Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ranger is definitely town for that, no matter what JV flips.

[Black]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Since you're giving him hope, let me return the L-1.

Who do you think JV's partner is?

[Save The Dragons]

i'm not voting outside of {Ranger, TBone} today and probably ever

It's your prerogative to vote town.

As opposed to yours that saves scum?

Near as I can tell, not one vote of mine has saved scum. usesPython was eliminated D1 with no vote change of mine involved at all, and my vote nearly placed JacksonVirgo to L-1. By the time I swapped to Enchant again, he was already having momentum shifted onto him over JacksonVirgo. If JV is scum, mine was not the vote which saved them; if JV isn't scum, then my vote couldn't have saved scum regardless as no scum was wagoned.

this is unreal

[Black]

i do think if it is TBone and JV that arguing against each other is probably the play because not doing that could lead to their back-to-back lims while doing that casts some doubt onto the survivor if we lim one of them today. given what the remaining mason has posted, a lim on either of them seems most likely, and possibly inspired theatre.

@dave i haven't really parsed their argument yet but i will take a closer look

Don't you think JV is town? How strong is your read there?

[Ranger]

Worth noting; I know I've effectively ignored STD's push against me.

A great deal of his nonsense would be easy for me to dispel by engaging him.

I've neither the time nor energy to, regrettably.

I realize good would come from it. It would either break him from the tunnel, or show how he is tunneled, and could potentially address concerns about me others have as well. I can't do it rn, it will probably have to be a dedicated day phase for me to.

In the mean time, a scumflip would go a long ways towards showing I'm not the last. If JacksonVirgo flips scum, that I never entertained the notion of T-Bone and dissuaded you from doing so should sufficiently show I'm not paired with them.

[Save The Dragons]

i think JV is town

i'm stating a hypothetical

[Save The Dragons]

the way ranger absolves herself of guilt and justifies her bad behavior is gnarly.

i guess it doesn't make her scum but it's annoying me and may be driving my read of her down

[Ranger]

Who do you think JV's partner is?

Very obviously, Naerys.

Naerys had the most obvious partnered interactions with usesPython ever.

I pointed out how Naerys never truly pushed usesPython. They've been coasting all game on that vote because usesPython flipped scum; if people actually took a look, they'd see there was nothing to Naerys's vote because Naerys's vote was never genuine.

Naerys went out of their way to save JacksonVirgo yesterday, pushing every wagon heavily except JacksonVirgo.

Because people have somehow cleared Naerys without taking a look at Naerys's content, Naerys continues to coast by with the bare minimum.

Can you name one piece of analysis Naerys has done on any slot?

It doesn't exist, because Naerys has given none and you've let her get away with it.

[Save The Dragons]

im not arguing "the scum team is exactly ranger and tbone"

im arguing "i think there's at least 1 scum in {ranger, tbone} here is why individually i think they are scum"

You said a fair amount about T-Bone's early-ish play. Any thoughts on how he approached the last few pages with JV?

i don't really see anything here that piques me one way or another. maybe i'm just being silly but the argument just looks like "look at how reasonable i'm being, look at me having thoughts" when for most of the game T-Bone was like "here's a zinger, okay time to disappear for a day"

[Ranger]

the way ranger absolves herself of guilt and justifies her bad behavior is gnarly.

I'm fully willing to accept guilt which exists. I'm simply not tolerant of guilt which doesn't.

I've acknowledged I made a mistake on D1 by getting the masons and mafia reversed. That led to my reads being exactly backwards, the bottom being masons and the top three being scum. That's my fault.

I've certainly explained my behavior, to be sure; I see none which I would describe as bad.

i guess it doesn't make her scum but it's annoying me and may be driving my read of her down

If you're incapable of reading a playstyle, that is not a fault on my end.

[Ranger]

when for most of the game T-Bone was like "here's a zinger, okay time to disappear for a day"

It'll blow your mind when you realize what Naerys' content this game has been.

'"here's a zinger, time to disappear" is an apt description of her iso.

[Save The Dragons]

when for most of the game T-Bone was like "here's a zinger, okay time to disappear for a day"

It'll blow your mind when you realize what Naerys' content this game has been.

'"here's a zinger, time to disappear" is an apt description of her iso.

If you're incapable of reading a playstyle, that is not a fault on my end.

[Save The Dragons]

im just going to ignore the rest of your garbage from now on probably

[Black]

Because people have somehow cleared Naerys without taking a look at Naerys's content, Naerys continues to coast by with the bare minimum.

Can you name one piece of analysis Naerys has done on any slot?

It doesn't exist, because Naerys has given none and you've let her get away with it.

I don't think Naerys is clear, I just think she's probably town. As far as her not giving analysis or not really doing anything at all... she does that very frequently as town. I've played with her a lot recently and I don't find this behavior scum indicative for her

[Black]

when for most of the game T-Bone was like "here's a zinger, okay time to disappear for a day"

It'll blow your mind when you realize what Naerys' content this game has been.

'"here's a zinger, time to disappear" is an apt description of her iso.

Have you played with Naerys before?

[davesaz]

Naerys taking potshots at me has felt weird, and she would be in my POE.

[T-Bone]

VC 1.21

Votecount 1.21

usesPython (7):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey, Black, Save The Dragons, davesaz

[HAMMER]

Black (2):

usesPython,

Ranger

Dannflor (2):

Doctor Drew, light_ganski

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

light_ganski (1):

JacksonVirgo

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an elimination.

Mod notes:

• Fun fact: Alianna did more VCs than me this day phase which means she won and I lost
  
• Fun fact 2: I've recently modded a game where the flavor was (fake) facts and now I'm addicted to posting random facts as this VC plainly showcases.
  
