Open 903: IC Basic [Game Over]

[Gypyx]

gob has rolled IC

billions must die

[Gypyx]

hello leek

VOTE: SzmarzLeek

[Gypyx]

hello leek

VOTE: SzmarzLeek

OMG!

VOTE: Gypyx

No you're not doing it right, you need to tell me that i suck

where's the PASSION where's the BLOOOD FUELED ANGER

[Gypyx]

alright, now need to find Gypyx's partner

Gypyx confirmed scum

1. waited eagerly for the game to start after getting a role PM - scum wants to gain position as early as possible
2. votes obvtown leek who had the most innocent entrance
3. references IC in her opening post to gain favor in confirmed townie

here we go

Actually...

*kneels down*

I wondered if maybe you would like to become my partner in life?

I show you an engagement ring

[Gypyx]

classic frozen scum

GOTTTEM

[Gypyx]

No you're not doing it right, you need to tell me that i suck

See, while you were busy pointing fingers at each other I drank both of your wine glasses. And some whiskey. And some vodka. And some cider. And some lager.

VOTE: Danny Boy

That's great actually because i don't drink, thanks for getting rid of those

[Gypyx]

Hello!

I clicked "Submit" almost 30 minutes after clicking "Post Reply". Why is it so hard to come up with an entrance?

because you're scum

[Gypyx]

Hello!

I clicked "Submit" almost 30 minutes after clicking "Post Reply". Why is it so hard to come up with an entrance?

because you're scum

hehe, wanted to tell them the same before I noticed that there's another page of posts and you already said that

-0.5 scum point for Gypyx (could be bussing! )
+1 scum point for Little Wisp

I would never dare to bus my teammate

what about you

[Gypyx]

Whoops, I thought this was going to start 48 hours from the message >.<

Hello! I'm Nora, this is my first game on this site. I've previously played mafia on discord, but I imagine this will be quite different because of the phase lengths and the forum style posting. 7 days is a lot. o.O Where I play we have 24 or 48 hour days and we usually just hammer within a couple of hours haha.

I've been using the mafiascumwiki quite frequently so I thought it'd be neat to join a game here. Excited to play with you all!

We could hammer in the next couple hours if people weren't such cowards

[Gypyx]

Whoops, I thought this was going to start 48 hours from the message >.<

Hello! I'm Nora, this is my first game on this site. I've previously played mafia on discord, but I imagine this will be quite different because of the phase lengths and the forum style posting. 7 days is a lot. o.O Where I play we have 24 or 48 hour days and we usually just hammer within a couple of hours haha.

I've been using the mafiascumwiki quite frequently so I thought it'd be neat to join a game here. Excited to play with you all!

We could hammer in the next couple hours if people weren't such cowards

Are all 7 days usually played out? I was assuming not

If you could hammer someone right now, who would it be? Leek?

Yeah no, generally we do 4-5 days before hammering someone since it's majority vote and not plurality, larger game can and do take a full week to finish day 1 tho

Did you not realize i was goofing around or what's the idea here?

[Gypyx]

yeah ok that makes sense, for the record RVS usually goes on for 3-6 pages,

i've actually got suspicions if you're interested in that but waiting for something before i act on it

[Gypyx]

3-6 pages, depending on how quickly someone says interesting stuff

[Gypyx]

uhhh, ok

yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum


also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"

am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now

[Gypyx]

scum than town*

[Gypyx]

I don't dislike 43. I could see myself posting something similar.

do you have any previous experiences with mafia willow?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

*the audience emits an audible sigh of dissapointement*

[Gypyx]

uhhh, ok

yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum

also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"

am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now

indeed, leek could be a scum who wants to make a townslip or simply a towny who doesn't want to tell if they're bussing their teammates or not for the sake of their scum games

also, is pushing the game out of RVS as a first person a scummy thing to do? a scum, I would imagine, would like to chill in the RVS fluff!

Well, it's certainely not the argument i'm presenting here, i'm not accusing you of doing that in a vaccum, it just seems like you're grasping at anything you can find and going "yeah that's something to talk about"

[Gypyx]

still getting a feeling for willow's general personality so i'm not really agreeing with your conclusion of "He wouldn't defend me as scum", not actively disagreeing tho just like, i don't know how you manage to tell that about him with a grand total of 2 posts

i'd say your defense on him looks like a pocket as the logic is quite filmsy and newbies generally love getting TR'd

[Gypyx]

7 days per in-game day? 48 hours per in-game day is the norm where I use to play but even then it feels too slow. I hope you guys don't plan to wait till the end of the day to vote out.

Also what is the L-word? Is it a 5 letter word that ends with 'h'?

people take as much time as they need, expect day 1 to take 4-5 real life days

Yeah, Lynch, since like, it's related to some prett dramatic real and historic events, it's a bit out of taste to use it in the context of a forum talking game

[Gypyx]

7 days per in-game day? 48 hours per in-game day is the norm where I use to play but even then it feels too slow. I hope you guys don't plan to wait till the end of the day to vote out.

Also what is the L-word? Is it a 5 letter word that ends with 'h'?

why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?

Bit of a sussy post here

isn't it more reasonable to assume NAS is saying that cause of the meta he's used to?

besides haven't really payed attention for micros but extremely large games have certainely skewed scumsided

[Gypyx]

she drinks lemonade, i drink lipton

this twilight remake kinda sucks

[Gypyx]

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

[Gypyx]

Gypyx can you unpack the cogdis in 44 for me?

wdym by that

You gave a pretty decent reason for an early townread and a really week reason for an early scum read and said your vote was more solid. Why fore?

now i'm just confused

you think the way leek played his opening was towny?

[Gypyx]

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

[Gypyx]

NAS getting SR'd for the sin of being used to a different way of playing the game

[Gypyx]

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuff

if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read

and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"

Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here

[Gypyx]

Nah, it’s the sim of posting an amongus meme.

Ok that's fair actually he's trying to revive dastardly forces

[Gypyx]

Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.

cmon spill the beans

[Gypyx]

Bella is starting conversation! You could guess, it'll be fun (it won't, it's really boring)

get more exciting reads

[Gypyx]

i'm about 1 in Gypyx-meters (my own unit of measurement with 1 Gypyx-Meter is equal to my height)

[Gypyx]

oh ok that, i misphrased it

You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards

Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?

we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuff

if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read

and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"

Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here

oooh this is a really creative read

so ummm, creative wasn't the vibe i was aiming for i gotta admit, and is this an offhanded way of you calling that a shit read or what's the idea here

[Gypyx]

No I just didn't consider an angle like that haha. Where I play the D1s are just shooting randomly in the dark so I never thought about looking at different ways of approaching RVS

how about using that vote of yours then?

