Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

We ballin'

[JacksonVirgo]

wassup jv

'ello sir.

[JacksonVirgo]

Expect a catchup relatively soon

[JacksonVirgo]

Will skim most of the early game, more focus when it hits the later pages

[JacksonVirgo]

People talk about Flavor Fever.
After my last game I have JV Fever :lol:

Lmfaooo, nah just lock town me in every game. Nothing bad should come from that, right?

[JacksonVirgo]

Theta and Hu Tao are the only ones whose roles are not confirmed, so I could see suspicion there. Game state feels bonkers though if that's the scum team.

Yeah bonkers fr fr (help)

[JacksonVirgo]

I am intimidated by the 100 pages

[JacksonVirgo]

Bianco’s the scummiest slot so far

No u

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm glad JV is here because I think I might be able to get a better grasp on that slot now

Something is afoot between Cakez and Jackson.

I hope there isn't a foot between us, I value my personal space

[JacksonVirgo]

Up to page 30, kill me now

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'll put this out into the universe for now

As of where I'm up to, this is where I'm leaning

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, I got sleep. Expect the catch up post when I finish catching up. I'm not spreading it out this time cuz I wanna do a funni

[JacksonVirgo]

Guys I think Mountain Drew is the cult leader

[JacksonVirgo]

It was a reference to their post and I just wanted an excuse to call them mountain drew. They're my biggest town-read

[JacksonVirgo]

Bloop

[JacksonVirgo]

If it's any consolation, I have no idea who that fellow with the mask is

Alex Terrible, lead vocalist of Slaughter to Prevail

I am not an alt, that was my old account I was trying to make my alt

Smh thought you didn't like that band

[JacksonVirgo]

Not me coincidentally listening to them rn

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok no one ever look at page 37 again, or else the devil will steal your soul

1:11

[JacksonVirgo]

Just to keep my sanity intact, I'm only going to be responding to what I feel is worth responding to. I am going to be ignoring the dead people (I am writing them out so I remember them) Not Known, Deas, Radical Rat, Maestro. I am assuming none of these are a replacement slot as I can't seem to see it so if they are, I'm probably going to accidentally try and read them.

Now, I introduce

JV: The Book Pt. 1

Spoiler: Chapter 1 - Humble Beginnings

"Thoughts on massclaiming names?" - Radical Rat (19)
I know this is multiple game days progressed but are names super important? It's weird mech I've never seen before. I am also not generally a fan of conversion mechanics but here we are, replacing in and having to deal with them like a chump.

Drew (22) having the exact impulsive reaction that I did to 19 feels good, even though I'm sure scum would call out role fishing when they see it. But good feeling feels good and that's all that matters.

Theta right into the IIOA as of 32 is not a great look but given the game hasn't had too much reads really branched outside of surface level stuff (I think it's literally only Drews), this is probably fine but I'm keeping my peepers peeped on them, although given I like Drew already and he can also understand Theta's line of thinking as of 41, I'm probably expecting too much too early.

Celebloki pops in with the worst debut album of all time (52). The whole obsession, for lack of a better term, with RVS feels forced. It's like they're trying to inject a particular thought (about that post) rather than give their own thoughts, which is inherently scummy. "If we are out of RVS" especially gives off ultra-lamist vibes which I hate to throw out buzz words because I feel like it diminishes my words but it's the perfect fit.

Immediately NK15 calls out part of what I saw in Celebloki lmfao, that gives me confidence.

This might be a bit of a silly reason to town-read somebody but Cakez placing a (joke) vote and then immediately placing a real vote feels incredibly townie to me (67).

Aureal asking a question, but then shutting it down is not a good look 70, and Celebloki taking that and then essentially throwing dirt at NK15's read on them indirectly (in 96) probably puts them in my SRs, but I doubt they're wolf with Aureal.

I'm willing to give a pass to Titus's cult talk stuff around 242 but only because I want to place them

somewhere

to start instead of having them as an unknown.

Spoiler: Chapter 2 - The Call to Adventure

"We might just need to start yeeting some lurking slots" - Aureal (250)

Lord cheesus, it's only page 11 lmfao. This feels a bit like jumping the gun, but enthusiasm is probably townie? Unsure, I am enthusiastic regardless of alignment (probably more as scum ngl) so I'm disregarding this as soon as I thought of it cuz yeah it's probably NAI

Did Kitty replace a dead person? I don't see them in my list of living players so I'm going to assume they replaced out and then proceeded to die. Just in case I'm gonna try and place them either way.

