Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Ranger]

I don't fucking know

Though I remain marginally concerned about this potentially being an elaborate act, I lean towards believing you. I believe 2495. I may see the thoughts, and I think I understand.

I'm going to bed now and for now, I'll risk this.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

As a reminder, this is L-1.

{davesaz}
{Naerys}
{T-Bone, Save the Dragons}
{Black}
{Doctor Drew}

This is where I'm at rn.

[DragonEater70]

VC 4.05

Votecount 4.05

Doctor Drew (3):

davesaz, Naerys, Ranger

[E-1]

T-Bone (1):

Black

Naerys (1):

Doctor Drew

Ranger (1):

Save the Dragons

Not Voting (1):

T-Bone

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-12 20:47:19).

Mod notes:

• I know you guys are used to Alianna making the VCs, but I thought, "hey, maybe once in a while I could post a VC in my own game".
  
• Combined mod ISO

[Ranger]

I am not you

Yes, I try to view actions from your perspective not mine. I've struggled to see your actions as coming from you as town, yet I think I may see them now. I'm okay at least risking a Doctor Drew l-1.

[Black]

VOTE: Ranger

[Naerys]

skimmed drew iso and i think i want to yeet him first
i feel like drew didnt do much through whole game
VOTE: drew

So effort only comes from town?

no but if ranger is scum, she puts rather good effort into it and i wouldnt mind losing to her
on the other side you are kinda stuck on "nae is scum" and then there is nothing else

[Doctor Drew]

skimmed drew iso and i think i want to yeet him first
i feel like drew didnt do much through whole game
VOTE: drew

So effort only comes from town?

no but if ranger is scum, she puts rather good effort into it and i wouldnt mind losing to her
on the other side you are kinda stuck on "nae is scum" and then there is nothing else

You wanna explain that?

I have been adamant about about Ranger being scum, and have gone back and forth on you being scum.

And if I was scum why would I back off Ranger at this point in the day? Only would make sense in a world we are both scum(and spoiler, that is impossible).

And you aren't even calling her town lol......but for some reason now you are just fine letting her do her thing? You feel safe since she isn't calling you scum anymore?

[Save The Dragons]

can you both just vote ranger

[Doctor Drew]

can you both just vote ranger

VOTE: Ranger

[DragonEater70]

VC 4.06

Votecount 4.06

Doctor Drew (3):

davesaz, Naerys, Ranger

[E-1]

Ranger (3):

Save the Dragons, Black, Doctor Drew

[E-1]

Not Voting (1):

T-Bone

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-12 20:47:19).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

[Naerys]

[Black]

Next day is mylo if we are wrong

How confident are you in your Ranger read

Naerys I don't think you ever answered this

[Save The Dragons]

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pinging tbone for sweet death to end this miserable day

[Ranger]

Ranger (3): Save the Dragons, Doctor Drew, Naerys [E-1]
T-Bone (1): Black
Doctor Drew (3): Ranger, T-Bone, davesaz
Black, in this hypothetical vote count, who are you hammering?

Ranger. I think both scum would be on the Drew wagon here

Doctor Drew (3):

davesaz, Naerys, Ranger

[E-1]

[/area]

VOTE: Ranger

Interesting.

The implication here is Black is saying the current Drew wagon has two scum on it still, despite the names not aligning. The third Doctor Drew voter is Naerys, not T-Bone.

This implies Black is calling the scumteam {Ranger, davesaz}.

That matches none of Black's actions.

Perhaps you'll take note of this blatant cognitive dissonance tomorrow.

[Ranger]

Next day is mylo if we are wrong

How confident are you in your Ranger read

Naerys I don't think you ever answered this

Naerys is far from the player most guilty of not following through on their actions.

I believe that falls to you.

You've been pushing T-Bone all day.

You're leaving him as the hammer vote.

Your main suspect has the hammer power and you have said nothing about it.

[Ranger]

pinging tbone for sweet death to end this miserable day

It would perhaps be a lot less miserable if you engaged me without assuming I'm scum, looked at my analysis, and added your own without the preexisting biases.

I believe Black has notably demonstrated a severe contradiction which you should be taking interest in. She had previously shown no scumread on me. She indicated if the wagons were Drew v Ranger with the Drew voters as {Ranger, davesaz, T-Bone} she would vote Ranger because both scum would be on Drew, but her pushes have been on T-Bone with a small side of davesaz. She made no mention of me, except when engaging me on my reads, and the entire time she did, she was treating me as town.

Her sudden vote in that light is rather suspect, particularly as it gives the hammer to her greatest suspect.

[Save The Dragons]

Ranger (3): Save the Dragons, Doctor Drew, Naerys [E-1]
T-Bone (1): Black
Doctor Drew (3): Ranger, T-Bone, davesaz
Black, in this hypothetical vote count, who are you hammering?

Ranger. I think both scum would be on the Drew wagon here

Doctor Drew (3):

davesaz, Naerys, Ranger

[E-1]

[/area]

VOTE: Ranger

Interesting.

The implication here is Black is saying the current Drew wagon has two scum on it still, despite the names not aligning. The third Doctor Drew voter is Naerys, not T-Bone.

This implies Black is calling the scumteam {Ranger, davesaz}.

That matches none of Black's actions.

