Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Flavor Leaf]

No that was ostensibly an argument for Theta being town

You have a weird dynamic with Theta.

Seeing it that way makes a lot more sense now, though. I was confused at the logic behind it

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not arguing any of that. Provoking you was added because giving a reason to townread Theta would feed into your consistent postings of tying me and Theta together

I posted that before seeing your last.

[Titus]

i have a coffee and it is drunk

so i could in fact watch two people tonight

Let me ask if I visit for purposes of watchers

[Flavor Leaf]

Theta should probably target Roden and Hu Tao since their names are out.

[Titus]

Can I just get a full list of outed names? I'll admit I haven't been watching as well as I should have.

[Theta Alpine]

i think i should probably have my shots gated within a small list but i should choose the people in that list myself

as long as both groupscum are in that list then they have to then figure out which of them i would pick to watch or not recruit in case i just watch both of them at once

since i now realize that hunting groupscum directly would probably be the best way to use my action

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like protecting the outed names from conversions does that

[ActionDan]

Wait one sec. Maybe we should talk about this further until everyone is on board.

Hu Tao is clearly clearly converted if not group scum.

That would be by far the most wasteful observe/follow target

Very very happy to go over arguments for this

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like it’s only a matter of time before I get converted actually, so maybe target me. Can you target directly or do you need name?

That being said, if I get converted, even outed and converted, that’s directly a way to get me out of the game for scum, so maybe don’t do that

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait one sec. Maybe we should talk about this further until everyone is on board.

Hu Tao is clearly clearly converted if not group scum.

That would be by far the most wasteful observe/follow target

Very very happy to go over arguments for this

Why are they confirmed converted?

[ActionDan]

The follow part of the role is the important one.

Use both like you're trying to cop group scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot about the follower side

[Titus]

Real Name	Flipped or Announced Identity
Arden	Maestro
Blair	Cakez
Cameron
Dakota	Drew
Emerson	DeasVail
Finley
Garnet	Dan
Harlow
Ira	Not Known 15
Juniper
Kiernan
Lennox
Merritt	Radical Rat
Nova
Oakley

Where are Hu Tao and Roden?

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao is Finley, and Roden is the L one

But nobody else should claim names

[ActionDan]

Wait one sec. Maybe we should talk about this further until everyone is on board.

Hu Tao is clearly clearly converted if not group scum.

That would be by far the most wasteful observe/follow target

Very very happy to go over arguments for this

Why are they confirmed converted?

Thanks for asking!

Two reasons, one via play, one via role.

Role reason: Hu Tao has claimed to have lost the ability to cop D2. No one has claimed to have targeted them N1. And roden's self watch isn't a targeted ability and even if it was.. it would target roden. So scum targeted Hu N1. Now Gamma had claimed ascetic so why would scum target that with an ability? Thus they must have specifically used an action that targeted via real names not knowing who was who's. Thus conversion action.

Caveat: some dumb flavor consideration about being caught via the stream but I am doubtful.

Play reason: Gamma's D2 just does not make any sense if they have a town result on Roden and they were vanilla. No crumbs, nothing. Iso Gamma if you want to see for yourself and ask if it makes sense. It does not.

Plus has Hu felt like they are playing like town ever or right now? No

[Titus]

Real Name	Flipped or Announced Identity	Listed in my Feeback
Arden	Maestro
Blair	Cakez	named d2, d3
Cameron
Dakota	Drew	Named d3
Emerson	DeasVail	named d2
Finley	Hu Tao
Garnet	Dan
Harlow
Ira	Not Known 15
Juniper
Kiernan
Lennox	Roden
Merritt	Radical Rat
Nova		Named D2, D3
Oakley

[Titus]

@Flavor, I am debating whether it's a good idea to ask Nova to out/out as Nova. If Cakez flips group scum, we know by extension Nova cannot be group scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it’s necessary.

It’s not like they can get out of claiming their name, and would rather have scum have to convert not knowing if they choose to convert Nova.

But yes, Cakez and Nova cannot be Group scum together.

Drew and Cakez cannot be group scum together

Nova and Drew cannot be group scum together.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe tomorrow if we can get some more names

[Theta Alpine]

well

i think cakez and dan should probably be in the list of people i could target tonight if we do not vote in them
i am not sure who else might be group scum though is the issue

i kinda doubt it is titus myself at this point
aureal uh
it might be aureal hmm
i can toss her onto the list of potential visits for me tonight

[Roden]

I went from hard town reading Dan to hard scum reading Dan to soft town reading Dan

His behavior in the final few hours of Day 3 and effort in the dance party PT did a lot to sway me

What specifically about them

His posts in the final few hours are NAI, but in the moment it felt convincingly like frustrated told-you-so town to me. And his effort in the dance party PT felt town-motivated to me, like he got a second lease on life and put in work to benefit town. I genuinely feel like we're in a better spot due to how well he organized everyone's roles and actions; I know it definitely helped me.

None of this is hard evidence of course but it's how I feel about it.

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

[Theta Alpine]

i mean traitors dying does not impede cults victory that much as long as it does not bring group scum down with the traitor

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.