Thom is seemingly referring to Celebloki's slot as their own (when it's not) in 347 with the "knowing that my slot is town". Weird. Only wolf

with

Celebloki I think it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Spoiler: Chapter 3 - Refusing the Call

"too much assuming" as a reasoning to vote Theta is weak as hell from Flavor in 49, but Thom sheeped it so perhaps I'm seeing it differently because of catching up way in the future.

551 "fuck it, let's just kill me" - Flavor
For somebody that was so up in arms about not being able to elim someone with dissonance within the Town, killing yourself is a sure fire way to not eliminate wolves. Not sure I buy this "suicidal" play, not sure I like Flavor at all, but I do know that Theta/Flavor are very likely not aligned.

"Even if you don't believe his wincon, or his intentions, he's an extra chance for scum to miss." - Radical
I know they're out of the game but my god this gives me brain rot

"if eliminations are the only way we can get flips we are kinda in a very bad spot if we no elim" - Theta Alpine
Kinda obvious but I love that they brought this up given the gamestate, huge town points

And I see that Kitty did get replaced by a dead person, that should probably be listed in the OP.

Spoiler: Chapter 4 - Meeting the Mentor

"but i can see it as potential scum who didnt expect me to have info like that." - Flavor Leaf
Wouldn't that be the base assumption? Wouldn't you be more in the world of it being much less likely they know you (aka anyone) had that info.

"i hate cult games with a passion" - FL
Same but here we are, I guess this also could motivate the behaviours you had earlier so I'll let them slide

Ngl I need a mental reset, I might just ultra skim/skip until the hammer

Spoiler: Chapter 5 - Crossing the First Threshold

Roden be doing pro-gamer strats. That's all I got from posts 41-50

Ima be real I'm having a hard time reading, might just leave this book on a cliffhanger.

Maybe the hero life isn't for me

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, I don't expect myself to ever write a part 2.

VOTE: Hu Tao

[JacksonVirgo]

Now ima just read from the start of today and see how I feel

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Dan

I am ok voting the person who keeps saying I should be the vote

Bad post

[JacksonVirgo]

Holy fuckin' shit, Drew

It's beautiful

[JacksonVirgo]

Off topic but I don't care

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh shit I missed the bloop

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Cakez
I would have preferred Hu Tao

[JacksonVirgo]

But also this gamestate needs a hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Cakez
I would have preferred Hu Tao

Me thinks you're cult. Cult me 🤪

Sure :D

[JacksonVirgo]

Hammer go brr

[JacksonVirgo]

This game has been super slow, I aint reading the rest of the 50 pages and the game was going nowhere but circles. A hammer was necessary

[JacksonVirgo]

And I wasn't getting what I wanted

[JacksonVirgo]

Btw that was me seeing Hu Tao naked vote, when suspected. So I figured it's a >rand chance that was to try and break the wagon down

[JacksonVirgo]

Well that wasn't the reason reason, I just wanted the day to end but it did come across in my noggin'

[JacksonVirgo]

Y'all know it's me that gives the coffee ye?

[JacksonVirgo]

Regular ol' barista

[JacksonVirgo]

Hu Tao/JV looking like scum theatre, though tbh

This is objectively a terrible read. I'm sorry

Ikr, so pathetic smh

[JacksonVirgo]

Cuz even if it’s wrong, that is how to scum theatre

Obviously it isn't considering you called it out lol. I feel sad you think so lowly of me that I'd do bad theatre smh, you make my cry

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, i called it out and the two of you immediately think it was bad :lol:

Looks like scum upset their performance got criticized.

I doubt anyone else here would have called it out

I didn't care, I was just "yes, and"ing hu tao cuz I felt it was funny

[JacksonVirgo]

Being a recruit is fun, you should try it

[JacksonVirgo]

Who is FG?

[JacksonVirgo]

If this is ELO and nobody votes you Dan, then at least one of you and Aureal are confirmed scum

It's possible Aureal just got converted though

If is the operable term there

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you Gen Alpha by chance?

Is that a thing in this game or are you asking like me as a person? Cuz hell nah

[JacksonVirgo]

Person. Was just curious.

