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Post Post #2150 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:22 pm

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In post 2135, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2132, ActionDan wrote: Maestro claimed in FG that he was 1-shot neighborizer to a non-FG member.
Who did they target?
I assume nobody since in their theatrics today they said they'd make a PT with me if I changed my vote.
thomith could be a court jester

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Post Post #2151 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:31 pm

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In post 2148, Flavor Leaf wrote: Alright, Dan.

I’m gonna be real with you

You hear that Maestro and Cakez both didn’t submit an action, you see NK15’s role, you see the names all being posted for all of you

How do you Occam’s Razor that all town are in there + go out to defend them that hard
I have always included the possibility of one original traitor in FG even though I absolutely thought it was more likely all of us were town. On that I have been proven wrong. Currently I still believe maestro will flip traitor and that's the last of scum in FG. I believe I said earlier that in an extreme circumstance I would compromise on maestro. And that's not because he didn't action but because his role was out of sync with the rest of us.

I explained Nk15's role (away) by saying traitors probably get to talk with each other. I still think that's the case.

Let me counter by asking you what you make of Drew's role if their were group scum in FG. He targets FG members only and blocks non FG members only. That doesn't make sense if group scum exists in FG
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #2152 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:31 pm

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Okay, welp.

I think i have more questions than answers from all that
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Post Post #2153 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:35 pm

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trying to parse maestros recent posts has my brain dying even more then it already was

i am not sure if maestro legitimately thought they were self hammering or if that was an orchestrated attempt to distract from the leading wagon

however
if thomith is true claiming then scum do not get to recruit tonight anyways so we can
risk flipping a traitor instead of group scum in this case i think

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Post Post #2154 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:38 pm

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besides if maestro flips traitor then we know who they were trying to protect here

with perhaps a slight chance of it being aureal but most of the pressure was on dan here so lets be real
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Post Post #2155 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:41 pm

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I think yeah, just go Maestro.

VOTE: Maestro

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Post Post #2156 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:48 pm

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Wow I hate pick-your-poison gambits
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Post Post #2157 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:49 pm

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Should we just stay with Dan or go Maestro?

Like Maestro is intentionally taking the fall here, and i feel that’s super obvious.
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Post Post #2158 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:49 pm

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I also have been thinking Dan/Theta is possible.

They end up on the same wagon here?
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Post Post #2159 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:50 pm

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VOTE: Dan

I’m gonna sit here for a minute. I’ll be here before deadline if i need to change.

I think Dan is the head.
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Post Post #2160 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:52 pm

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As I said before I really don't mind eating this delicious crow together.
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #2161 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:52 pm

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In post 2151, ActionDan wrote:
In post 2148, Flavor Leaf wrote: Alright, Dan.

I’m gonna be real with you

You hear that Maestro and Cakez both didn’t submit an action, you see NK15’s role, you see the names all being posted for all of you

How do you Occam’s Razor that all town are in there + go out to defend them that hard
I have always included the possibility of one original traitor in FG even though I absolutely thought it was more likely all of us were town. On that I have been proven wrong. Currently I still believe maestro will flip traitor and that's the last of scum in FG. I believe I said earlier that in an extreme circumstance I would compromise on maestro. And that's not because he didn't action but because his role was out of sync with the rest of us.

I explained Nk15's role (away) by saying traitors probably get to talk with each other. I still think that's the case.

Let me counter by asking you what you make of Drew's role if their were group scum in FG. He targets FG members only and blocks non FG members only. That doesn't make sense if group scum exists in FG
I don’t really like the way your role and his role works together if they’re town/town, though.

Drew is just a stronger version of your role. I guess in situations it could be weaker, because roles like Hu Tao would be blocked.
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Post Post #2162 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:56 pm

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i will be honest this has me considering dan might be scum a lot more then anything else that has happened so far

but i feel like there is a chance maestro is group scum that just

thought they were at e-1 and tried to self hammer for
some reason

actually this is sounding less believable to me now that i type it out hmm
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Post Post #2163 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:58 pm

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There are like 5 plus info roles you can't imagine a straight up doc? I also claimed this role if not completely outright 1st.

And Drew's role is not stronger. Arguably the the conversion is the main thing and imo it's more valuable to not block town roles (again presumably 5 info roles) than whatever non converting scum power there is.
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Post Post #2164 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:59 pm

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I don’t believe Maestro thought they were hammering
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Post Post #2165 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:01 am

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Yes either maestro was protecting me or appearing to give the illusion of that.
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Post Post #2166 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:05 am

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In post 2165, ActionDan wrote: Yes either maestro was protecting me or appearing to give the illusion of that.
Why would they protect you if you're town and they are scum?
thomith could be a court jester

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Post Post #2167 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:10 am

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i mean dan is the leading wagon and if not having the momentum at the time would have probably been the elim once deadline started ticking closer

so i am not sure there is any motivation there to try and give the illusion of protecting dan when dan probably ends up being eliminated anyways without what maestro pulled
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Post Post #2168 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:10 am

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I mention that case to say those are the two choices wether I'm town or scum. No other theory works assuming maestro is playing for advantage. (I still think he wanted to have fun mostly)
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Post Post #2169 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:12 am

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i

do not have the brain power right now to factor in if maestro is not playing for advantage
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Post Post #2170 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:13 am

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Also @FL do you think as the "head" of the snake maestro would tie himself to me so obviously, that I would expose myself so blatantly with pointing to rat, or continuing to defend maestro and cakez so earnestly?
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Post Post #2171 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:15 am

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I got no sleep. This is what mafia does
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Post Post #2172 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:17 am

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Maestro is too cocky for this to not be a gambit
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Post Post #2173 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:26 am

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I love you Roden
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Post Post #2174 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:27 am

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well

fine then

VOTE: actiondan

i can sympathize with not getting sleep though
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