[Gypyx]

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

if this is scum!bingle attempting to defend his partner it's a very shallow defense i gotta say that much, i read it more as him trying to read me by asking questions

also doing associatives at this point of the game is pretty bad, since it all collapses the moment someone flips in an unexpected way

[Gypyx]

I'm also wary of NAS now ^^'

NAS getting SR'd for the sin of being used to a different way of playing the game

[Gypyx]

Nah, it’s the sim of posting an amongus meme.

Ok that's fair actually he's trying to revive dastardly forces

For reels, though, the response to the scumread felt weirdly defensive.

i can see it but i kinda viewed it as NAS feeling entitled to his way of playing the game

[Gypyx]

Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.

As I said, these are mostly intuitive reads. Just forcing people into an ordered list based on how I feel about their posts. The only 'real' argument I have for it is Notas's vote on Leek, which I read as opportunistic Mafia jumping on the bandwagon of a suspected Town player.

Also, if you allow me a guess, is your town read Gypyx?

what prompted you to make this guess if i'm like in the middle of your reads?

[Gypyx]

Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.

As I said, these are mostly intuitive reads. Just forcing people into an ordered list based on how I feel about their posts. The only 'real' argument I have for it is Notas's vote on Leek, which I read as opportunistic Mafia jumping on the bandwagon of a suspected Town player.

Also, if you allow me a guess, is your town read Gypyx?

what prompted you to make this guess if i'm like in the middle of your reads?

My reads at the time had "Leek, Nora, Gypyx", in this order. I wonder if Bella stoped at Nora because their town was next in line.

do you honestly think bella would obfuscate one of her reads like that? and if so what would be the point

[Gypyx]

It's pretty hard to gauge anyone on D1 by pure threadplay. By D2 the game should get a little more interesting.

how about you try anyways

[Gypyx]

hmmmm, not really the answer i was hoping for but thanks anyways

[Gypyx]

i think this had the chance to be a very towny post from you but the lack of curiosity about the motivations was really what imo would distinguish between a newbtown who's having ideas that are a bit out there but is earnestly trying to figure out people and just like, you making an assumption that's a bit out there, which i'm viewing as NAI

[Gypyx]

Anyone else feeling Gypyx is trying to sow confusion and chaos? Mafia loves that.

i love confusion and chaos

[Gypyx]

Okay all jokes aside.

VOTE: Aureal

Definitely an awkward entrance. Her push on NotAscum doesn't feel like a towny SRing, more like scum looking for a reason to vote.
I really would like to see more from her.

what's so akward about her entrance? she's being a bit extravagant but that's it

[Gypyx]

yeah ok willow is actually based

[Gypyx]

Okay all jokes aside.

VOTE: Aureal

Definitely an awkward entrance. Her push on NotAscum doesn't feel like a towny SRing, more like scum looking for a reason to vote.
I really would like to see more from her.

what's so akward about her entrance? she's being a bit extravagant but that's it

just trust me here

nope

[Gypyx]

i can see the scum intent behind it but i wanna see how she makes it work

[Gypyx]

sure glad that you haven't contracted a spontaneous blindness but i don't understeand how that's related to the game

[Gypyx]

sure glad that you haven't contracted a spontaneous blindness but i don't understeand how that's related to the game

You defended both NotAS and Aureal at this point. I wanted to make sure you weren't ignoring Aureal's vote on NotAS.

Do you think they're both scum or what's the idea here? cause i'm not seeing them as buddies

[Gypyx]

leek really feels performative when not defending himself

[Gypyx]

sure glad that you haven't contracted a spontaneous blindness but i don't understeand how that's related to the game

You defended both NotAS and Aureal at this point. I wanted to make sure you weren't ignoring Aureal's vote on NotAS.

Do you think they're both scum or what's the idea here? cause i'm not seeing them as buddies

I already explained my thoughts on these two. I scum read them for the same reason, but they're mutually exclusive.

yeah ok glad that we're good on that

do you agree that leek is doing a lot of surface level analysis or are you seeing something else than me

[Gypyx]

Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.

who's your non-gob tr?

obvious question is obvious

7 days per in-game day? 48 hours per in-game day is the norm where I use to play but even then it feels too slow. I hope you guys don't plan to wait till the end of the day to vote out.

Also what is the L-word? Is it a 5 letter word that ends with 'h'?

why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?

Bit of a sussy post here

I actually wanted to pressure you for this post but I realized you're a confirmed townie

scum would be more enclined to scumread an IC post imo since everyone is an IC in their eyes

it's also just very a very blank post

plus the ":D" also sound tryhardish as i don't recall who put it, like he really wants to make sure this is light hearted

I consider Wisp and Gypyx unlimmable today, very proactive gamestyle, not saying they're townlock ofc, but a good start, if I would only consider them a bit later in the game

*takes the top 2 posters*

we're not killing here but also maybe we'll be killing here

actually Nora tries to not say much overall

VOTE: Nora

Accusing her of something he's doing himself, which is generally something that's very natural to do for scum (at least when i play it that's how i think, since people generally like to base the way they're hunting for scumplay around how they play scum)

[Gypyx]

honestly it's so funny to me that NAS is bottom posting when complaining that the game is gonna be too quiet

[Gypyx]

@Nora:

What do you think of literally no one following up on your scumread of me and gypyx specifically ignoring it?
Do you think ‘creative’ reads/lines of thought are inherently scummy, towny, NAI, or need to be judged on a case by case? If the last, what do you think about this one and why?

Usually when my scumreads get ignored they are correct lol, and when my pushes gain traction it ends up flipping town >.> In a new environment where I know no one my pushes being ignored is probably NAI.

gypyx themself have seemed very townie to me though. They are being aggressive and to-the-point with their posts and there's this investigative tone to them, in a way that I find hard for wolves to replicate for fear of standing out too much. I don't think a wolf would want to invite others to sus them by being rude and forthright with everyone (

uhm not rude in a bad sense but like...how do I put it lol, their posts all sound slightly angry

).

