Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[Elements]

I haven’t read further than page 10 but I don’t like Black and Titus repped black so I’d rather that than Elements

VOTE: Titus

Meh this is a bad vote late on D2 on a player who is obviously not getting limmed

the replace-ins almost made me forgot that Jackson/Afrayed is a real possibility

You would be wrong about me, but then you are probably reading the slot and not me. So keep those blinkers on if you are town and go all the way to a lose

Now who's being aggressive

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Ok, why Jackson?

Why me?

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I’ve explained why you. Take it or leave it

I'll leave it

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You're a better vote

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But we're not going to persuade you to vote yourself and most people aren't here

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Why do you not want to when a few pages ago you thought we were the red team?

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If you want to flip Jackson for the info then move your votes. Seems that is where you want to be

No lim or your lim?

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Ok, up to you 3

Hammer yourself then

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Then it's a no lim. I'm not self hammering

You said it was up to us 3

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Then it's a no lim. I'm not self hammering

Not very pro town of you

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Also me acknowledging I could hammer yo self pres but I’m not

Please hammer

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Explain how a self hammer is pro town, explain how pressuring someone to self hammer is pro town.

No lim is anti town
I think you're red

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Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2

Why would you not hammer when it's you or knott?
Not hammering is literally asking to be limmed

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Kyo, knott, jv contain the scum team

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Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2

Why would you not hammer when it's you or knott?
Not hammering is literally asking to be limmed

Because I don’t care to?

You think knott is town?

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Explain how a self hammer is pro town, explain how pressuring someone to self hammer is pro town.

No lim is anti town
I think you're red

That's not an explanation that's a POV, and you only part answered the question

I Think you are red

No lim or JV?

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'aight, who's the last pr?

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I hate backreading

same

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'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

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Bloop

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'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to why

[Elements]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to why

They can claim if pushed, no reason to right now. Give them the choice, don't make it for them.

sure

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Not sure if I'm getting like blinded by my hatred for catchup or EoD1 was just a waste of space on MS's database

it was a fun mess that should've ended with kyo being limmed

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Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.

currently I want to vote Kyo

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hey look

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Bloop

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Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on

I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest
you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away

that scentence feels like it shouldn't be that long

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I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest

You and me both

(although drew is just there cuz of the Kyo v Black stuff, I do think isolated he's townie)

idk how to read drew, Im mostly scumming the slot off gamma and his vote on me yesturday

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I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest

You and me both

what do you think about gob's analysis of one on/one off the shadow wagon?

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But if you want me to look back over that I can do that

The tl;dr is
Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.

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Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)

I don't fully understand this

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Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.

Why could they not have killed because Clap was clearly town?

that was my argument against it

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glad you had exactly the same reaction as me

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yup yup

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thanks

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I'm warming to a titus vote
I feel like I was in a game she replaced into as red and played similarly to how she is now

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wait, that might've been the game I replaced into
one sec

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So I replaced in here and the red team were fully in control of the game
I thought titus felt similar to when she replaced into this game which could point to being red and fully content with the gamestate of 4 town arguing with each other

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Bloop

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I'd have to check what Gamma said to answer that but I'm going to sleep now so might do it tomorrow

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I might be a little impatient

There are 3 of us, we could vote out Titus now...

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Bloop

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The most well know of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

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Rock paper scissors?

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Scissors
Your move

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Works every time

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Jackson I've joined you in 24
You were right there's a lot of fire

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Dope, I'm happy to vote kyo then

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Dope, I'm happy to vote kyo then

Should I vote first given the suspicion we're together?

We should wait till kyo gets back

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Not Elements for "PR-hunting" and not committing to actually claiming?

His PR hunt was at the start of today...and we should massclaim today but I figured y'all were doing VTs by implication.

If he did yesterday, I wasn't really with it.

pronouns

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Sorry elements.

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Yo can you unvote before 2 scum come online at once?

I've been online this whole time

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Beat me to the bloop

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Why are you towning me again JV?

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I'm not particularly seeing you as town here Drew, still somewhat based on Gamma.
Can you point me to anything this game you think is outside your scumrange or more likely to come from town!you?

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So as a very basic, surface level example that is in no way meant to be a 'got ya', yesterday when you started attacking JV was more town you and today reconsidering things is more scum you?

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Bloop

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I'm gonna sleep on thinks

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JV could you link me a red game of yours that you won?

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I'm also here if either of you wanted quick response discussion

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got any town game where you were alive final day?

