In post 1624, Save The Dragons wrote:
That by itself is ok but when shadow comes back to the thread they are incredulous about the wagon forming on them, when they had done very little up to that point.
I feel like shaddow would just complain about being wagoned in the PT. I don't think it makes much sense for him to do that publicly as scum. It's bad optics
In post 1626, Save The Dragons wrote:
Because if it was truly NAI then you wouldn't be able to say "he's scum because he plays anti town!"
And if that's not the argument you've been trying to make, please clarify
My initial vote on you was because I thought the main talkers were all town, and I was worried that you were lurking scum. I'll admit my read wasn't strong initially but then after you OMGUS voted me and pushed me based on really bad reasons I felt more confident that you flip scum. I think if your read on me had been more believable then your push might have had the opposite effect on me, but it wasn't, so it just felt like a complete discredit attempt built on a fake read
You have yet to explain why scum!me would hop off of a guaranteed mislim to push you when there aren't even enough people that scumread you to fade you. Your read would make sense if you thought I was scum with sky, but you think she's town, so there's really no logic in your read whatsoever
Even if it were, there's nothing stopping you from trying something else and going after sky later. Hell, you still express suspicion of her, so it wouldn't be too weird if you went back to her later.
Just because you see it as a bad play does not make it bad play or a play that wouldn't be done. You could have coordinated this with a partner (Argo) to try and put pressure on me to see what would happen.
Is it likely? Don't know. We can come to a place where it doesn't seem likely scum would do that.
Acting like its impossible is incorrect, however. Scum do all kinds of things all the time. I have presented a path where you are scum. Is it the correct path? I don't know.
You aren't thinking about it from my perspective at all. I don't know your alignment, and I was under pressure from external forces yesterday. I thought you could be scum. I think it's still possible. But I don't know for sure.
Sure, I could be tunneled. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last
In post 1635, Save The Dragons wrote:
There was no guarantee someone else would hammer or someone else wouldn't jump off. You taking initiative as scum you to look town is plausible.
If you are actually town here then you probably won't believe what I'm about to say, but I switched to sky and didn't rally anyone to fade her. I didn't case her and I didn't try to get people to hammer her. If I'm scum I would have done that before ever trying to build up another wagon. I would have asked you to hammer since you declared intent. When I'm town I have more fluid reads and I talk myself in and out of solves constantly. I don't choose to play this way, it's just the way my brain works. Maybe I need to pay more attention to things or have more confidence in my reads, idk, but whatever I need do to I just can't seem to do it
I think the "trying to look town" is a decent reason and probably a valid thought. Did you consider that yesterday when you voted for me or did you just think of it?
I will admit my mental state yesterday was not the best and I may have been rash
Having more clarity today I think that it is possible you dismantling the sky wagon out of an act to look town while still being able to shade them like you have would be a clever play and allow you to deepwolf until the end.. I don't honestly think it came to me at the time, though. I stand by what I said but I wavered on the strength of it as an argument, which is part of the reason I unvoted.
In post 1641, Save The Dragons wrote:
I will admit my mental state yesterday was not the best and I may have been rash
Having more clarity today I think that it is possible you dismantling the sky wagon out of an act to look town while still being able to shade them like you have would be a clever play and allow you to deepwolf until the end.. I don't honestly think it came to me at the time, though. I stand by what I said but I wavered on the strength of it as an argument, which is part of the reason I unvoted.
I can see this as a real thought, but moving off of sky had the opposite effect. You, lucca, and sky all suspected me for it iirc. Doesn't really seem like a good deepwolf play imo
Mine? Still think he's likely a scumbucket. Faking a Loyal guilty makes a decent amount of sense in a world where he's got a partner who's low activity and likely to get run up next, like our S-crowd. I first thought it'd be silly for him to do it and risk going down in the aftermath rather than have a more vulnerable partner do it; but on the other hand he seems to be townread enough he's getting away with it whereas if like Skygazer had claimed the guilty we'd probably have just yeeted her already.
I particularly hated how he's kept rudely shutting me down when I try to ask him stuff, and then he turned around when Jake asked him the same damn thing and had a longwinded obtuse discussion. And yet I still don't understand why he would target Jacob and go about announcing it like he did if he's town.
If shaddow flips town you all better sheep me on StD tomorrow
I think scum!black leaves the thread here and doesn't engage anymore but town!black continues engaging with me to see if her read has meat on it. Sorry Jake but I'm going to look elsewhere