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

that's a very naive thought to make

I don't like that you had this thought

scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game

...

well this might be my inexperience with long form forum mafia showing.

I usually start looking for connections early.

this made me laugh but also i gotta admit i'm not doing very good mentally so that probably explains the mildly angry at everything vibes you've picked up

Why are you folding to leeks's affirmation on how you should be playing the game?

please avoid using neutral pronous when referring to me also, thanks

[Gypyx]

ugh, leek just looks too perfect, like, it really feels like he knows i'm town and is trying to defuse me

will reevaluate later

[Gypyx]

Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.

who's your non-gob tr?

obvious question is obvious

1

He's not the first to demand an answer from Bella. Bella still hasn't responded.

7 days per in-game day? 48 hours per in-game day is the norm where I use to play but even then it feels too slow. I hope you guys don't plan to wait till the end of the day to vote out.

Also what is the L-word? Is it a 5 letter word that ends with 'h'?

why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?

Bit of a sussy post here

I actually wanted to pressure you for this post but I realized you're a confirmed townie

scum would be more enclined to scumread an IC post imo since everyone is an IC in their eyes

it's also just very a very blank post

plus the ":D" also sound tryhardish as i don't recall who put it, like he really wants to make sure this is light hearted

2

I'd think scum would be a bit more cautious of making a post sussing the IC, no?

I consider Wisp and Gypyx unlimmable today, very proactive gamestyle, not saying they're townlock ofc, but a good start, if I would only consider them a bit later in the game

*takes the top 2 posters*

we're not killing here but also maybe we'll be killing here

... I'll give you this. This could be Scum!Leek not wanting to deal with us now, but leaving the door open to lim us in the future.

actually Nora tries to not say much overall

VOTE: Nora

Accusing her of something he's doing himself, which is generally something that's very natural to do for scum (at least when i play it that's how i think, since people generally like to base the way they're hunting for scumplay around how they play scum)

3

I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?

numbering those since it's gonna be a mess otherwise

1. It's already been asked, town would know better and just wait and see no? Scum meanwhile is in an eternal search for content as they have to manually generate it

2. Same point as 1 about content, "oh well i've noticed this so now i'm gonna post about it" besides is it *really* aggravating the IC if you immediatly walk it back in the same post

3. If scum were just able to not act scummy at the snap of a finger the game would kinda miss it's point now would it?

But as i've said i'll try to sleep on that reads and come back to it later

[Gypyx]

I'm still convinced leek is scum, other than that I'll have to wait till D2 to get a good read on everyone.

i think odds are you're not living to D2 if you continue like that

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, fix your confbias!

i'm trying

let's just not interact for now ok?

[Gypyx]

I think mafia will be too active to appear as town. People mistakenly think townies are on average more active than scums. So, at the end of the day, I'll change my vote to the player with the most number of posts.

ok cool, what's the point of announcing it ?

i'm gonna want to see how you're playing usually cause right now you're just being wrong

[Gypyx]

this made me laugh but also i gotta admit i'm not doing very good mentally so that probably explains the mildly angry at everything vibes you've picked up

Not game relevant, but <3 Gypyx. You know you got people who care and while we don't interact very often I have enjoyed just about every time we have. Take care of yourself and remember that you're awesome.

not really seeing myself as handsome right now but thanks for the kind words

[Gypyx]

ok like i really should stop myself from posting on mafiascum.net but like which one is it

I think mafia will be too active to appear as town. People mistakenly think townies are on average more active than scums. So, at the end of the day, I'll change my vote to the player with the most number of posts.

Bella's inactivity is suspicious. I'm always alerted on hyper-inactive players who tend to be scum more often than not.

[Gypyx]

can't wait for NAS's third post when he says scum always wants to be in the middle of the postcounts so as not to stand out

[Gypyx]

information instead of analysis

[Gypyx]

I am down for limming someone just for being mech forward(sorry mod).

On that note, I think it’s time for mech advice. Doc, you should either target gob or holster tonight, with a preference for targeting gob. I’d estimate the equilibrium to favor an 80/20 split.

The reason for this does have mathematical grounding but requires understanding of topics like Nash equilibriums and a decent grounding in game theory.

With that said, it’d be way more fun if the doc targets someone who isn’t gob and the scumteam no kills to hopefully get a false innocent result on themselves. If there’s no kill tonight, IC can reveal the doc target with no risk so it’s low risk for mason, and it’s not directly impacting the timeline for scum miselim wise so it’s low risk for scum team. And we will get to talk about how Bingle talked scum into no killing night 1 which will be fun for all of the bingles in the thread.

Be the world you want to see in the change.

yeah uhhh, um, sure, let's do that

(did not understeand)

think i see where you're trying to go with that though

[Gypyx]

honestly really wanna hammer NAS cause he feels like he's saying anything that sounds right to himself without really ryhme or reason

kinda wanna see where leek is going with his analysis of nora though

[Gypyx]

VC 1.7

NotAScum (4) -

gob [IC]

, SzmarzLeek, Aureal, Doctor Drew

[E-1]

Aureal (2) Little Will o' Wisp, Bingle
SzmarzLeek (1) - Gypyx

Not voting: Nora., NotAScum

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-02-15 17:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

Oopsiedoodle, sorry didn't realize that was E-1

why make this post but no unvote?

[Gypyx]

Meanwhile in : the scum PT

SzmarzLeek : dude you're so fucked

SzmarzLeek : i'll try to make a counterpush on Nora maybe that can help you

NotAScum : Hang on i've got the perfect plan

[Gypyx]

i'm TemporalLich's secret alt

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Szmarz

I will go with the will of notascum

You serious?

[Gypyx]

will elaborate after drew answers

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

make better posts or

Perish

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

make better posts or

Perish

So you are voting me because I voted szmarz?

i don't think town!drew ever sees 15-poster NAS sussing leek and goes "Yes, that is the lim that's gonna win us the game

you would probably rather trust your own reads, but if you don't have any genuine reads i can see how one chooses that path

[Gypyx]

Bella's lim imo is 75% chance of a miss, I would say 3 out of 4 times people who don't give a damn are town

oh hey would you look at that, percentages

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

make better posts or

Perish

So you are voting me because I voted szmarz?

i don't think town!drew ever sees 15-poster NAS sussing leek and goes "Yes, that is the lim that's gonna win us the game

you would probably rather trust your own reads, but if you don't have any genuine reads i can see how one chooses that path

Notascum voted szmarz just before they hammered, I think it is a good place to start the day at the very least

invoking NAS as an authority on scumreading just sounds like a bad idea to me, and while i do agree that the conclusion he's reached is probably good, you invoking these reasons is misguided at best and disingenuous at worse

besides, willow flipped town too, why not sheep him rather than NAS?