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Ew, that game

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Ew, that game

Ya sorry lol, I knew one of those was when you got mis limmed

less about the mislim, more about keylaga

[Elements]

Looking through isos
Kyo doesn't seem aligned with Cook
Gamma doesn't seem aligned with Kyo
So that's fun

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Work

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I've skimmed through the games you both sent me and a couple of others. Though not in depth or anything, I can't do that my attention span wont allow it. Some things I noticed that are probably important:
Drew's self meta holds up wrt his being more aggressive as town so all that really says is he's aware and probably able to manipulate it.
Reading through Jackson's games he felt a lot more confident from the end of yesterday to the beginning of today. E
What I'm wary of is that Jackson knew I town read him over Drew, so was confident going into this final three.

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Ugh mobile posting when I had more to write

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And an eronious e

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I'm going to re read all the relevant isos when I get home but right now the paranoia and general vibes I got from the other games has put me to thinking JV is the final red
And I still think Cook was scum

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I don't mean to rush you unnecessarily but when can I roughly expect you to have time to sink into this game?

Hopefully that's some stuff for you to unpack while I'm at work

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I'm glad you're leaning back on me more as the final wolf ngl, cuz I would expect scum!you to just go Drew here for consistency

This is interesting because I don't feel like you or drew are really considering me as the final red, the game very much feels like it's waiting for me to make my mind up

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I'll get to your other points later

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I'm just going to assume what you meant in that post because I am going to bed soon

Cool cool, I won't vote before you wake up
Hopefully we can have an all 3 of us here for the final vote

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Reading through Jackson's games he felt a lot more confident from the end of yesterday to the beginning of today. E

What do you mean by this? By that I mean what conclusion are you getting from it

If you're talking about me being less confident now than I was yesterday, that isn't the case at all. When you reach limlo, you should reconsider every single thing you can. So even when I do believe Drew to be wolf (I never shy'd away from stating this fact), I admit I can be wrong so I play accordingly. I don't wanna fuck up limlo just because I felt I was right and was overconfident

Ah I see the misunderstanding, I meant you feel more confident during the end of yesterday and start of today than you did in some of your other games

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Ah I see the misunderstanding, I meant you feel more confident during the end of yesterday and start of today than you did in some of your other games

I mean, this game is different than those games. I had a PoE of three, one was an uncc'd PR so naturally I'm confident in my solve. The read on you in particular was a study one, and the most confident one I had that you kept doing things to cement so of course I was confident yesterday/start of today.

Yea it is a different game which I'm very much keeping in mind

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What game are you referring to?

Yeah, none of them
I wanted to see how you'd react if I flip flopped my reads and said I thought you were red

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

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It is done

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I'm aware, but you both were waiting for me to vote
and not that is done

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at least I was right

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unless you're being smug, which I doubt

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Just want to put this out there quickly because I enjoed it

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've skimmed through the games you both sent me and a couple of others.

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hough not in depth or anything, I can't do that my attention span wont allow it.

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ome things I noticed that are probably important:

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rew's self meta holds up wrt his being more aggressive as town so all that really says is he's aware and probably able to manipulate it.

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eading through Jackson's games he felt a lot more confident from the end of yesterday to the beginning of today.

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hat I'm wary of is that Jackson knew I town read him over Drew, so was confident going into this final three.

I did this thing

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How do you feel about a scum!elements world in actuality

I still lean on Gob for their analysis on Kyo/elements.

It makes sense imo, but I still hate how you have been as of late........elements said they were just reaction testing you, but you have seemed to comfortable thinking you are clearly town over me.

I just can't shake that read on you

This post feels contradictory with

Like you say that you lean me scum over elements, suggesting compared to my read at that same point you said it, you read was a lot closer than mine was but from what you're actually acting it feels like you're pretty locked onto me.

Which is perfectly fine, you're allowed to lock onto me it just feels inconsistent.

I am inconsistent

I still lean scum on you over elements, but I also am not confident in it

and the lack of confidence makes me think Drew has no reason to scum either of us and it's hard to come up with reasoning to do so because we're both town. It feels like he's playing up the "unsure townie" side.

You both were also clearly waiting for me so I thought i'd make a desicion given it's my birthday and I'm not going to be paricularly active this weekend

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It was planned all along!

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I just couldn't think of a scentance to start with e

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that was a fun game thanks Alianna!
the red pt was also a fun read

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Also sorry Gamma, I was hoping I could pull out this win for you.

For a minute Elements let us think you were gonna, but the ITS DREW 'crumb' was a hilarious way of breaking that illusion

I both hate and love elements haha

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