I feel like your logic is usually a lot more sound than it has been this game, Dan. And like while you explain everything very well, there’s a lot of leaps and assumptions you’ve been willing to make this game, and with how Maestro acted towards you, it’s just felt weird.
But i might have to look and see if anyone signaled to Maestro that a potential Dan was also converted.
I'm not really sure where to go from here. I still think Hu Tao is the N1 convert but not worth a fade. I think there's got to be scum in the investigative roles but I'm mellow / town on all of them currently and anyone who doesn't fit into this I have town reads on (and Bianco doesn't make sense as a fade right now because of Aureal claiming she does nothing every night).
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I feel like your logic is usually a lot more sound than it has been this game, Dan
Logically I have always said FG group, if there was scum in it, is limited to original traitor. I believe this assumption is being borne out and I will be correct in the end. Do you not think the focus on FG remains artificial? It feels that way to me.
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:25 pm
I feel like your logic is usually a lot more sound than it has been this game, Dan
Logically I have always said FG group, if there was scum in it, is limited to original traitor. I believe this assumption is being borne out and I will be correct in the end. Do you not think the focus on FG remains artificial? It feels that way to me.
I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.
Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?
I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.
If I had to say anyone I would say you. For someone who perennially does not seem to have a particularly good grasp of the happenings of this game, you rather seamlessly are transitioning to being quite ok with my fade.
The only other anomaly I am concerned about from a role perspective is that both Theta and Aureal have are followers; role overlap even with a lot of other conditions and differences tied or added on is unusual.
If I were scum this game, Dan, Drew, Gamma, Titus would have been my top priorities to convert, and the fact Dan and Drew’s names were open, I just feel like it makes sense to hit scum that way.
Cakez was already under fire early, so i don’t think they’re as likely a convert, but them being on the list is something. I’m not like fully 100% trusting Titus isn’t scum here, but that’s a weird claim to make in the game early like that.
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I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.
Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?
I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.
I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.
In post 2360, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.
Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?
I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.
I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.
Fwiw, I protected Cakez last night
I assumed I couldn't self target(though I suppose I should've asked the mod about that)
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
Yes. Doesn’t that make it likely one of you two were converted Night 2?
Well playwise D3 I don't think Drew was converted. And well I know I wasn't. But I think it's a fair assumption to think Scum used their unstoppable night two on me or Drew from an outside perspective. Or maybe Cakez. But I know the former didn't happen. And if the latter did it's not worth fading anyway.
i imagine scum would be very careful claiming their actions if they have an unstoppable as that implies a good bit of rolestopping power to them
hmm
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 2360, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.
Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?
I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.
I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.
Fwiw, I protected Cakez last night
I assumed I couldn't self target(though I suppose I should've asked the mod about that)
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 2360, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’m semi okay with that, but feels like on a setup level it was meant for scum to be able to convert and know who they were converting, which is powerful.
Why wouldn’t scum convert you or Drew this game if Marstro was able to tell them your name and roles?
I’m fine with the idea you want to hunt for group scum, but i don’t believe the FG is clear.
I agree! I think me / Drew on N2 were good conversion targets. Cakez would be too (if Titus town). However, I protected Cakez N2; Drew protected me N2; Drew doesn't claim he did that D3 if he were converted. Could scum use their unstoppable conversion n2? Maybe, but its still just a convert, not group scum. So again not worth the focus. It would behoove us to search for scum in the non-FG population.
Fwiw, I protected Cakez last night
I assumed I couldn't self target(though I suppose I should've asked the mod about that)
Oh nvm, I misread your post
Ya maybe I should have
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
But literally was you or Cakez, and my feelings on you are quite public knowledge
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