[Gypyx]

i might be a bit upset irl for unrelated reasons

and now this just sounds like you expected me to TR you for doing that

[Gypyx]

eh, thanks

well, just the way you phrased it? like "you are upset i am voting leek" certainely is a way to present things and not an innocent one

[Gypyx]

gob and gypyx what do you think of leek right now?

i think leek makes sense as scum in a lot of words but i've also been needing to do a proper reread of him for a while and just not finding the mood for it

there are more urgent slots to sort though

[Gypyx]

eh, thanks

well, just the way you phrased it? like "you are upset i am voting leek" certainely is a way to present things and not an innocent one

I voted Leek, then you came after for 'reasons', and all I could figure out was you are upset for some reason that I voted Leek. Yes that is a very surface level read by me, but I am trying to figure out why you did jump down my throat for one vote to start the day on them.

@Doctor Drew have you caught up with the game?

Not really, is there something important I should be briefed about?

'reasons' was cause i didn't wanna give you a hint on what i was actually gripping about with you

once again you're really hyperfixating on the fact that you *voted* for leek, i don't care, what i care about is how the mindset you've been presenting just doesn't make sense imo in a town!drew world

this has really taken you a lot of time to present it as a surface level read though, like yeah idk, good question from Nora, are you caught up?

[Gypyx]

Aureal really is SCANNING these posts

[Gypyx]

Hey Nora how about you go and place a vote on someone

[Gypyx]

Hey Nora how about you go and place a vote on someone

Majority is 4 and I don’t really want to get any wagon to R-2 >.> we can imagine my vote on leek. Why are you in a rush?

today is a big nothing burger so far and like, idk about you but i'm cool with scum quickhammering someone lol

[Gypyx]

Leek hasn’t even spoken yet, it’s really bad for us to hammer regardless of leek’s alignment. If they are scum we want them to give us more info before we kill tjem. If they are town we want them to have a chance of defending themself and/or finding the scum for a legacy…

i mean, idk about you but i wanna play the game, we aren't gonna get fowards by patently waiting for leek to get in thread

[Gypyx]

gob really has transcended beyong saying words

[Gypyx]

hey bingle you wouldn't be interested in playing a funny marathon game like right now, 20 minutes at most

[Gypyx]

viewtopic.php?p=14093383#p14093383

it's up to you, i'd understeand if you'd prefer to not do that

[Gypyx]

Everyone pile on gpyx, im half convinced they're frozen rn lol

can't a girl sleep

[Gypyx]

is my drew read bad or like is it just that no one cares

[Gypyx]

kyle?

[Gypyx]

Everyone pile on gpyx, im half convinced they're frozen rn lol

Why do you think scum would be frozen here?

What are they supposed to do when they're pinned?

would love to be scum so that someone can pin me right now

[Gypyx]

is my drew read bad or like is it just that no one cares

The thing is that I keep saying that you just seem angry that I voted Leek, and you aren't really explaining what exactly is your issue with my vote.

That being said that if you are town, there isn't such a thing as a bad push imo. But this kinda feels like a push on bad faith. Even you asking this question feels like you are worried about the optics of a push on me.

look, like, i've gone into detail as of why this is not about your leek vote but rather how you're presenting it, and at this point i don't think there's any way you're not doing this on purpose , and yeah, bingle just telling me "idk about anything, will sort drew later" is very much too much for me to bear

i'm worried about if a single read i have is ever gonna matter to anyone cause so far that really hasn't been the case, call that optics if you will

[Gypyx]

at best i'm getting comments in spec chat about "woah omg gypyx was right" and that's it

[Gypyx]

It's true that Drew is not doing much and it's hard to get much of a read on him as a result. Have you played with Drew before, is there something in particular that makes you think him being lazy with his vote is likely scum?

But like, there is town!nothing and scum!nothing, i think we're very much facing scum!nothing right now, i otherwise don't really like doing meta reads so i can't really say if that's anything specific to drew's playstyle, will only say that i don't recall him being like that in the times i've played with him though

[Gypyx]

no not really?

[Gypyx]

Okay, I originally thought maybe your read on him was meta-based, the way you were phrasing it earlier in 331. I guess I was also slightly misreading that post though. At this point I'm slightly townreading Drew for the way he's engaging with this, but it's not the firmest of reads.

yeah idk not seeing it, granted i'm not seeing a lot of stuff right now

and ok i see, well it's meta based to the extent that i'm expecting drew to have a rough idea of how to play mafia

[Gypyx]

Do you have a read on Leek?

currently wearing a cap labeled "#1 leek hater"

maaaaaaaaybe?

he's pretty much afk though so i'm using my time somewhere else

[Gypyx]

bottom text

[Gypyx]

Okay, it's honestly a little baffling that you're so hard on Drew for voting a slot you maaaaaaaaybe have a read on.

I can totally see drew's behaviour today as a poor attempt to create distance with his partner, i'd even argue it makes more sense than drew trying to do that to town!leek in a poor attempt to steer today's exe towards him

[Gypyx]

poor attempt

[Gypyx]

not buying this scum theatre

gob really throwing tomatoes at us

[Gypyx]

Okay, it's honestly a little baffling that you're so hard on Drew for voting a slot you maaaaaaaaybe have a read on.

I can totally see drew's behaviour today as a poor attempt to create distance with his partner, i'd even argue it makes more sense than drew trying to do that to town!leek in a poor attempt to steer today's exe towards him

Maybe vote Leek then?

"hey i know you're voting someone who's active and generating content based off of that but can you please park on the afk spot when we aren't even near the consolidation stage?"

