Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[usesPython]

That's E-1 since facebook moved off Titus

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

[Firebringer]

I am so night killing u tonight for calling me facebook

[usesPython]

I am so night killing u tonight for calling me facebook

You're right, forgot they rebranded to Meta

[Gamma Emerald]

do u have a sort on me and are u willing to vote dragon eater

Tenative town and I'd vote almost anyone

Who is scum on you/HT?

Honestly, it'd be a guess no better than random. Thread is moving so fast. The best I have is even split on both our wagons as I don't think Hu Tao is scum.

I mean it feels kinda hopeless that my n0 doesn't TR me but I don't pander so

Can you just hyperskim and give names, I am trying to let you play to your outs which is VCA, I get that you rely on flips but I think with the conclusions you’ve made it’s possible for you to figure something out.
UNVOTE:
Relieving the pressure

[Gamma Emerald]

Ari and yessiree would be my non guaranteed guesses as scum based on vcs. Normally, I'd think Gamma Emerald but Gamma Emerald is my n0

ah, thank you, that’s at least a start
Do you think there’s scum off-wagon?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

isnt this like the third time u have done this

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

[Firebringer]

ill fight all wagons on yesman and ari to the death.

[yessiree]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

why won't u go dragon eater?

[Firebringer]

yesiree and ari are keeping me sane which probably means both are scum. But god damn it, I want to keep my sanity

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

why won't u go dragon eater?

We're pretty good at finding town DE and he towntold

[Titus]

Ari and yessiree would be my non guaranteed guesses as scum based on vcs. Normally, I'd think Gamma Emerald but Gamma Emerald is my n0

ah, thank you, that’s at least a start
Do you think there’s scum off-wagon?

Yes given no counter

[Aristeia]

yesiree and ari are keeping me sane which probably means both are scum. But god damn it, I want to keep my sanity

is your sanity in the room with us right now

[Gamma Emerald]

ill fight all wagons on yesman and ari to the death.

Who are you willing to wagon, then

[Firebringer]

yesiree and ari are keeping me sane which probably means both are scum. But god damn it, I want to keep my sanity

is your sanity in the room with us right now

idk ur the one holding onto it. Where did u put it?

[usesPython]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

why won't u go dragon eater?

More specifically this post is well beyond scum DE's ability to fake a pivot like this

Spoiler: beeg

I have some unbaked thoughts about Ari and Naerys

Alrighty

I've had a good night's sleep and then a chill day, and now the bakery inside my mind is operating in full cpacity, and all my thoughts are fully baked.

Let's roll.

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 1

you just feel like you're having a lot of fun

tbh this is like the least reliable way to read someone because the last time I read sakura this way she was mafia

im like pretty unlikely to put the effort into this game to actually do some hardcore solving but gth i think naerys hu tao and black feel kinda scummy

So these posts, like I said before, pinged me as scummy and not really putting thought into the game in a way that I hadn't seen town!Ari do.

But then I saw these posts:

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 2

i am pretty sure black is town and willing to put her in w/e name i give to my town core group whenever i come up with a name for it.

why is naerys or hu tao scummy for u even if u want to give a sentence or somethin

naerys feels like she's selfconscious and focussed on how she appears in the game

hu tao rule of 3 from naerys post and her content feels ? she mentions reading a few times but has no content on what she's read

black because she's hu tao's inno result and also she feels so cool and collected when she gets pushed here, some of her comments feel p out of place with her progressions.

idk if ur doing a really good job of telling me a good version of what u think i will think is a good reason to call me townie or u really believe it. If its fake its pretty good ngl

its not a great reason to call someone town its a p bad reason for a read tbh but I'm unlikely to actually commit more effort to this game because I want to be more casual and less tryhardy to enjoy the game more. I don't want people to get mad at me for being too suffocating.

i might even throw meuh in as a 4th scumread but that feels LAZY and I can't read her for shit lol

And these posts kinda pinged town. And I did agree that there was something off about Naerys play this game (more on this later). However, despite the fact that these posts are towny in a vacuum, I still felt this is scum!Ari by meta.

So I actually went and did meta research on Ari, or at least tried to because apparently she only has one scum game on this site aside from Fruit Mafia. But anyway the point is I did look at her town games and apparently Ari is not ALWAYS a tryhard townie, there's also a laid back version of town!Ari that wants to be carried (for example in the game "The Coalition, Again"). So this makes the entire meta scumread on her invalid tbh.

I also liked these posts and I think they are very similar to something Ari posted as town in Coalition of Frogs (Open 887):

Spoiler: Ari quotes, part 3

what is my record for reading black? Is it 2/3 or 2/4 or what is it even at this point. I think Black progressions make sense for her? But she is just feeling like a different player and i guess thats just the mood/feeling in the game/day for her.

well when I say progression I mean like

293

this is directly at me and asking me to join her roleplay group and vote for RCE - which is kind of a way to defend Naerys because she's asking me to move from one suspect to another. I turned her down because I liked RCE's response in 289 because it felt like a very spontaneous and fun response to make in the moment - she then responds in 301 which is ?

like does she still think RCE is mafia at that point? does she like my read progression on RCE? if she does why's she still voting for him?

then she votes me at 735 and clarifies in 747 that she thinks I was pocketing her? which doesn't really make sense to me because like I turned her down in our brief interaction so I'm not sure how I was pocketing her.

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

I guess it was this

ok but if I'm mafia and posting that to pocket her and she offers me to join her court and vote a suspect of mine wouldnt it make sense for me to uh join her court and help her if that was my goal?

Anyways, I also skimmed Naerys ISO and I felt she hasn't been really solving this game. However, in both Mini Normal 2316 and Mini Theme 2318, she was also not really solving early. And she did do SOME solving this game. So I think I'm fine with not calling Naerys scum right now.

Hmm it kinda feels like I had more to say about Naerys but tbh I don't really. K let me post this and then go read the ~8 pages I'm missing.

[Aristeia]

idk ur the one holding onto it. Where did u put it?

I'll never give it back

[Firebringer]

ill fight all wagons on yesman and ari to the death.

Who are you willing to wagon, then

theta, bella, davesaz, furtive, gob slot, naerys,

basically anyone not in my town grouping that i feel pretty good about
which is: you, black/drew, meuh, ari, and python

i could be convinced on yessiree but im just not even seeing a solid case.

[Firebringer]

ohh also hua toa is also in my town group

[usesPython]

ill fight all wagons on yesman and ari to the death.

Who are you willing to wagon, then

theta, bella, davesaz, furtive, gob slot, naerys,

basically anyone not in my town grouping that i feel pretty good about
which is: you, black/drew, meuh, ari, and python

i could be convinced on yessiree but im just not even seeing a solid case.

yes man's just the kind of player you have to vibe read for genuineness vs feeling like he has a mask on, we don't really have an in depth case beyond that

[Firebringer]

this is basically where im at readslist:
Town
Gamma, Drew, Hua Tao, Mueh, Python
Aristeia (leaving room for paranoia)
yessiree
------Below this fine with killing right now------
furtiveglance
Naerys
theta
bella
gob slot
davesaz
Titus
Dragoneater70
Scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I asked people earlier to refute my townread on uP’s early game, that request is still open since I don’t really see the scum agenda to uP’s current play, this just feels like knee jerk reactions

[yessiree]

yeah idk, i'd still rather go for Titus today

i have a brain freeze, can't think

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I asked people earlier to refute my townread on uP’s early game, that request is still open since I don’t really see the scum agenda to uP’s current play, this just feels like knee jerk reactions

I haven't read UP's early game but I saw an omgus and then basically a tantrum. That behavior would be NAI but for the timing.