Perhaps you'll take note of this blatant cognitive dissonance tomorrow.

that's not factually correct

[Save The Dragons]

like

black is saying, in the scenario, there's 2 scum on drew

not "in the future when an unspecified and unknown contingent of people are voting drew, there will be 2 scum on the wagon"

[Save The Dragons]

your hammer point is valid and black could stand to explain that

[Ranger]

Why Ranger over T-Bone though

I don't really think Ranger and dave are both scum. Would all 3 scum pile on me in order like this?
I feel like T-Bone and one of Ranger/dave is probably just the solve here. Drew is the X-Factor

VOTE: T-Bone

Jackson flipping town kinda threw me for a loop. I don't really have much confidence in my reads anymore and I kinda just want to sheep a townread today

I still feel like Naerys and StD are town but I'm not even confident about them anymore

VOTE: ranger

Ranger t-bone drew should contain atleast 1 scum

I wonder what Black's sheeping a townread today would look like.

I'd rather fade T-Bone over you. Maybe you could help me?

black i feel like you just said my post was long but do you have any actual thoughts about it?

I think it's good analysis but I feel like part of your read is impacted by wanting to throw a pie in HEM's face postgame if you're right

If you're not critical of Black for this play, then it is your loss to deserve.

I understand being critical of my defeatism or whatever but I don't think you're looking at it from my perspective. I was wrong about gob and wrong about Jackson despite having pretty strong gut reads on them. Yeah it happens but sometimes I just feel like I'm doing more harm than good when it comes to my pushes

Next day is mylo if we are wrong

How confident are you in your Ranger read

To me it seems like a lot of your read is based around her pushing you

This is a poll for the audience. Without looking, what can you recall about Drew's game? Do you remember any reads he pushed or significant votes he made? Just give me your honest recollection before doing anything else.

All I can recall about Drew's game was he pushed gob and he pushed Ranger. He's been coasting under my radar for a hot minute

I think the question he asked me was weird and I like that Dave pointed it out

Ranger (3): Save the Dragons, Doctor Drew, Naerys [E-1]
T-Bone (1): Black
Doctor Drew (3): Ranger, T-Bone, davesaz

Black, in this hypothetical vote count, who are you hammering?

Ranger. I think both scum would be on the Drew wagon here

Ranger if I were scum I would have already hammered you here

This has been the majority of Black's content today. She's been primarily focused on T-Bone as scum, yet left T-Bone with the hammering vote wordlessly. She has been interacting with me and pointed out a willingness to vote me, yet always secondary to her actions overall. Her wordless tie of the L-1 wagons doesn't match her previous statements because she has stated she likes davesaz's content, so he wouldn't be the scum voting Doctor Drew, yet she townreads Naerys so Naerys wouldn't be the scum voting Doctor Drew either.

She doesn't believe Naerys is scum voting Doctor Drew, nor davesaz is scum voting Doctor Drew.

[Ranger]

black is saying, in the scenario, there's 2 scum on drew

Yes, that's my point.

Black said in that scenario, there's two scum on Doctor Drew.

Yet Black's actions don't match the worldview from there.

Black believed {T-Bone, davesaz, Ranger} would have two scum.

Black has said she sees davesaz favorably today.
Black has said she sees Naerys as town.
Black's strongest scumread is T-Bone, who she handed deciding hammering power to.

Her statements don't match her actions.

[Save The Dragons]

This implies Black is calling the scumteam {Ranger, davesaz}.

Black believed {T-Bone, davesaz, Ranger} would have two scum.

[T-Bone]

Wow I hate that vote count.

[davesaz]

Explain how being concerned about the speed of someone else's wagon is scum motivated.

no takers on this?

[Save The Dragons]

are you trying to say ranger is not scum because she questioned drew's wagon

[T-Bone]

Drew changing his vote as a response to Naerys is normal. I guess STD's change of vote is immaterial to the situation. Or is it?

I am questioning everything including you right now.

I agree, Drew voting Naerys is normal regardless of his alignment. It's a small sign Drew's potentially down, perhaps the first in the game. However, the overall picture for him still suggests scum. He lacks his bite and the lack of interest in his slot the entire game is suspect. Everyone stated they could vote him; I thought people weren't going to follow through yet apparently they did, so now that's a concern.

I think Naerys's swap was probably still town, although I'm not sure. There's concern it was a strategic swap because Drewtown here would ensure a scum win tomorrow, although overall I think I lean towards this being paranoia and Naerys being town. She may be my second-strongest townread, behind davesaz now.

You seem oddly passive right now since you are not under pressure, and while you're providing some reasonable commentary, you're not giving any more definitive analysis and concrete conclusions. You've avoided taking sides and voting, despite having a preference to suspect Doctor Drew. I think I still lean town, but I'm worried the masons game-long suspicion of you may have merit, so I'm not as confident as I was.

Save The Dragons is my main focus here, as I need to figure out his mindset. If I can see his thoughts as town, he is likely still town, yet I'm struggling to understand his view.

Overall, current thoughts;
{davesaz}
{Naerys}
{T-Bone}
{Save the Dragons, Black}
{Doctor Drew}

Notably the bottom tiers aren't scumreads, just least town rn.

I'm glad you're questioning me I guess but it's a little late for that.

My passiveness as you call it is just because I have a lower volume of posts today due to out of game stuffs. I was asking questions as recently as last night to try and determine what I want.

I disagree about not being under pressure as the latest vote count would suggest otherwise I am under immense pressure to hammer the right player and it's possible I'm in a situation where I am choosing between two town. So don't start with me. I think it's been clear from the start of the day that getting my vote correct is important to me so much that I haven't cast it yet and there are 5 hours left.