Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[Elements]

Bloop

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.

currently I want to vote Kyo

Mhm, who would be Kyo's partner

[JacksonVirgo]

Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on

[JacksonVirgo]

Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on

This is directed at Elements but I'm wanting this from everyone

[Elements]

Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on

I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest
you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away

that scentence feels like it shouldn't be that long

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest

You and me both

(although drew is just there cuz of the Kyo v Black stuff, I do think isolated he's townie)

[Elements]

I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest

You and me both

(although drew is just there cuz of the Kyo v Black stuff, I do think isolated he's townie)

idk how to read drew, Im mostly scumming the slot off gamma and his vote on me yesturday

[JacksonVirgo]

you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away

Yeah, if I rehash what I was saying now that I've caught up. It read to me as like Black made an argument they had thought was going to stick, you countered it by stating what you were referring to and then when Gamma popped in, it threw what Black said into the void essentially. And their reaction is one of which they feel like they want to keep the stance they made (aka scum agenda, making an argument to fit a viewpoint rather than making an argument bcuz a thing was scummy) but went to give up hence the "Ok, it's a stretch but ok".

[Elements]

I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest

You and me both

what do you think about gob's analysis of one on/one off the shadow wagon?

[JacksonVirgo]

If this was the NKA/VCA analysis I kinda skipped over that because I feel that stuff is always built around an assumption of what X thing means rather than knowing that it actually means that or not.

[JacksonVirgo]

But if you want me to look back over that I can do that

[JacksonVirgo]

Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)

[Elements]

But if you want me to look back over that I can do that

The tl;dr is
Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.

[Elements]

Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)

I don't fully understand this

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.

Why could they not have killed because Clap was clearly town?

[Elements]

Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.

Why could they not have killed because Clap was clearly town?

that was my argument against it

[Elements]

glad you had exactly the same reaction as me

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel both kills (Clap + Gob's successor) can easily be chalked up to "they were townie as fuck" so any NKA is kinda going to be thrown out the window for me

[Elements]

yup yup

[JacksonVirgo]

Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)

I don't fully understand this

Black votes Kyo (then unvotes when Kyo gets voted a bunch more)
Kyo then votes Black creating a cross-vote

Shadow puts a vote onto Kyo, which is what made Black unvote and then later vote shadow.
Black gave no real reason as to why they voted off of Kyo, and kinda made it seem like Shadow was wolfy for what he did when it wasn't. It was more of a strawman to be able to pivot off of Kyo I think but regardless.

They both should have though each other wolves, they gave no real reason or progression as to why they wouldn't at this point but they both ended up on the solve of Shadow/Elements and then split their votes (one on one, the other on the other).

As Town, this level of coordination given their thoughts on the other is weird.
As wolves together, this coordination benefits the pair.

Which is my version of VCA rather than the NKA/VCA that gob did

[Elements]

thanks

[JacksonVirgo]

If you want me to explain how this benefits the pair (if they're both wolves) I can also do that but idt that's needed

[Elements]

I'm warming to a titus vote
I feel like I was in a game she replaced into as red and played similarly to how she is now

[Elements]

wait, that might've been the game I replaced into
one sec

[Elements]

So I replaced in here and the red team were fully in control of the game
I thought titus felt similar to when she replaced into this game which could point to being red and fully content with the gamestate of 4 town arguing with each other