• Actually important note:
  you all should PM me and Alianna a fast night request and then I could probably process the night phase before midnight in American time (specifically the time zone that's one hour later than EST). Wouldn't that be cool?
  
• Combined mod ISO

VC 2.09

Votecount 2.09

Enchant (6):

T-Bone

, Save The Dragons, Naerys, Black,

Ranger

, JacksonVirgo

[HAMMER]

JacksonVirgo (1):

humaneatingmonkey

Naerys (1):

Enchant

Ranger (1):

Doctor Drew

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, gob

With 11 players alive, it took 6 votes to secure an elimination.

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

Three people voted Enchant and didn't vote python: T-Bone, Ranger, and JV.

Of these three, I tr JV. I think JV has been hunting and going after who they think is scum.

As far as Ranger goes, I find it incredulous that they actually believe 1467. It is a wild post. Is it possible that I'm just not seeing it and they actually believe everything they spout in that post? yeah. But I can't sit here in good faith and be like "this isn't fishy" to me, no matter how many times people are like "oh that's just Ranger"

As far as T-Bone goes, this is more of a vibe read based on his body of work this game. T-Bone seems to be in the background, manipulating things with a stead hand instead of going out there and making pushes, he looks like he's trying to avoid attention and he's just popping in whenever it's convenient to do so to say something pithy rather than push for a read he believes in or move the gamestate forward.

I'm mobile so sorry for the successive posting. I'd put my reads as

The Dann tier (Light, Dave, Drew)
The Bone tier (JV, Black, Gob/Naerys)
The should be scum tier but probably isn't (STD, maybe also Naerys)
Everyone else (Ranger, HEM)

For instance, what is this readslist? It doesn't do anything or explain where his head is truly at.

would you settle for enchant

but would you?

What's the point of this

Well, I'm never thrilled to be gaslit in front of my fucking face. But I can cope.

Oh finally real emotion instead of these closed off responses you have been giving lol.

I have been saying quite a bit here I think you are trying for a push on gob.

I have been in the minority saying that gob isn't obvtown, and think he is scummy.

But your push here, and yes it is a push, makes me question what your intentions are here.

Like it seems you saw there was support for a gob lim in that python post, and latched onto it.

This is actually weird. Should we not look at what Python was doing for associations?

this is weird too because does he actually do this or is he just popping in to defend someone to look townie and pocket

I'd love to analyze this a bit. Very interesting.

First you quote that reads list there. But I clarified what it meant in a later post...but don't let that bother your analysis I guess.

Your second quote of mine when I asked if you would settle on Enchant I was taunting you because I thought it was a ridiculous thing for you to ask someone given your positioning. You're only bothered by this now like a week later?

Finally I Drew what I felt was a legitimate question given the way Drew asked it. Did you agree with Drew and disagree with me? What does you quoting this post and saying "this is weird too" really mean?

[Save The Dragons]

apologies if i'm being rude but i'm not going to sit here and be told i suck by someone i genuinely think is scum (which means i don't suck because i caught her)

or if she is town, she is scumsiding so heavily without remorse or awareness

[T-Bone]

I do appreciate you putting some leg work in to explain yourself though! While your thesis on my voting pattern makes sense you picked some nonsense things to take issue with when direct quoting me.

Predit: I'm not telling you that you suck STD please don't read into that.

[davesaz]

It would be interesting to look at Naerys' completed scumgame, though whether I'll have time is a question.

[davesaz]

I think STD was referring to Ranger there.

[T-Bone]

I'm not complaining about being pushed, I completely understand it but expanding on my reasoning from yesterday. Enchant and I were both Town getting pushed to a pretty substantial degree and T-Bone just did not put pressure anywhere unlike his presence in the early game.

I can push you more if that will make you feel better. This rings like a hollow complaint because I stopped pushing your slot based on how you were approaching things upon entry. You're not that same player now if that's the standard you want to set.

(I mean I'm the same but this is your argument)

I don't like how this feels like a threat. "I'll push you more if it makes you feel better" ...if you think he's scum you should push him. You shouldn't want to push him just so he'll townread you

It was absolutely a challenge, I would hope you don't like it. I also challenged you on your read but my challenge to JV took over last night.

[T-Bone]

I'm going to go ahead and get out in front of this...but if you think I am scum then push me. Whether that's STD, Black, JV, or someone else. And I don't mean cast side eye about me possibly being scum. That's really boring. I mean do something about it, and do something about it today. Go through my ISO, make your case. I have been asking for this since Day 1. Yes, sorry, I'm going to make it difficult for you to eliminate me. But don't shy away.

I think you're scum and I'll push you if and when I feel like it, thanks

Thinks I'm scum and won't push me lmao

VOTE: Black

Kk ezclap

[davesaz]

I have thought some of Ranger's plays have been anti-town, but I think her owning those plays is pretty towny.
I think I've commented on this before, it wouldn't be wise to let her endgame if it gets to that, as I think she's quite proficient enough to deepwolf that stuff.

[Save The Dragons]

First you quote that reads list there. But I clarified what it meant in a later post...but don't let that bother your analysis I guess.

i don't think just because you were asked to explain a garbage readslist and you succeeded at that should give you points when you tried putting this out there in the first place but okay

Your second quote of mine when I asked if you would settle on Enchant I was taunting you because I thought it was a ridiculous thing for you to ask someone given your positioning. You're only bothered by this now like a week later?

my point is you have lots of posts that seemingly have no point, these posts aren't driving the game forward or showing you have reads or anything like that, you're just posting to taunt or fluff or try to expose masons or whatever the hell you were doing yesterday.

Finally I Drew what I felt was a legitimate question given the way Drew asked it. Did you agree with Drew and disagree with me? What does you quoting this post and saying "this is weird too" really mean?

my point is again you're not actually doing anything to drive the game forward, you're just sitting here taking potshots.