Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[DragonEater70]

I see

I will maintain my read on her as a weak townlean. It's pretty likely I'll end up healing her but I want to give the game a few more pages to solidify my reads

What do you think of Elements?

[Ydrasse]

i only roll scum on my alts to hide the truth

[Klick]

Like I said before work, I'll look at Elements when I'm sat down ready to give it more than surface thought

Which is imminently

[DragonEater70]

Yeah the reason I asked was you did mention something about sitting down to olay this evening

And it feels pretty evening to me (though I guess in UK there's like 17 more minutes until it's officially evening)

[DragonEater70]

i only roll scum on my alts to hide the truth

I believe you

Still curious what you think of Klick

[Ydrasse]

i’ll answer when i’m home probably or in a bit maybe

[Ydrasse]

off the top of my head i squinted a bit at his reason for calling me town because it felt like a potentially convenient read to have or i guess easy to make? “feels like you want to be here” is hard to rate for each person

[Klick]

Work clocked off 19 minutes ago

Time to give this my best 80%

[Klick]

off the top of my head i squinted a bit at his reason for calling me town because it felt like a potentially convenient read to have or i guess easy to make? “feels like you want to be here” is hard to rate for each person

I think this is valid and that's why I want to discuss it in more detail
I'd definitely put it closer to the 'gut' category than the 'fleshed out logic' category

[Ydrasse]

yes and like i know that is often how you play it’s just something that sounds good and is correct but doesn’t require a lot to say
even if i like that method of reading people i also like the Meat and Potatoes of content lol

[Klick]

So I'm not starting with much of a read at all on Elements. Up to this point I've mostly been reading with the lens of {town} vs. {???} and nothing Elements has done has obviously put them in the first bracket. I'll see if I can squeeze anything out of the slip argument that seems to be popular, but I didn't think much of it earlier.

[Klick]

yes and like i know that is often how you play it’s just something that sounds good and is correct but doesn’t require a lot to say
even if i like that method of reading people i also like the Meat and Potatoes of content lol

I like to avoid the meat and potatoes until I feel like I have something worthwhile enough to say as an argument, which isn't very often

[Klick]

I keep thinking this game is 7 players

there's also a part of me that wants to call this post like, really hard town for being the kind of thing scum would be very unlikely to genuinely think (because they have a scumbuddy they're interacting with/are probably more self-conscious about stuff)

and also extremely unlikely to come up with the idea of faking

I'm going to assume this sums up most people's basic reasoning for declaring Elements!town

I just... am not that compelled? The italics is what I'm not that convinced by. I agree that it splits Elements' states into {town telling the truth} and {scum faking}. But I don't really read Elements as the type of scum player who never makes post 62 for the hell of it.

What I do believe about the situation is that Elements at least has a level of awareness high enough to know that posting 62 will make people think about this kind of thing. The scum intent is obvious, but if Elements is town, I still think Elements wrote this with some amount of intent to get a reaction.

I don't feel that comfortable making an alignment judgement on the logic in this post, because I feel like it could go either way.

[Klick]

I keep thinking this game is 7 players

there's also a part of me that wants to call this post like, really hard town for being the kind of thing scum would be very unlikely to genuinely think (because they have a scumbuddy they're interacting with/are probably more self-conscious about stuff) and also extremely unlikely to come up with the idea of faking

The only read on me I like so far

@Elements: I suppose it's worth asking if what I wrote above is true and you had some amount of conscious awareness that posting 62 would get people talking about townslips?

[Klick]

I literally don't have AI thoughts on anything else Elements has posted

[DragonEater70]

So I'm not starting with much of a read at all on Elements. Up to this point I've mostly been reading with the lens of {town} vs. {???} and nothing Elements has done has obviously put them in the first bracket. I'll see if I can squeeze anything out of the slip argument that seems to be popular, but I didn't think much of it earlier.

I'm not TRing Elly for the slip

I think it's scum indicative to even call it a slip

[Klick]

What are you TRing Elements for then

[DragonEater70]

I'm TRing her for:

T3 townish.

I thought the same things from T3's first post

the "ok" one?

That's the one

That just feels like such a weird read to fake.

elements maybe town for not focusing so much on forming a townblock.

half my posts are about towning T3?

Rebutting a townread of her but without actually using the rebut to position herself, get town cred, or even as an excuse to form a read.

Dragon were you town in that game with Keylaga?

Yep

Why?

you feel similar

This could be faked, but considering her being uncomfortable with me in the coalition earlier I feel it's a weird approach for scum to just say that and I also just vibed with this because I believe that Elements would think that I feel similar.

[DragonEater70]

Also none of what I said is the real reason for the TR, it's actually a soulread. But like you said (or Dannflor said, idk), cases are for convincing people of a gutread, they are not the actual reason.

[Klick]

So the idea behind it is sort of a lack of attempted positioning?

What I want to deduce is how Elements!scum would likely approach the start of this game
Because my initial assumption is that it's not really out of Elements' range to not care that much about early positioning
But that could be wrong

I'll go have a glance at some Elements scum meta

[DragonEater70]

Lack of attempted positioning, lack of attempt to play a part (you sort of have to coax her thought process out of her), if her reads are fake then she decided to fake some really questionable reads with like no reason.

[Klick]

I think if her reads are fake the intent is to mimic authenticity
And to see if that has merit as an idea we just need to see if that's what Elements tends to aim for when she's scum

[Klick]

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Come join my reading club Dragon

[Klick]

Post 28 in that game stands out as similar in vibe to what you're talking about

[DragonEater70]

Alright I trust you to do the meta dive and let me know your conclusions

I wanna go read a book or something, haven't done that in a while.

P edit: LOL I might do that later

I love reading though