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"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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VOTE: gob
Fight me! I shall claim the true crown!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Stop thumping tubs and go find some scum, Bingle! This isn't a concert!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Creative? Does that mean you think it's made-up?In post 98, Nora. wrote:
oooh this is a really creative readIn post 87, Gypyx wrote:
we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuffIn post 81, Bingle wrote:
Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?In post 79, Gypyx wrote: oh ok that, i misphrased it
You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards
if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read
and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"
Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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AhahahahaIn post 99, Nora. wrote:
Who is your townread? Is it gob?In post 90, Bellaphant wrote: Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.
I had some weird vibes from Nora at first but now I'm leaning town on her"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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VOTE: NotAScum
Not convinced"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Awww, I love confusion and chaos too! <3In post 139, Gypyx wrote:
i love confusion and chaosIn post 138, NotAScum wrote: Anyone else feeling Gypyx is trying to sow confusion and chaos? Mafia loves that.
Except for when I don't."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Are you not curious about theIn post 137, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: Well... You're right! I'm not curious about why Bella would conceal her town read. I just wanted to see if I could guess who her town read was.whybecause you think you understand it already?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Trust that he's town anyway
I expect if he wasn't confirmed town I'd be inquiring into why he thinks I was looking for a reason when I didn't even give a reason. But no point here"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I'm not really sure why you're talking like it's even near the end of the day when it's actually only been 48 hours."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Huh. I took the hypocrisy=scummy approach for a while when I started playing again. Didn't really work for anything other than getting me into TvTs.In post 202, Bingle wrote:
Agreed. I've actually always thought the opposite was the case. If someone is doing something and yet saying someone else doing the same thing is sus, it's frequently an indication of a guilty conscience projecting their scumminess.In post 187, Nora. wrote:
This is circular reasoning lolIn post 184, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Cool, can I have some more antipartner equity too?In post 212, Bingle wrote: NotAScum - I'm scumreading him because of the "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe I got from 72, but he's also already got significant antipartner equity with Aureal and Leek, which is odd if he's scum.
VOTE: SzmarzLeek"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Oooh, let me try too!In post 214, gob wrote: Bingle giving a reads list after being called scum is a panic move if ive ever seen 1
Nora.: look how awkward this is, it looks like I typoed a period in there
Wisp: confusing me by suspecting me for suspecting the same person he did
Gypyx: trying to be me and I don't know if I can approve of this
Bellaphant:
NotAScum: obvious LAMIST name bears scrutiny
Bingle: talks a lot
SzmarzLeek: not trying hard enough to throw people out of windows while cackling about how towny he is
gob: obvious thief is obvious"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Because basically every post contains pontification about Mafia theory and not a whole lot else? It's awkward for sure. So, so consistently awkward I was starting to lean towards it maybe just being a playstyle thing. I'm certainly not opposed to a wagon there again though, could be a wolf playstyle thing.
VOTE: NotAScum"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Hey, get your own joke material; I already wore that one out!In post 274, Doctor Drew wrote:
Wait, would they lie so blatantly in their username like that??In post 266, gob wrote: VOTE: NotAscum
Alright everyone hop on this wagon. This is a wolf most likely;"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Glad I'm not the only one who had some confusion there"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Maybe role names shouldn't be allowed in usernames"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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That's not even a role name, mech fail!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Cool, my PoE got smaller.
At least, I think that was part of my PoE.
Meh, I'll pay attention to this game eventually."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Counterproductive, sending things to 5p elo probably not a high win rate for usIn post 321, gob wrote: Aureal will die today
I'll probably be doing another read of this game in the next day or so, now that my blitz game that was taking up approximately 87.3647% of my headspace is over; maybe I'll come up with totally different thoughts
I really wasn't kidding about my Leek read though y'know. His vibes are just waaaaay off what they were in the game we played before. It was his first game here so maybe his playstyle has shifted; but it's rather concerning because he just bled self-righteous towniness to me in that game and this feels like someone taking that and smoothing it down to 70% intensity so it doesn't actually draw so much attention."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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This is par for the course"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Oh no, there is like a 0.0000% chance that you caught me!In post 332, gob wrote: anytime people use percentages they r scum"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Okay... so my re-read is progressing...
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Leek posts a tr on Wisp, and now knowing that Wisp is town I feel like it might be a pocket. A few posts later, Gypyx comments that it seems like a pocket. So +townpoints Gypyx, also +slight partner equity with Leek for seeing that without knowing Wisp is town
NAS is already voting Leek here, and Bingle comes in for a first bit of serious posting by pressing Gypyx about cognitive dissonance on a post where she had (pretty obviously) used the opposite word of what she meant then corrected herself in the next post. When that correction is pointed out, Bingle doesn't back down but instead skeptically asks her to explain her worldview. Potential chainsaw (I think that's what it's called?) defense of Leek
Page 5: Nora points out that Bingle seems like he was defending Leek...
...well now I just feel slow and should probably get some sleep"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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This game just really makes me sleepy for some reason and I don't know why. Other than that I've been lacking sleep lately I guess.
What were you referring to here?In post 148, Bingle wrote: There’s been a lot of answering for other people and leading questions that make me feel all nasty inside."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Trying to struggle through a bit more rereading and I'll cite this as an example of my Leek vibecheck:
1) I had Nora's thought too, soIn post 160, SzmarzLeek wrote:
that's a very naive thought to makeIn post 104, Nora. wrote: I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?