Was there more to it or just curious? Cuz that was really specific

[JacksonVirgo]

That's everyone bar 3 people lol,

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm Nova, I assume Titus' list is like a psychic vision? With one each day being "one wolf is in this pool"

[JacksonVirgo]

Imagine a wolf has a post restriction that says they can't lie and they are a false positive for u ahahaha

[JacksonVirgo]

Hence that wording, would be hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

What's the wifom?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh right, ignore me

[JacksonVirgo]

rodens room had a recruitment action happen in it and nothing else

[JacksonVirgo]

What's your action?

[JacksonVirgo]

So by your explanation, a recruitment happened on or by roden? In a cult game? And you're being this nonchalant about it?

[JacksonVirgo]

i guess we have not met before

Indeed, can you use words to fill that gap plz.

[JacksonVirgo]

Given their claim, wouldn't it make more sense for them to have done the conversion?

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless they changed the claim from being an announcing self-watcher

[JacksonVirgo]

also i am in the most recent list titus made as juniper

@Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

Or tinfoil theory, it has nothing to do with luck, perhaps the cult is in there and wants to reduce the town voices in it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Am I drunk, Theta claimed their name did they not?

[JacksonVirgo]

Like i thought maybe Bianco got possibly converted to get coffee on their side, but how would scum know their name + be able to get it any night except last night, which is weird after JV’s hammer.

I forgot I hammered until you reminded me just now I'm gonna be real

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a part-time barista, if anybody wants their coffee fast and on time, pre-order today lads

[JacksonVirgo]

This just in: last night, Jackson...


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Went to McDonald's

I actually did lmfaoooo, but is this mech?

[JacksonVirgo]

Well I typed an essay only to be logged out.

Let's try again.

fuck.

Okay. I believe that the group scum are Drew and Flavor Leaf. That's my best guess though there's some wiggle room with regard to FL. I still believe the N1 convert is Hu Tao. While there might be a special interaction with Roden's stream that actually makes it so they are "caught on stream" even if from a pure action standpoint a self-watcher would not target them, their play this entire game and gamma's play D2 really lends itself to recruit territory. N2 was likely maestro, N3 was stopped by Thomith or game would likely be over, and originally N4 it was making plenty of sense Roden would be the recruit with Theta's result, a cop inno on them, and the fact that of all the living players Roden might be the only one to previously express disinterest in voting me (my fade is obviously the scum goal today). However if it can be ascertained that Roden had previously said he actively self watches, that is, he explicitly actions on himself (which I do kinda remember that being stated previously) than Theta not getting that result is suspect. Even if the mod made an error usually the mod would tell the affected party (Theta) but that not being the case probably means it is unrelated. So of the two, it is likely to me that theta is the scum, but probably just a convert if so.

It's easiest to explain why Drew is scum. Firstly we have to go back to NK15's role to show there is group scum in FG. With the likelihood that Cakez was original traitor and Maestro was not, as it stands, NK15 had the potential to get both a false positive (Maestro) and a false negative (Cakez) as scum from implication of their role. That is shoddy game design if there wasn't at least a way to get a real hit. I think it would be unconscionable if that were the case. So it is a choice between me and Drew. We will look at role reasons and play reasons. Role reasons: If I am the scum converting in the hood and Drew is town, his role does jack all to stop the conversions as he only stops non-FG player actions on his target. It only serves to block out the town info roles as demonstrated N2. I have asked this before and I ask again, would it not be better if Drew never used his role? The answer is yes it would be. Again this would be rather shitty game design. My role as a simple doc has no such negative interactions with town info roles and I stop conversions from FG members. Considering the limited purview I think that's much fairer and makes a lot more sense.

Playwise Drew was decently active and vocal D1 but I haven't revisited it since I entered the game. D2 he followed me unto RR and the day was cut short. D3 is more consequential. I have always thought him turning his vote on me mid-day came out of whole cloth. However there is a possibility that the argument he started was projection. I will not relitigate it (you can read up if needed - the info is all there but good luck not frying brain cells). I will simply restate it: I was accused of TMIing when I causally asked if, and implied I believed that, Drew had targeted Maestro N1. Doing so gave away that I failed to convert Maestro N1 and that I thought Drew had to be responsible (his words). I now wonder, and it would be oh so sweet, if Drew had failed in a Maestro convert N1 and tried to attribute this to me. No matter what I think the argument levied at me in the first place was insane, illogical, and unnatural. However it has pretty much established Drew's perennial inclination to vote me ever since. Onwards Drew has not been active and has barely sunk an additional thought into the game.