[Gypyx]

nah i'm getting your PhD ass first

[Gypyx]

nah i'm getting your PhD ass first

You certainly have a lot more confidence in your reads than you have had in previous games

What changed?

i think i'm at roughly the same confidence that i was in previous games, i'm just trying to have my voice be heard and that's pretty much the only thing i wanna acheive anymore, this is in continuation of how i played 2326 and i'm also curious of how you possibly would've read me as "lacking confidence" in that one, appart from maybe the dann read but i think that came from a place of voting someone i knew was probably town

[Gypyx]

actually um nvm i suck at the game who we voting

[Gypyx]

nah i'm getting your PhD ass first

You certainly have a lot more confidence in your reads than you have had in previous games

What changed?

i think i'm at roughly the same confidence that i was in previous games, i'm just trying to have my voice be heard and that's pretty much the only thing i wanna acheive anymore, this is in continuation of how i played 2326 and i'm also curious of how you possibly would've read me as "lacking confidence" in that one, appart from maybe the dann read but i think that came from a place of voting someone i knew was probably town

actually um nvm i suck at the game who we voting

First off, you don't suck at this game. The last couple games we played you were town(right?) and you had some good reads. What I meant about the confidence this is that in the dead thread/post game you talked about how, well just like this, that you aren't good at mafia.

So when you come at me with this super confidence that I am definitely scum, just seems a bit off.

Also do notice that I am not voting you, I do genuinely want to pick your brain, I just am currently trying to figure out your motive.

i'm basically oscillating between thinking i'm the best and just need to push harder and thinking i'm the worst and that i'll end up being wrong regardless

being aggro also just makes me feel better about things

[Gypyx]

why do i hear boss music

[Gypyx]

that checks out

VOTE: Enchant

Death and murder

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

that checks out

VOTE: Enchant

Death and murder

Now these are some spicy tamales.

Pick a side

[Gypyx]

not asking you to vote, just wanna see a stance from you

[Gypyx]

not asking you to vote, just wanna see a stance from you

I mean, my stance is that Bingle never kills will last night. I make the mech optimal gob kill or the fun optimal no kill.

Sure wasn't really my question tho, I still think that "i NEVER would do that" arguments are bad and very accessible for scum to make

[Gypyx]

Hey gypyx, can you explain why the gob kill is mechanically the best?

on top of what enchant said it also has the benefit of not allowing the mason partner to keep his reads hidden, so killing IC is good (especially IC gob)

pedit : stop pediting everyone

[Gypyx]

There's no benefit in CCing really, unless you think you WIN 1vs1.

the nitpick to end all nitpicks

[Gypyx]

It’s slight scum equity that enchant jumped in to answer there

wtf i like mech

did you not think about how cool it would've been to correct me if i was wrong?

[Gypyx]

can more people townpost pls

[Gypyx]

not you

[Gypyx]

or like, idk, no way you're town right

pedit : fuck this game we should run a comedy show together actually enchant

[Gypyx]

so that's the elusive "cancel culture" hmmm...

[Gypyx]

that's great cause it's absolutely not 2 similar concepts you can twist and turn to your own benefit

I don't belive you form a scumread on me in the like 7~ minutes you had since opening thread, either you've read stuff before entering and do a vote immediatly or you're catching up and there's no way you do anything that holds any ground in that time frame

i'd probably be more charitable if your confidence on me came from a place where i'm acting scummy, which i don't think i am and you don't act like you're seeing anything specific either

so yeah, what i'm seeing is that you repped in the doom scum world and are trying to 1v1 me while you can

[Gypyx]

ok that's cool but like why are you acting as if you know the mason too

[Gypyx]

masons would NEVER attempt to distance each other

[Gypyx]

ok so am i dumb or is this just openly antitown

[Gypyx]

like he's not even trying to hide it

[Gypyx]

yeah but like, IC is IC, killing outside of it reduces the pool for scum to hide in, and it's not like town has any distinctly townie forerunners anyways

[Gypyx]

it would be time to start doing things i think

don't think i wanna vote outside of drew / enchant today

[Gypyx]

(we have 2 days 12 hours until deadline)

[Gypyx]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

I think Aureal has pretty high chances of being town, and even then i'm more confident to let her alive than nothingburgers 1 and 2

[Gypyx]

if you ask nicely i will sheep you

[Gypyx]

that's not very nice, no sheeping for you

[Gypyx]

My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.

Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal

I think Aureal has pretty high chances of being town, and even then i'm more confident to let her alive than nothingburgers 1 and 2

Why do you think I'm likely to be town?

You just sound extremely genuine? Like yeah sorry it's not something i'm too much able to put into words but i just really feel like the way you've gotten passionate around arguing with bingle isn't fake for instance

[Gypyx]

an enchant post with 5 lines, truly marvelous

must ponder on this wisdom

[Gypyx]

You also free to find post where i am "pissed" that i was caught so fast.

I wouldn't care even as mafia. I just replaced in, literally no moral attachment for game.

For me it's just another game where i am shapegoated. There's many of them already.

yeah but like you wouldn't either as town

[Gypyx]

gotta admit idk what this means for you

pedit : well now that just looks like TMI

[Gypyx]

let's gooooooo we got em

[Gypyx]

look like i'm sorry if this is actually annoying you but you're acting actually scum!scummy and not enchant!scummy, i wouldn't have counterpushed you if you didn't cross all the boxes i was expecting from you

[Gypyx]

can we talk about it post-game maybe? once again i'm sorry

[Gypyx]

err can we still talk after hammer? >.>

As long as the thread is still open you can talk

like, since games are modded by hand it doesn't really close automatically

[Gypyx]

Expecting acting same from one being is big mistake, really.


Otherwise everyone would play anon alt games, because meta op

yeah cause that's absolutely what i've said

idk, like once again i'm sorry if this hurt your feelings but i'm just genuienly doing what i think is correct, this is not personal against you, and i don't have a duty to townread you all the time

[Gypyx]

i think i messed up and im just going to leave

so sorry

If it's about enchant kinda lashing out don't take it as against you, i think they just maybe expected to live or something like that

[Gypyx]

Also you should stop making me feel bad for being eliminated, i don't remember even saying any bad thing after hammer.


