]

I will be reassessing the game under the assumption that there was no scum involvement in the page 2 E-1 wagon.

Those of you who still want to talk to me, I'll try my best to respond.

I want to talk to you, who do you feel is scum outside of the people in the page 2 E-1 wagon.

[DragonEater70]

Meh

I promise I'll read everything that transpired since my fight with Black at SOME point, but I am not sure it will be today because like Black I also got a job recently and have less time for mafia during the day.

And I already have plans for this evening.

I am still anti-voting Klick and will continue to do so until I see a good case against him (which I haven't seen yet. 504 is a pretty NAI post).

Also if Klick is Dann's partner we should vote Dann.

[Dannflor]

Maybe dragon is scum

[Claptastik]

Along those lines, I would think it took him significant time to find that game from 8 years ago.

I reread that specific game about a month ago and it was fresh on my memory.

There are probably other games like so, but I will have to look through to find them.

In very brief: I was vaguely aware that Black was at E-1. I didn't care that much about it. In the very early stages of the game I find that sort of stuff somewhat amusing. If people want to do crazy stuff early on, that's their prerogative. Ultimately there's stuff to read into that sort of play. The E-1 contributed to us progressing the thread in a healthy way.

tl;dr risk-averse play during RVS is for losers.

I've come back from work and this post caught my eye. I am saddened.

It seems yet again that I'm faced with the stark reality that there are some players who will draw town and do anti-town things.

I did not expect Klick to just straight up admit that what he did was antitown and he doesn't care.

I have no coherent response.

Maybe page 2 E-1 wagon was just bunch of townies doing stunts, and I am simply... risk-averse.

Why does this surprise you?

In the game you linked, which you recently reread, the early hammer wasn't by scum looking for an excusable mislim.

It wasn't accidental, by town who didn't realize it was at E-1.

The hammer came from town who knowingly did an anti-town thing. He said "Quick day? Sure, why not." and then hammered.

Your posts above ring false.

[DragonEater70]

Maybe dragon is scum

Yuck

My inactivity is NAI bruh

[DragonEater70]

In very brief: I was vaguely aware that Black was at E-1. I didn't care that much about it. In the very early stages of the game I find that sort of stuff somewhat amusing. If people want to do crazy stuff early on, that's their prerogative. Ultimately there's stuff to read into that sort of play. The E-1 contributed to us progressing the thread in a healthy way.

tl;dr risk-averse play during RVS is for losers.

I've come back from work and this post caught my eye. I am saddened.

It seems yet again that I'm faced with the stark reality that there are some players who will draw town and do anti-town things.

I did not expect Klick to just straight up admit that what he did was antitown and he doesn't care.

I have no coherent response.

Maybe page 2 E-1 wagon was just bunch of townies doing stunts, and I am simply... risk-averse.

Wow it's almost like I told you it's NAI

RIP FakeGod's entire approach to the game I guess.

I will be reassessing the game under the assumption that there was no scum involvement in the page 2 E-1 wagon.

Those of you who still want to talk to me, I'll try my best to respond.

I wonder what they come up with.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Dann

[Klick]

I feel like the reads in this game have splintered all over the place over the last few pages. It feels unnatural and is probably caused at least in part by scum

[Klick]

kawaii is just asking a lot of nothing questions and kind of commentating the game

i don't super feel they are invested in finding scum

They do that as town

I concur, I think it's playstyle

My source is this game

What is your read on Dannflor?

I lean town
His approach feels very naturally similar to this game
I like his progression on me and him using his weight to project a townread on you
It feels like he cares about that for town reasons and not scum-trying-to-get-townread reasons

It's not solid, he obviously understands optics well, but I think he's +town atm and don't want him gone today at all

[Klick]

do either of you specifically town read kawaii or do you just believe that isn't a reason to scum read them

I want to look more closely at Kawaii and Claptastik, I feel like those are the two reads I'm slacking on atm
I thought Kawaii was town earlier but I'd have to recontextualise to put together why

[Klick]

I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting

he did later say that he was trying to incorporate elements of poker or something into his gameplay which i thought maybe explained the difference and he was intentionally trying to play more reserved

but idk at this point i am leaning back towards klick mimicking his town game as opposed to actually being town.

Boooo

[Klick]

Here is something that is bothering me Dann

I think Black's expressed paranoia of the two of us looks rather towny

I also think that positioning to want either you or me out today is exactly what Black would want to be doing if she were scum here

Can you help me alleviate my cognitive dissonance there, because I both see Black!town and think this is too good for Black!scum

[Klick]

Black I'm pretty sure is town

Like this is also my initial thought at this point in progression but I want you to insist that this is correct again so I can just say okay

[Klick]

yeah 504 seemed off to me too, and i'm skeptical that klick townreads me here. the reasoning for the townread feels like a reach too

Who are you saying this to, and why do you think it's a reach?

I don't think I'd want to drop a flat townread on your slot if you're town and I were scum, frankly

[Klick]

Is the reason that you're skeptical I townread you related to me generally expressing that I find you hard to read in the past?

I am also surprised that I just believe you're town here, but I feel like I can clearly see your progression of thought and I believe in it

[Klick]

Currently I have black, neko, de70, and you north of null
skygazer null
fakegod, kawaii - scum pool

Am I actually just that close to a solve I'm happy with

[Klick]

That's very close to where I am atm

Basic map of my reads is

{Neko, Skygazer, DragonEater} - town
{Dann, Black} - leaning town
{Claptastik, Kawaii} - mixed, want to look closer
{FakeGod} - scummy

Which is really simple if my townreads are just correct and none of them actually feel that wrong

[Klick]

Meh

I promise I'll read everything that transpired since my fight with Black at SOME point, but I am not sure it will be today because like Black I also got a job recently and have less time for mafia during the day.

And I already have plans for this evening.

I am still anti-voting Klick and will continue to do so until I see a good case against him (which I haven't seen yet. 504 is a pretty NAI post).

Also if Klick is Dann's partner we should vote Dann.

Maybe dragon is scum

I don't see who Dragon is scum with in this scenario though
Like in a vacuum I can see why 579 looks scummy. But most variations of scum!Dragon should be pretty satisfied with the game narrative and not have a huge reason to draw attention peddling the Klick/Dann theory

If it were like Dragon/FakeGod, then I'm not sure why Dragon is putting pressure on us just as FakeGod has removed his vote on me. It's discordant
It's weird from a Dragon/Clap team as well

I could maaaaybe see Dragon/Kawaii coordinating in this way?

[DragonEater70]

Do you think that Dann's read here comes from town? I can't see what thought process would lead him there.

[DragonEater70]

Also I'm not pushing the Dann/Klick narrative

I think you are town

I just saw Black pushing that narrative and I think Dann is likelier to flip scum than you

[DragonEater70]

Or maybe it was Neko

Idk

[DragonEater70]

Also I might be sick

I wasn't planning to catch up today but now I am planning even less.