There are times when it's in town's best interest to choose to abandon the majority vote - even abandon voting according to their own reads - in the interest of increasing the chances of them getting scum lims through.
In the above thread I discuss this in terms of when town is in a losing situation, but I think it also applies generally and would probably help here
The basic theory is that:
decisions made by 100% town (or higher-probability town) are more likely to be accurate than decisions made by a group of players that is not 100% town (or lower-probability town).
Applied to this situation: most of us seem to agree that DragonEater is just town; furthermore, I think DragonEater's actual decision-making on this decision is sufficiently unpredictable that taking this course of action isn't obviously biased in any particular direction. What I propose is that we delegate the coalition decision to specifically DragonEater, and sheep it disregarding personal reads. The idea being that DragonEater is more likely to hit 5-town on his own than through the influence of the rest of us in this gamestate.
Oh I was on the phone (like a phone call not phoneposting) and you already got there while I was talking.
Not locking in anything at all is worse than letting one person decide the coalition - if it comes down to deadline I'm fine with sheeping whatever Dragon puts down.
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theoretically I think Klick's point stands just because scum are going to not want to lim themselves obviously so like, of course you're more likely to hit scum by letting town take the reigns.
Here though we don't lose if we get it wrong, only scum stands to lose if they get it "wrong" by not getting themself or their buddy in, so in the end it doesn't matter all that much what we lock in as long as something gets locked in
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"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
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I think that's the towniest post you've posted so far haha
That feels like a very town mindset to have about it
I disagree that it doesn't matter much but I understand what you mean by it
There are times when it's in town's best interest to choose to abandon the majority vote - even abandon voting according to their own reads - in the interest of increasing the chances of them getting scum lims through.
In the above thread I discuss this in terms of when town is in a losing situation, but I think it also applies generally and would probably help here
The basic theory is that:
decisions made by 100% town (or higher-probability town) are more likely to be accurate than decisions made by a group of players that is not 100% town (or lower-probability town).
Applied to this situation: most of us seem to agree that DragonEater is just town; furthermore, I think DragonEater's actual decision-making on this decision is sufficiently unpredictable that taking this course of action isn't obviously biased in any particular direction. What I propose is that we delegate the coalition decision to specifically DragonEater, and sheep it disregarding personal reads. The idea being that DragonEater is more likely to hit 5-town on his own than through the influence of the rest of us in this gamestate.
Hey I remember reading this article and thinking it was pretty cool
Can you like let me know in the next 20 minutes if we're sheeping me or not? Because if not I'm just gonna go to sleep and count on somebody else to hammer as needed.
See the problem is everyone except implo and T3 is really towny
And I am kinda refusing to believe the game is just this easy, though maybe it really is this easy.
It's funny Klick that I feel if Bella was in your slot I would have had so much easier time being confident in my town read of your slot. I mean it's funny because I was thinking about her without making the connection in my mind.
Was it klick/dragoneater that pinged you as a potential distance as well, or more of a general fear?
Distancing? DragonEater ended our earlier exchange with a townread on me, and my stated read on DragonEater is ambiguous atm. I don't see how you come out of it thinking it looks like distancing.
Part of the reason I'm happy with relinquishing responsibility here is because I also feel a little weird about just declaring it {implo, T3, Kyouko} and think that could just mean I'm wrong somewhere
Was it klick/dragoneater that pinged you as a potential distance as well, or more of a general fear?
Distancing? DragonEater ended our earlier exchange with a townread on me, and my stated read on DragonEater is ambiguous atm. I don't see how you come out of it thinking it looks like distancing.
Why did you make this post Klick
Wow I sound like Dannflor. At least I think I do.
Because I was confused at how DV could have interpreted our interaction as distancing
It didn't match how I saw the situation and I thought DV could have been projecting his interpretation there as scum to try and undermine you/me when we were otherwise being pretty towny all around
Kyouko
Elements
Ydrasse
T3
Klick
Appearance
Dragon
Implosion
Scum
^this is a rough indication of my reads right now
I want to understand what your thoughts are about Dragon atm.
See this is a classically town!Klick post, but also I could see it as partnered with DV
In post 148, Klick wrote:
HEAL: Klick HEAL: Ydrasse HEAL: DeasVail HEAL: DragonEater70
@ the three of you: I'm less interested in discussing everyone else, and more interested in discussing why this group is pure. We can work out an ideal fifth shortly, but I want to iron out confidence in this as a group first. I feel not certain, but fairly confident that this group is pure, and I think discussing the details of that is the best use of our thread space.
(but not right now because I'm getting ready for work)
But this Klick doing his own thing rather than trying to appeal to his town reads, which is towny.
In post 26, Appearance wrote:
btw, i just realised my browser messes up the font that prism uses for the vcs
Just checking: Is the latest VC readable for everyone?
Most mobile browsers render a different font than the one I use, which is fine by me, but if the VC is mangled or difficult to parse, let me know and I'll switch it up.
It’s been fine for me!
Also miscellaneous thoughts:
Klick moved up in my reads a bit because of him saying that he’d been ambiguous about his read on Dragon, at a time when I think he had only really expressed a scumread there. I think this is more likely from town because scum are more likely to be hyper-aware of the “positions” they are taking on people while town are more likely to believe that because they
felt
ambiguous about someone it would come across in their posts.
On implosion, there are specific ways in which I feel he has tried to look town, but I want to give implosion a chance to be able to properly engage with the game (and also see whether the things concerning me continue) before going all in on that.
When I go through my townreads (which I have too many of, I know), the one that least holds up to scrutiny at the moment is T3. I was doubting Appearance for a while but looking back I feel like the backtracking by saying that maybe Klick/Dragon didn’t look like distancing was more likely consistent with townie lack of confidence. Still not sure though, because the T3 read in particular doesn’t feel proactive, as if they’re taking the fact that T3 will be in the coalition as a given and not questioning it, but again… could be town struggling with confidence in their reads.