Pairing you as mafia is not lash out, it's job

It didn't feel emotionally neutral but like ok, i just don't like when people seem sad

[Gypyx]

i think i messed up and im just going to leave

so sorry

elaborate on why you said that or i'm nightkilling you

[Gypyx]

enchant continuing to solve and not open wolfing after hammer is a town claim… unless they are trolling but I think they’re being genuine >.>

sure it's a town claim but an easy one to make, besides "people who pushed me are scum" is certainely a take

just wanted to see if you saw the same thing i did

[Gypyx]

Once again I am asking for someone to teach me how to ping…

quote someone's post

[Gypyx]

ugh

yeah so i'm cool with following you more since obviously i haven't really made the best decisions but i feel like this is gonna end up on me given your track record

did bingle give you any reads?

[Gypyx]

fair

i feel like it might be easier to find the 2 towns in me / drew /aureal / nora but also like who the fuck is town here

Drew is basically acting like scum who doesn't care

Aureal i thought she was mason but like clearly she isn't so i'll try to look again here

Nora reads like she played to pocket me pretty hard

[Gypyx]

so yeah that's great but that just gives you an excuse to simply lurk as scum cause "that's your towngame"

the reason i'm saying that is also cause this is a very different kind of activity than what i remember of you

[Gypyx]

so yeah that's great but that just gives you an excuse to simply lurk as scum cause "that's your towngame"

the reason i'm saying that is also cause this is a very different kind of activity than what i remember of you

You just decided I have been scum from the start right?

Have you ever seen me as scum?

*acts scummy from the start*

"you've just decided i have been scum from the start right?"

yeah ok, i'm not voting anyone other than drew today

and this is not a meta read so i haven't really thought about checking it out no

[Gypyx]

Aureal i thought she was mason but like clearly she isn't so i'll try to look again here

When and why did you think this?

gob immediatly unvoting your wagon when you got into actual kill range is what made me think of it first, and i thought your wishy washyness came from a place of self-preservation

[Gypyx]

Nora reads like she played to pocket me pretty hard

huh? wouldn’t the goal of a pocket be to get you to town read me

i dont remember if you ever posted a read on me at all so. Very effective pocketing I’m doing here xD

*currently trying to stab me*

"well you see i haven't managed to slice your throat yet, so what do you mean i'm trying to kill you?"

like, idk, it just seems like you're very happy with just living in my shadow

[Gypyx]

No more lies gypyx………

i've been a paragon of truth since the start of this game and you're executing me for the sins of having a big voice and trying to bring direction to things

what i'm getting at is that i'm litterally Jesus 2

[Gypyx]

anyways i also don't really wanna pull a 2325 again so i'll try my best to keep myself contained

[Gypyx]

actually Nora's play today is really weirding me out, Aureal is also just... not concerned? idk, that's not how i expect town to act in what is for now a scum sweep

went through the game and Nora + Aureal just makes so much sense as the scumteam

[Gypyx]

specifically how they interacted between each other

[Gypyx]

actually Nora's play today is really weirding me out, Aureal is also just... not concerned? idk, that's not how i expect town to act in what is for now a scum sweep

went through the game and Nora + Aureal just makes so much sense as the scumteam

What happened to me being scum?

i think this being a bastard game with a 3 man scumteam is not out of the question

but also, idk, i'm trying really hard to keep in mind bad play is not necessarily scum play, something with your unapologetic confidence also reminds me of jacksonVirgo in my last normal, who was town

[Gypyx]

actually Nora's play today is really weirding me out, Aureal is also just... not concerned? idk, that's not how i expect town to act in what is for now a scum sweep

went through the game and Nora + Aureal just makes so much sense as the scumteam

What happened to me being scum?

i think this being a bastard game with a 3 man scumteam is not out of the question

but also, idk, i'm trying really hard to keep in mind bad play is not necessarily scum play, something with your unapologetic confidence also reminds me of jacksonVirgo in my last normal, who was town

You realize that if there were 3 scum, the game would be over, right?

Also I kinda feel I have been a bit too snarky engaging with you, I apologize for that.

this may also be a bastard game where the scumteam having majority doesn't endgame the town

Yeah idk, it's also my responsabilty for choosing to do an agressive approach on you, still struggle to find reasons to townread you though

[Gypyx]

Aureal i thought she was mason but like clearly she isn't so i'll try to look again here

When and why did you think this?

gob immediatly unvoting your wagon when you got into actual kill range is what made me think of it first, and i thought your wishy washyness came from a place of self-preservation

You've been defending me the whole game though, since gob started that wagon. Just like you've defended an awful lot of players who've since flipped town. It's like you just knew they were town, and could just do stuff like brush off NAS's scumminess as playstyle. Meanwhile, I've just been wrong about basically everything I've expressed any level of confidence in.

You also just let me spar with Bingle over his interpretation of your post about me rather than clarify anything. That's feeling a lot like scum glad to sit back and let townies fight, rather than town who would hopefully be motivated to try to clarify their words.

It's also not lost on me that the day suddenly ended just after I asked why you were townreading me. If you're partnered with Nora that hammer makes a lot of sense as a way to avoid having to talk about that while you were the counterwagon and I'm showing signs that I might be moving towards it.

convinent that you push back on me the exact moment i express doubt

[Gypyx]

Fuck this town shit dude im switchin sides

Not about to lose this one too

gob really just says words sometimes

[Gypyx]

actually Nora's play today is really weirding me out, Aureal is also just... not concerned? idk, that's not how i expect town to act in what is for now a scum sweep

went through the game and Nora + Aureal just makes so much sense as the scumteam

What happened to me being scum?

i think this being a bastard game with a 3 man scumteam is not out of the question

but also, idk, i'm trying really hard to keep in mind bad play is not necessarily scum play, something with your unapologetic confidence also reminds me of jacksonVirgo in my last normal, who was town

You realize that if there were 3 scum, the game would be over, right?

Also I kinda feel I have been a bit too snarky engaging with you, I apologize for that.

this may also be a bastard game where the scumteam having majority doesn't endgame the town

Yeah idk, it's also my responsabilty for choosing to do an agressive approach on you, still struggle to find reasons to townread you though

I like aggressive lol, so we are all good.

