Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Jake The Wolfie]

You inspired me! What can I say

[Argonauts]

Jackson, why do you think my reaction to your 'guilty' check was townie? You said it would be if Jacob flipped red, but he didn't, but you're still saying it.

I already explained why, pretty recently at that, the read would be stronger if he flipped red yeah but the feeling still remains

I don't understand how you can think Jacob's reactions to your guilty were bad, but me thinking they were fine (at least at first) is townie.

-Atalanta

[Alianna]

3.15

Votecount 3.15

shaddowez (E-1): Jake The Wolfie, lucca261, JacksonVirgo, Skygazer
Skygazer (E-2): SirCakez, shaddowez, Black
JacksonVirgo (1): Argonauts

Not Voting (1): Save The Dragons

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-05 20:12:42).

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, why do you think my reaction to your 'guilty' check was townie? You said it would be if Jacob flipped red, but he didn't, but you're still saying it.

I already explained why, pretty recently at that, the read would be stronger if he flipped red yeah but the feeling still remains

I don't understand how you can think Jacob's reactions to your guilty were bad, but me thinking they were fine (at least at first) is townie.

-Atalanta

I don't recall specifically saying Jacob's reactions to the guilty as bad but I'm sure I said it, the major part of my scum-read on him were from day 1 and then the guilty itself anything else was just supplementary if you will. Even so, you are comparing vastly different things here and expecting the logic to apply the same to both when it doesn't work like that. The assumptions I'm leaning into with this read are that you are not Jacob and since Jacob was guiltied, your slot would live beyond Jacob's in almost every world.

Given that assumption, I would feel it's incredibly weird for a supposed scum partner to push against and apply resistance against a true guilty result because assuming they go under (and was mafia) people would immediately see that connection and then focus on you. In most worlds, I see even mediocre-skilled wolves (which I believe you to exceed but that's beyond the point) commit to bussing their partner given a guilty from a townie player as I was considered townie by most people at this time. I was thinking Jacob was incredibly likely to flip red here, so my way of thinking was weighted towards that but given they flipped green I applied the same logic backwards. If a town guilties another Town, a scum would usually go with that because that could be an easy 2 for 1 lined up for the taking but you were almost the sole slot actively pushing against the guilty necessarily meaning something for the most part and given that you didn't leak any form of TMI that my eyes can see and it feels pure and that's why I town-read what you did

now

even though I said that logic for if they flipped red

before

[shaddowez]

i don't feel particularly compelled by the shaddow wagon but can go there if i need to

VOTE: shaddow

Where are your scum reads? Enough people have already stated willingness to lim me, this feels like an easy hop.

[Alianna]

lucca261 is being prodded.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I feel good about my vote on Shadez. Unlike some other people, the people on the Shadez wagon have remained mostly resolute.

Unless the non-Shaditez can explain why they keep shifting their votes onto someone,

anyone

other than Shadez, I will leave my vote as is.

[Argonauts]

Sudden urge to hammer

-Atalanta

[Jake The Wolfie]

You should. It would do wonders to disassociate yourself from Shadez should they turn up rosy.

[Argonauts]

Why would hammering town do anything in regards to 'disassociating' with them? They'd be town, obviously there's no associations. And the game might be over tonight and it wouldn't even matter.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

-_-

[JacksonVirgo]

Ain't no way that's a genuine response to that

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why would hammering town do anything in regards to 'disassociating' with them? They'd be town, obviously there's no associations. And the game might be over tonight and it wouldn't even matter.

-Atalanta

Who said anything about hammering town? What brings them being town into this business?

[Argonauts]

You said it.

You should. It would do wonders to disassociate yourself from Shadez

should they turn up rosy

.

I'm trying to decide if you're trying to provoke a hammer or provoke people to spurn the shaddowez wagon. You're clearly trying to provoke

something

.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

I think you're both trying to provoke something

[Argonauts]

Yeah, I'm trying to provoke something that'll give me more clarity into what to do here. Looks like it's between two wagons that are both in my PoE, and I have only slightly different feels on. But they're probably not both scum, unless one is SK, so it probably matters which one we go with.

-Atalanta

[Argonauts]

Frankly I find Jake's shade here to be pretty bad. "Why won't you vote shaddowez omg guys, you're sus!" when shaddowez has been sitting on e-1 for quite a while is pretty lol. Has Jake even asked what we think about shaddowez, or looked into what we've done or said with the slot earlier? Guess not. I'd probably have been voting shaddowez too at some point today if not for the fact that he's been at e-1 when I've felt like moving my vote.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Shadow has only just came back into E-1 unless you mean this general positioning moreso than actually E-1

[JacksonVirgo]

Has Jake even asked what we think about shaddowez, or looked into what we've done or said with the slot earlier?

I don't recall anything like that, no

[Jake The Wolfie]

Frankly I find Jake's shade here to be pretty bad. "Why won't you vote shaddowez omg guys, you're sus!" when shaddowez has been sitting on e-1 for quite a while is pretty lol. Has Jake even asked what we think about shaddowez, or looked into what we've done or said with the slot earlier? Guess not. I'd probably have been voting shaddowez too at some point today if not for the fact that he's been at e-1 when I've felt like moving my vote.

-Atalanta

If you looked at my recent posts and took away that I was complaining that Shadez has failed to die yet, you would have missed that I was implying that the scum were trying to find a resonant counter-wagon to their supposed scumbud Shadez.

To clarify like Drew hath clarified to Jackson:

I find it suspicious and scummy that there's way more movement on non-Shadez wagons than on Shadez, as it's generally a scum tactic to try and save their partners whenever possible.

[JacksonVirgo]

Frankly I find Jake's shade here to be pretty bad. "Why won't you vote shaddowez omg guys, you're sus!" when shaddowez has been sitting on e-1 for quite a while is pretty lol. Has Jake even asked what we think about shaddowez, or looked into what we've done or said with the slot earlier? Guess not. I'd probably have been voting shaddowez too at some point today if not for the fact that he's been at e-1 when I've felt like moving my vote.

-Atalanta

If you looked at my recent posts and took away that I was complaining that Shadez has failed to die yet, you would have missed that I was implying that the scum were trying to find a resonant counter-wagon to their supposed scumbud Shadez.

To clarify like Drew hath clarified to Jackson:

I find it suspicious and scummy that there's way more movement on non-Shadez wagons than on Shadez, as it's generally a scum tactic to try and save their partners whenever possible.

Assuming shadow flips red, who would be his partner trying to find a counterwagon

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think the two most apparent ones are Black and Argon. They've been following eachother's votes onto different wagons throughout today.

[Argonauts]

I think that pov might be kind of backwards. Townies are probably more likely to change their minds as they react to things and try to solve. Scum will have an agenda they want to push and find it harder to move naturally.

I think I'm gonna go compare the d1 shaddowez wagon with this one- the way his wagon dissolved midway through the day and moved to town was something I've been looking askance at.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum will have an agenda they want to push and find it harder to move naturally.

For the most part I agree with you, but if wolves are trying to find a counterwagon to a mafia they would be more loose and it would be easier to move naturally.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think that pov might be kind of backwards. Townies are probably more likely to change their minds as they react to things and try to solve. Scum will have an agenda they want to push and find it harder to move naturally.

I think I'm gonna go compare the d1 shaddowez wagon with this one- the way his wagon dissolved midway through the day and moved to town was something I've been looking askance at.

-Atalanta

That is a possibility, but I don't think that holds here. The people on Shadez' wagon, as well as some of the smaller wagons around Shadez, have more or less stayed on there.

In order for what you say to ring true here, you would need to explain the general lack of movement coming from a majority of the current players here.