Now why FL? Admittedly my suspicion is less solid than Drew. But it does start from Drew being scum.

The first thing that does not jive is the "Scum have a 1-shot unblockable modifier to all abilities". This only bypasses my role, and only my role. I don't think it's necessary and is probably one of those creative lies. Perhaps made to bolster Drew's ability's viability. The more I think of the role itself the more I have come to dislike it. The anme part has told us info that we could readily guess at or else we would find out about at about the same rate we get it. All if it is info group scum could feed us. The miller part in a game with 2 roles with the reverse miller feels like overkill though its not out of the question. And flavor cop could include getting a name easily. While I dislike the role its not strong enough at all by itself.

I think Flavor Leaf's play just rings hollow to me. I think today is a good example in multiple ways of an uncritical approach that belies no intention to solve. Thinking Roden defending me immediately as the day began being weird isn't unexpected due to his feelings yesterday. Titus voting Aureal may not be the greatest but there no real further attempt to solve that when there is a trove of VCA and interactions with Titus that makes her slot solvable at least for 3 game days. The firehouse postings of pairings viable or not do not feel fleshed out and are more like pretense (see Drew/Aureal) than anything else. Trying to spin finding traitors in FG as a reason to trust him does not play well when for all purposes Cakez would likely be thought to be town by group scum and Maestro was a traitor who if faded would be practically doing his job. The same when saying lauding the fact he claimed rightfully scum was on RR wagon while he was part of it and caused an early day.

I feel like if FL really thought I my tone was town he might have seen past "Maestro falling on the sword". Clearly I'm still a viable fade now, and I think Maestro would have recognized I always would be and wanted to cash in on his own fade as a converted traitor before the town could ignore him and search for group scum. Does that make sense? I dunno this is not exactly something I can really argue past but I think if a few certain people are so laser focused on my fade so far along into the game as to willfully ignore the other nuances of the game than perhaps they are the scum with an agenda.

Anyway that's my soapbox.

I see there are some cuts. will read

ok

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's kill JV

VOTE: JV

Ahahahahaha, we love that

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey Jackson, is there any restrictions on your coffee? Like, does it double only non-factional actions?

I just give a coffee, and if they drink it they can use an extra action the following night. In normal game terms it's Novice Non-Consecutive and I give it during the day, so pretty much just every even day.

[JacksonVirgo]

My role is also called Part-Time Barista or something along those lines, I haven't looked in like 20 years

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey Jackson, is there any restrictions on your coffee? Like, does it double only non-factional actions?

I just give a coffee, and if they drink it they can use an extra action the following night. In normal game terms it's Novice Non-Consecutive and I give it during the day, so pretty much just every even day.

So if you gave it to someone with a conversion action they would be able to convert twice?

Doesn't explicitly say it wouldn't, but I doubt it just cuz of the nature of it

[JacksonVirgo]

Mod: Which comes first? Investigations or culting?

Game uses NAR so recruit happens first

[JacksonVirgo]

Mod: Which comes first? Investigations or culting?

Game uses NAR so recruit happens first

While I believe you, I need to hear it from the mod.

Valid

[JacksonVirgo]

Will let you know

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, tell me who we're voting. I'm lost on group scum.

Ahahaha you asking me of all people gave me a giggle, needed that today. Honestly from what I’m seeing I don’t really like Dan. I saw you were tossing up Dan and Drew so if you were talking about sorting those I feel a Dan

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I’m just so goated, I assume cuz my role. Why not just lock my action in today and if I move outside that, elim me. So there’s no benefit to converting me, it’s not like I’m a super vocal town anyway

VOTE: Dan

[JacksonVirgo]

My role can’t dupe factional actions

[JacksonVirgo]

Not particularly, what’s your basis?

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m tentatively rejecting that motion because I feel Titus’ reply to me choosing Dan would be kinda wacky considering she could have just put all the blame onto me if the flip goes poorly and Drew is the wolf

[JacksonVirgo]

If so, then ignore what I said. Easy as pie

[JacksonVirgo]

Zzz

[JacksonVirgo]

You think scum are just going to be obvious wolves?

[JacksonVirgo]

N1 recruitment go brr

[JacksonVirgo]

I had no clue what to do this game, didn’t fully catch up cuz that was intimidating and I didn’t want to step on the plans the main faction cult was doing so did the bare minimum I could think of