But, I am almost positive that a bastard game has to advertised as such

Honestly, I am ready to just go Gyp->Nora and stay GG well played everyone

yeah ok that's great but we lose the game if that happens

[Gypyx]

i would love to not be the guy who makes town lose in ELo for once

[Gypyx]

god i hate how Nora and Aureal can just afford to be openly scummy right now

[Gypyx]

i mean, if someone else wants me to answer i can yeah

[Gypyx]

also like yeah i'm a bit annoyed at how this went with, scum would be the ones who would be more relaxed and happy about things how are going

it's a bit part of why i think drew is the other townie rn

[Gypyx]

big*

[Gypyx]

idk, gob, if you think that's a good case please tell me so, the ye ye felt more sassy to me

so, you're saying i'm both making attacks that are meant to be bad and also am actually scared of those actually working?

idk, i'll just not interact with you i think

[Gypyx]

Aureal i thought she was mason but like clearly she isn't so i'll try to look again here

When and why did you think this?

gob immediatly unvoting your wagon when you got into actual kill range is what made me think of it first, and i thought your wishy washyness came from a place of self-preservation

1)

You've been defending me the whole game though, since gob started that wagon. Just like you've defended an awful lot of players who've since flipped town. It's like you just knew they were town, and could just do stuff like brush off NAS's scumminess as playstyle. Meanwhile, I've just been wrong about basically everything I've expressed any level of confidence in.

2)

You also just let me spar with Bingle over his interpretation of your post about me rather than clarify anything. That's feeling a lot like scum glad to sit back and let townies fight, rather than town who would hopefully be motivated to try to clarify their words.

3)

It's also not lost on me that the day suddenly ended just after I asked why you were townreading me. If you're partnered with Nora that hammer makes a lot of sense as a way to avoid having to talk about that while you were the counterwagon and I'm showing signs that I might be moving towards it.

so once again, i didn't wanna answer these questions cause they just look like they're made in bad faith, but like, sure ok

1) ummm, like, yeah NAS? who else? and like what, if they flipped scum you would've said "you defended an awful lot of players who flipped scum" this litterally means NOTHING. I also pretty much turned around on NAS at the end of day and was planning to hammer him, weird that you're leaving this out of your line of argument

2) this wasn't about my words? like, idk, that's where the starting points of stuff was sure, but i didn't feel like there really was anything to clarify since it was more Bingle using it as a starting point to propel his own arguments, also you're really audacious to accuse me of sitting back when you're the slot that's more guilty of that, once again, scum players scumreading based on their own way of playing as scum

3) or like, you could ask your scumbuddy Nora to hammer the day now and kill me tommorow before i realize how cooked I am, i too can create theories about what happened that's crazy

[Gypyx]

No, I'm saying you seem to be making intentionally bad attacks because
1) you don't have much in the way of a good response to give because you didn't actually have a thought process there to explain; and
2) if you were still able to come up with good-looking responses it would make us both look townier to interact with each other discussing them, but you're probably going down anyway and don't want me to look townier because I'm not your partner

If you were town here I'd think you'd want to try to explain things if I've misunderstood them and try to find me. You're just shutting me out without any explanation.

I think you just perfectly described the main issue I have had with Gyp since I repped in

yeah idk, i'm trying to be more direct with things

but like, interacting with a slot i think is scum is also very different from interacting with a slot i think is town? like, i feel like we're not playing the same game here

[Gypyx]

god i hate how Nora and Aureal can just afford to be openly scummy right now

can you answer my question from earlier >.>

just because you failed to pocket me doesn't mean the attempt was not here, the way you've been treating me has been pretty distinct from other slots imo

[Gypyx]

god i hate how Nora and Aureal can just afford to be openly scummy right now

can you answer my question from earlier >.>

just because you failed to pocket me doesn't mean the attempt was not here, the way you've been treating me has been pretty distinct from other slots imo

Can someone pass the popcorn so I can really enjoy this theater?

*bows down* thank you mister drew, thank you

[Gypyx]

no but like for real am i the ONLY ONE seeing what i'm seeing?

[Gypyx]

idk, even if i manage to get one i don't think i'm living 3p anyways

[Gypyx]

no but like for real am i the ONLY ONE seeing what i'm seeing?

idk, even if i manage to get one i don't think i'm living 3p anyways

Well it seems like we have common ground in Nora, so why don't we lim them?

Well yeah obviously but as said in the quoted stuff my biggest concern is Aureal right now

also, like, that's betting you have a green PM, which is a bet that's worrying to take still

[Gypyx]

this would be a whole lot less stressful for me if gob told us where his head was at

pls jigglypuff

[Gypyx]

no but like for real am i the ONLY ONE seeing what i'm seeing?

idk, even if i manage to get one i don't think i'm living 3p anyways

Well it seems like we have common ground in Nora, so why don't we lim them?

Well yeah obviously but as said in the quoted stuff my biggest concern is Aureal right now

also, like, that's betting you have a green PM, which is a bet that's worrying to take still

It doesn't matter which scum we lim first, why not Nora for today?

I don't really care about Nora, i'm telling you that my problem is Aureal rn

[Gypyx]

yeah but like, in a sense getting that lim is allowing the gamestate to process as is, and it's always gonna be easier proving she's scum with her partner alive and speaking

like, i've also got the ability to plan for future events, i can tell that going with a Nora lim right now probably means me tommorow, i'm trying to let myself talk to townspew and stuff but you don't seem convinced

do you understeand where i'm getting at ?

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

yeah but like, in a sense getting that lim is allowing the gamestate to process as is, and it's always gonna be easier proving she's scum with her partner alive and speaking

like, i've also got the ability to plan for future events, i can tell that going with a Nora lim right now probably means me tommorow, i'm trying to let myself talk to townspew and stuff but you don't seem convinced

do you understeand where i'm getting at ?

All I see is someone who doesn't want to lim someone they consider a scum read.

Do you understand what I am getting at?

Just tell me if you've made up your mind already pls

[Gypyx]

like, this the most uncurious "Well you think she's scum and yet you're not dropping all logic in order to kill her lol"

[Gypyx]

Fight the tunnel > get exed

Don't fight the tunnel > get exed

[Gypyx]

what the fuck am i even supposed to do

[Gypyx]

Cause i don't wanna win in 5p ELo just to lock in a loss in 3p?

