Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[Klick]

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Frankly I think the early game matches rather well with what you're describing

[Klick]

This just makes me think Elements is scum

[Elements]

Elements if we were in the voting stage (not coalition) who would you be voting for now?

right now probably ydra

Also if you can think of this, who would you have voted for so far before the hypothetical "current" vote?

I don't get what you mean here?

[Klick]

I'm satisfied that this is about what I'd expect from scum!Elements in terms of intended content and actual content
I'm now going to look back at town games and try to remember why Elements is usually a really free townread when town

[Elements]

I keep thinking this game is 7 players

there's also a part of me that wants to call this post like, really hard town for being the kind of thing scum would be very unlikely to genuinely think (because they have a scumbuddy they're interacting with/are probably more self-conscious about stuff) and also extremely unlikely to come up with the idea of faking

The only read on me I like so far

@Elements: I suppose it's worth asking if what I wrote above is true and you had some amount of conscious awareness that posting 62 would get people talking about townslips?

I went into this game from a perspective of thinking it would be unlikely we'd get a coalition win so if I wasn't in the coalition that puts me in a position to see a 1/5 and a 1/2 or a 2/5 which I think benefits town to solve. I was thinking of asking not to be in the coalition at that point I think? but then realised it was a 9p setup so that whole line of thinking was invalid.
I think my confusion came from the 7p wilson that was/is in signups

[Elements]

I'm now going to look back at town games and try to remember why Elements is usually a really free townread when town

if you find out can you let me know? I need to cut back on day 1/2 mislims, it's bad for my health

[Elements]

I'm satisfied that this is about what I'd expect from scum!Elements in terms of intended content and actual content

I do agree nothing I've done I couldn't have faked. That's why I liked Implo's read on me but none of the others. That one specifically talked about fakeing posts and why that one wasn't

[Klick]

I keep thinking this game is 7 players

there's also a part of me that wants to call this post like, really hard town for being the kind of thing scum would be very unlikely to genuinely think (because they have a scumbuddy they're interacting with/are probably more self-conscious about stuff) and also extremely unlikely to come up with the idea of faking

The only read on me I like so far

@Elements: I suppose it's worth asking if what I wrote above is true and you had some amount of conscious awareness that posting 62 would get people talking about townslips?

I went into this game from a perspective of thinking it would be unlikely we'd get a coalition win so if I wasn't in the coalition that puts me in a position to see a 1/5 and a 1/2 or a 2/5 which I think benefits town to solve. I was thinking of asking not to be in the coalition at that point I think? but then realised it was a 9p setup so that whole line of thinking was invalid.
I think my confusion came from the 7p wilson that was/is in signups

I think this is fair and probably true
But I now also think that this is a confusion that you could have as scum too
Particularly with renewed context of 'you aren't tryharding too much early on as scum' I could see you thinking this is 7p for the first few posts before you got engaged

[Elements]

There's not really much I can say against your read tbh
I could very easily be playing like this had I rolled red, I just happen to be town this time

[Klick]

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My day one often gets read as being forced or overcompensating or generally not natural, but most of the time it's just me saying whatever comes into my head without thinking before posting

I find it interesting that Elements describes her D1 as fairly NAI because I've found her very readable from early on in the last few games I've read with her in them. From what I can remember there's a noticeable self-consciousness and dip in enthusiasm/energy when she's scum. Here she just wants to play and get things going and it feels very motivated by wanting to make solvable content

I was scum in this quote but I was describing true thoughts on Elements' play

Tbh I think this reasoning is probably outdated. Elements seems lower energy in more recent games and that probably has little to do with alignment and more to do with outside factors.

Either way I don't really townread Elements atm and that's as solid as that read gets at this point in time. I think assuming scum was probably misguided as well though. Flat null.

[Klick]

There's not really much I can say against your read tbh
I could very easily be playing like this had I rolled red, I just happen to be town this time

What are your thoughts on DragonEater

[Klick]

I'm TRing her for:

T3 townish.

I thought the same things from T3's first post

the "ok" one?

That's the one

That just feels like such a weird read to fake.

elements maybe town for not focusing so much on forming a townblock.

half my posts are about towning T3?

Rebutting a townread of her but without actually using the rebut to position herself, get town cred, or even as an excuse to form a read.

Dragon were you town in that game with Keylaga?

Yep

Why?

you feel similar

This could be faked, but considering her being uncomfortable with me in the coalition earlier I feel it's a weird approach for scum to just say that and I also just vibed with this because I believe that Elements would think that I feel similar.

As a more general succinct response to this reasoning, now that I've looked at Elements' gameplay in excruciating detail: I think you're assuming a lot more effort out of scum!Elements here than scum!Elements would actually have.

[Elements]

There's not really much I can say against your read tbh
I could very easily be playing like this had I rolled red, I just happen to be town this time

What are your thoughts on DragonEater

Probably just town
I was concerned to begin with as he seemed to be very much taking charge of the game and there wasn't anything he was posting that gave me reason to town him. Then I thought back to the keylaga game and he feels similar there as I said earlier

[Elements]

As a more general succinct response to this reasoning, now that I've looked at Elements' gameplay in excruciating detail: I think you're assuming a lot more effort out of scum!Elements here than scum!Elements would actually have.

Someone said it!
I've been waiting so long for someone to say "that's more effort that elements would put in" or words to that effect
thank you

[Klick]

You feel vaguely towny right now hilariously

I agree with your Dragon take

You're hesitant on Ydrasse? I want to understand that more

[Klick]

I think you want to be understood and read accurately and I don't actually think that would be your state of mind as scum

[Elements]

You feel vaguely towny right now hilariously

I agree with your Dragon take

You're hesitant on Ydrasse? I want to understand that more

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[Klick]

You feel vaguely towny right now hilariously

I agree with your Dragon take

You're hesitant on Ydrasse? I want to understand that more

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I briefly skimmed Ydrasse's ISO and don't really understand what you want me to see

[Elements]

I briefly skimmed Ydrasse's ISO and don't really understand what you want me to see

Ydra feels like she's here this game
She did not in that game

[DragonEater70]

I agree with your Dragon take

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[Elements]

I think Ydrasse can be low WIM as either alignment
I think the high WIM expressed here is because Ydrasse is town

I've seen low-WIM Ydrasse-town as well

What I haven't seen is this kind of engagement from scum-Ydrasse
Might be worth a nosey through her scum meta in a bit

I have seen these and I'm aware I don't know Ydra's play well so will likely defer to this at some point

[DragonEater70]

As a more general succinct response to this reasoning, now that I've looked at Elements' gameplay in excruciating detail: I think you're assuming a lot more effort out of scum!Elements here than scum!Elements would actually have.

Not really

It's not the amount of effort

It's just a soulread

[Klick]

I agree with your Dragon take

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[DragonEater70]

I agree with your Dragon take

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Do you agree that there is no reason to TR me by play but i remind you of Mini Normal 2317? Because that is an extremely weird take if so.

[Klick]

I agree with your Dragon take

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Do you agree that there is no reason to TR me by play but i remind you of Mini Normal 2317? Because that is an extremely weird take if so.

No lol

I agree with the conclusion and the general direction of Elements' thinking on you

As in, early on I had an inkling of doubt that you might be deepwolfing, but I've decided that's not very likely with more analysis on my part