Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Tbone

[Ranger]

I hate that Ranger dropped this bomb and then vanished

I both had work and erroneously believed deadline was further away.

I did what I did because I figured there was no harm. I correctly deduced whoever the masons were, they weren’t going to claim or even spew themselves mason from my post. (I believe scum killed Dannflor for a combination of being town and preexisting hints, not from his disbelief.)

I also figured, yet to be shown if correctly so, we'd get good information and results regardless of the outcome.
Python Mason mislimmed gets me the N1 nightkill.
Python VT mislim gives a lot.
Python scum lim potentially spews partners.

Python Mason saved gives us a chance at scum and me getting N1'd.
Python VT saved gives us a chance at scum and guarantees a VT N1'd.
Python scum saved lasts only temporarily. It'd cost us a D1 scum elimination yet provide potentially game-ending information for Python's team.

I saw no downside to stating my sincere belief in Python being a Mason.

[Ranger]

I'll read today and review yesterday when not mobile as much.

[Save The Dragons]

ill look at light when i have time

[Save The Dragons]

I did what I did because I figured there was no harm.

mhm

I correctly deduced whoever the masons were, they weren’t going to claim or even spew themselves mason from my post. (I believe scum killed Dannflor for a combination of being town and preexisting hints, not from his disbelief.)

this reeks

[Save The Dragons]

also please i know it's hard on the internet i do it too but python is they/them

[Ranger]

They dipped immediately as Dann called out ranger for lying

It'll get even better when I can show why I believe Naerys is scum with usesPython.

Although your slot is up there with Light_ganski as a possible third.

[gob]

also please i know it's hard on the internet i do it too but python is they/them

you talkinh to me?

[Black]

VOTE: Tbone

I wouldn't mind a T-Bone fade but what are your thoughts on Jackson?

[Naerys]

It'll get even better when I can show why I believe Naerys is scum with usesPython.

if you are town, think again
if you are scum, just stfu

[Ranger]

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey, Black, Save The Dragons

if Python is scum i think this whole wagon is town tbh
JV and Ranger are the towniest off wagon
so lim in [light_ganski, davesaz, drew, tbone] probably in that order
then if the game doesn't end lim Ranger for the mason claim

I agree partially with Dannflor, yet also disagree.

Scum had the perfect opportunity to use my "Python is a mason" claim to force another wagon through. It would’ve been short-sighted of them, yet the opportunity was there.

They didn’t take it. They didn’t even try. As Dannflor himself noted, Python was online and around, yet said nothing. I gifted scum a free get-Python-out-of-elimination card; they didn’t use it.

Since they didn’t try to save Python, it implies they accepted Python was dead regardless.

Although it’s certainly possible both scum were off, I believe Naerys was looking for the potential to hop off, and Python urged Naerys to stay.

My pool is {Naerys, JacksonVirgo, light_ganski, Doctor Drew}, because davesaz I believe demonstrated a town mindset and I still believe T-Bone was town. In particular, if T-Bone were scum, I don’t think the usesPython wagon goes through. T-Bone reached L-2 yesterday, and was more expendable than Python. He had more suspicion than Python and the momentum was there. If he were scum, I'd expect for scum to favor eliminating him over Python, because T-Bone wasn’t as power wolf as Python.

Yet Python went through, without T-Bone there to support, which would put him squarely in the crossfire.

In the same way I feel Dannflor's take on T-Bone yesterday was surface level, I believe his analysis of the wagon on scum being all town was, too.

[Ranger]

no okay if im wrong i still think this is largely a town driven wagon
but I'd scrutinize naerys pretty closely and I'd reevaluate on black probably
still think light_ganski is scummy either way

This I agree with 100%.

The reason why I had Python and Naerys as my top tier townreads yesterday was I saw their early interactions on the first pages as mason distancing. I thought Ausuka was the third Mason similarly so.

Having thought I identified the masons, when I saw Dannflor with a few others doing identically to Python and Naerys, I thought he was scum, because I already had found the masons.

Now I think I got it exactly backwards. I'll have the receipts later.

[T-Bone]

I'd never let myself get limmed day 1 as scum but otherwise I don't have an issue with the analysis.

[T-Bone]

I probably could have stopped the Python wagon too. But that is a fantasy world sadly.

[T-Bone]

no okay if im wrong i still think this is largely a town driven wagon
but I'd scrutinize naerys pretty closely and I'd reevaluate on black probably
still think light_ganski is scummy either way

This I agree with 100%.

The reason why I had Python and Naerys as my top tier townreads yesterday was I saw their early interactions on the first pages as mason distancing. I thought Ausuka was the third Mason similarly so.

Having thought I identified the masons, when I saw Dannflor with a few others doing identically to Python and Naerys, I thought he was scum, because I already had found the masons.

Now I think I got it exactly backwards. I'll have the receipts later.

I think I know who Dann's partners might be but I'm not sure whether that is worth speculating out in the open.

[T-Bone]

Either way I think I want to focus efforts on Dann's solve since we have the lead anyway. That's Light, Dave, Drew, and myself.

[Black]

In particular, if T-Bone were scum, I don’t think the usesPython wagon goes through. T-Bone reached L-2 yesterday, and was more expendable than Python. He had more suspicion than Python and the momentum was there. If he were scum, I'd expect for scum to favor eliminating him over Python, because T-Bone wasn’t as power wolf as Python.

I don't really think this is a good reason to clear T-Bone. I feel like python had more consistent suspicion on them throughout the day so I'm not really understanding the "expendable" thing. I could be misremembering but the T-Bone wagon felt more like a spur of the moment thing whereas there were like 4-5 people that hard scumread python pretty much the entirety of D1. There's also the possibility of T-Bone being a scum PR if they have one. It would make sense for scum to pivot to a goon in that scenario

[T-Bone]

Black... this set up is open.

[T-Bone]

That looks like a fake as hell attempt at a town slip I'm not gonna lie.

[Black]

I'd never let myself get limmed day 1 as scum but otherwise I don't have an issue with the analysis.

What is the point of saying this

[Black]

Black... this set up is open.

That looks like a fake as hell attempt at a town slip I'm not gonna lie.

Oh oops. It wasn't fake, I'm just an idiot

[T-Bone]

I'm mobile so sorry for the successive posting. I'd put my reads as

The Dann tier (Light, Dave, Drew)
The Bone tier (JV, Black, Gob/Naerys)
The should be scum tier but probably isn't (STD, maybe also Naerys)
Everyone else (Ranger, HEM)

[T-Bone]

I'd never let myself get limmed day 1 as scum but otherwise I don't have an issue with the analysis.

What is the point of saying this

I love talking up my scum game. But also I think it's a useful tool for me to get through to the meta based players.

[gob]

I'm mobile so sorry for the successive posting. I'd put my reads as

The Dann tier (Light, Dave, Drew)
The Bone tier (JV, Black, Gob/Naerys)
The should be scum tier but probably isn't (STD, maybe also Naerys)
Everyone else (Ranger, HEM)

wtf these tiers mean

[Black]

I'd never let myself get limmed day 1 as scum but otherwise I don't have an issue with the analysis.

What is the point of saying this

I love talking up my scum game. But also I think it's a useful tool for me to get through to the meta based players.

It feels like you're using it as a way to argue that you're town but you didn't get faded D1 so I don't understand your point