[Gypyx]

uhm wait so were you simply not getting scummy pings from bingle or were you explicitly townreading them? your first post said the former and now it's the latter. because...there's a difference. the absence of scummy pings does not make someone townie enough that you ignore a wagonomics read on them while agreeing with the other two on the same principle. like, it should make then hover around null, leaving the read susceptible to change through other tells such as what gob brought up.

and fwiw im harping on this particular point because there's a chance scum already knew bingle was unpushable at that point be it because they either had a strong pr read there or had used a role cop on them, and so i went back to look for potential tmi d2

Oh right, there's a rolecop in this setup

Hmmm

dumbtell harder pls

[Gypyx]

so once again, i didn't wanna answer these questions cause they just look like they're made in bad faith, but like, sure ok

Why do they look like they're in bad faith?

1) ummm, like, yeah NAS? who else? and like what, if they flipped scum you would've said "you defended an awful lot of players who flipped scum" this litterally means NOTHING. I also pretty much turned around on NAS at the end of day and was planning to hammer him, weird that you're leaving this out of your line of argument

NAS and me clearly, Bingle somewhat, and I think Wisp? (I'm not actually clear what 'based' means but I think it's positive). That said, my read on that wasn't as strong when I reviewed your ISO again just now to clarify, so eh. You did spend a lot of time tussling with Leek, who was also my primary scumread for much of the game.

2) this wasn't about my words? like, idk, that's where the starting points of stuff was sure, but i didn't feel like there really was anything to clarify since it was more Bingle using it as a starting point to propel his own arguments, also you're really audacious to accuse me of sitting back when you're the slot that's more guilty of that, once again, scum players scumreading based on their own way of playing as scum

These are unrelated arguments. You sitting back and not saying anything about Bingle's interpretation of your words implies that you didn't have a problem with the interpretation; and since I clearly thought his interpretation was insulting, you not saying anything looks like trying to avoid also getting that negative attention from me. Referring to my overall detachment from this game as a comparison to a specific situation that you were involved in but chose to stay as far away from as possible is just totally wrongheaded. And why would you even think I would play that way as scum?

3) or like, you could ask your scumbuddy Nora to hammer the day now and kill me tommorow before i realize how cooked I am, i too can create theories about what happened that's crazy

Huh? I don't even know what the latter half of that means; and for the first part if I was scum why would I start eyeing you yesterday but get Nora to end the day without any discussion of it?

1) Yeah so that's cool i was townreading some townies, like, wowzies, shocker ! (also even if i didn't really get in depth on that i absolutely was wary of Bingle) once again you can't just apply scumreading concepts in a vaccum and claim you've caught me, it's also once again very misrepresentative to claim i was on the side of the NAS defenders when i absolutely would've hammered him without wisp beating me to it

2) well now it's me who's not understeanding what you're saying to me right now, that's like, great lol

3) because that allows you to push me on that basis? like obviously scum!you doesn't want me to be able to answer too much, who knows, i might end up *gasp* clearing myself !

[Gypyx]

well im not mafia. x_x We lose the moment a townie votes me

Gypyx, please think your vote through. Why do you townread drew? Help me understand that read because I’m certainly not there yet. From where I’m standing it’s kind of blatant that he’s trying to coerce a townie into voting another townie

i think i'm the person who's thinking the most about this game rn in all honesty

as for drew, like, i think his play overall is questionable but the way he's interacting with me just screams T/T and in ELo i think i trust more those immediate reads based on who is doing what

and like, yeah this could be coercion, or he could just let things be and probably have the day ends with an exe on me? You're reaching lol

[Gypyx]

No, I'm saying you seem to be making intentionally bad attacks because
1) you don't have much in the way of a good response to give because you didn't actually have a thought process there to explain; and
2) if you were still able to come up with good-looking responses it would make us both look townier to interact with each other discussing them, but you're probably going down anyway and don't want me to look townier because I'm not your partner

If you were town here I'd think you'd want to try to explain things if I've misunderstood them and try to find me. You're just shutting me out without any explanation.

I think you just perfectly described the main issue I have had with Gyp since I repped in

yeah idk, i'm trying to be more direct with things

but like, interacting with a slot i think is scum is also very different from interacting with a slot i think is town? like, i feel like we're not playing the same game here

Why exactly do you suddenly think I'm scum? All I've seen is that now you know I'm not the mason, and... you apparently think I'm not feeling distressed enough about it being ELO? Why do you feel I should be taking this game very seriously here- you've clearly seen that I've not been very invested for most of it.

not to case you but basically

- interactions with Nora
- Your behaviour this ELo (hard pushing me)
- I'm not asking you to run around in circles screaming, but you just don't look very uninformed
- i guess i let earlier things slide which are grounds for reevaluation now

[Gypyx]

I fucking hate how i'm getting SR'd cause like, idk, i'm acting mean or something? Certainely feels like that's the reason

but like, sure go off, the loss is on your hands not mine

[Gypyx]

well you're already wrong at step 1 bud

[Gypyx]

i shall never recover from this defeat

[Gypyx]

thought this applied to me too

[Gypyx]

luv feeling sad depressed snd stressed unironically

makes you feel alive

maybe you should take a break from things actually, this doesn't look very healthy

[Gypyx]

… you can just unvote? votes aren’t locked in lylo? >.>

if votes ARE locked and this is a test: im acknowledging the vote. im not mafia

welcome to the only site that doesn't have this rule for like, whatever reason

also since Lylo is derived from "Lynch" avoid saying it pls, "ELo" is a better alternative

[Gypyx]

anyways i would love to belive you are town Nora but like if the scumteam is Drew + Aureal i'm litterally gonna punch air at how they got away with doing absolutely nothing day1/2 (i mean, fair i argued with drew but i feel like i was the only one actually interested in that)

pedit : hello TLich

[Gypyx]

ok so you're just giving up now, cool

[Gypyx]

maybe if some people could start by step 1 and admit they're just scumreading me cause they just think my personality is icky that would be a good start

[Gypyx]

this maybe is a bit of an heavy topic for a mafia game thread but like, i sincerely wish for you to get better, remember that the first step to getting better is knowing that you have an issue

[Gypyx]

yeah me too

[Gypyx]

i don't really understeand how it's Drew but it seems like the game is kinda locked into that anyways

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

idk, was worried about Nora Aureal but also it's not like me unvoting prevents that ig

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Drew

[Gypyx]

omg it was actually Nora and Aureal

[Gypyx]

there is a curse between me and ELos or something i swear

[Gypyx]

Nora come on

would you really do it to me like that

[Gypyx]

look at that beacon of pure evil, incredible

oh well, ggs, we played our best

[Gypyx]

Not even close