I don't like that you had this thought
scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game
2) It's really hard to see the Leek from our past game saying "scumreading me is fine", it sounds like trying to be reasonable rather than attention grabbing. Leek in that game was all about "hahahaha I'm so obviously town!!!""Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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???In post 386, Bingle wrote:
Don’t really think this is S/S though.In post 356, Gypyx wrote: Aureal really is SCANNING these posts
I don't even understand what is attempting to be conveyed here by Gypyx"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I'm realizing that I was apparently suspicious to both dead townies so I'm a little surprised that there's been absolutely no movement towards me here in this gamestate. Maybe scum want a non-gob townie to start it so they have someone to sus for a bad push next. Or maybe Drew is scum so they realize trying to come at me already is just gonna blow up in their face."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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This entire sequence still confuses me. Leek is reading gob backwards here.In post 211, gob wrote:
yeaIn post 209, SzmarzLeek wrote:you mean, you have a metaread? Bella is more inclined to not care about game if they don't roll a scum?
because in my experience, not knowing the meta, it's townies that are doing that in more cases"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I don't understand this post. Who is it even directed at?In post 349, Bingle wrote: I feel like I should be obvtown, given both the mechanical and fun deficiency in the nightkill. As such, there are now 3 functional conftown so we’re looking pretty good for a PoE solve.
Why should I be townreading you?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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You were on-wagon and I assume we shouldn't be considering you part of the pool. So 3 is smaller than 3?In post 380, gob wrote: I've analyzed the wagon from day one.
Given the fact Will O' was killed, I think the three people off-wagon (Nora, Gypx, and Bingle) look really bad.
I will LOOK into their isos from here forward. Going on-wagon we have 4 people iirc as the pool, maybe its 3 cant remember. But I think its safe to hunt off-wagon here judging from the will o' night kill. (Mafia wouldn't kill on the main-wagon if 2 of the mafia are on it. Aka probably 1 maf on 1 maf off. And off-pool is smaller)
So im saying right now that everyone should focus on those 3 people for the lim today. I haven't read any of today's discussion btw. So if you were being sussed and you're not nora gypx or bingle, then you are off the hook 4 today my friend."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Why do you think scum would be frozen here?In post 389, gob wrote: Everyone pile on gpyx, im half convinced they're frozen rn lol"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Okay, sureIn post 395, Doctor Drew wrote:
Lol, I don't know what makes you think I would be scared to come after you in a world where you were town and I was scumIn post 390, Aureal wrote: I'm realizing that I was apparently suspicious to both dead townies so I'm a little surprised that there's been absolutely no movement towards me here in this gamestate. Maybe scum want a non-gob townie to start it so they have someone to sus for a bad push next. Or maybe Drew is scum so they realize trying to come at me already is just gonna blow up in their face."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Wow, now I'm starting to think you're just trying to shut me down with negativity, lest I actually get into this game.In post 401, Bingle wrote:
Gypyx pointed out that your analysis of me questioning her was very surface level and missed a lot of thread nuance (like the whole part where we already discussed what I hoped to gain through that and it wasn't a defensive sequence at all), and I don't think that scum calls out their partner for surface level analysis or that scum doesn't really look at the circumstances for their partners interactions in this gamestate. Thus, the two of you are probably not scum together.In post 388, Aureal wrote:
???In post 386, Bingle wrote:
Don’t really think this is S/S though.In post 356, Gypyx wrote: Aureal really is SCANNING these posts
I don't even understand what is attempting to be conveyed here by Gypyx
Gypyx didn't point out shit, you're answering for her (after wringing your hands earlier about people answering for others )
Speaking of 'surface level' analysis, I guess you missed that I wasn't calling Gypyx out at all there except for a faint possibility of TMI about Wisp's alignment?? It was you and Leek I was expressing suspicion about in that post.
VOTE: Bingle"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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What does 'pinned' mean?In post 408, gob wrote:
What are they supposed to do when they're pinned?In post 406, Aureal wrote:
Why do you think scum would be frozen here?In post 389, gob wrote: Everyone pile on gpyx, im half convinced they're frozen rn lol
And yes, I'm sus of Leek, have you read my posts?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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It's true that Drew is not doing much and it's hard to get much of a read on him as a result. Have you played with Drew before, is there something in particular that makes you think him being lazy with his vote is likely scum?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Okay, I originally thought maybe your read on him was meta-based, the way you were phrasing it earlier in 331. I guess I was also slightly misreading that post though. At this point I'm slightly townreading Drew for the way he's engaging with this, but it's not the firmest of reads."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Do you have a read on Leek?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Okay, it's honestly a little baffling that you're so hard on Drew for voting a slot you maaaaaaaaybe have a read on."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Maybe vote Leek then?In post 426, Gypyx wrote:
I can totally see drew's behaviour today as a poor attempt to create distance with his partner, i'd even argue it makes more sense than drew trying to do that to town!leek in a poor attempt to steer today's exe towards himIn post 425, Aureal wrote: Okay, it's honestly a little baffling that you're so hard on Drew for voting a slot you maaaaaaaaybe have a read on."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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A fruit roll up?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I think we're both townIn post 446, gob wrote:
Another non-focused post. I really think you're scum and Nora is town.In post 443, Aureal wrote: A fruit roll up?
And Nora has a point about the nk- I kinda felt like that was a mason-hunting shot."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Wow, you really are trying to be meIn post 449, Gypyx wrote:
i'm basically oscillating between thinking i'm the best and just need to push harder and thinking i'm the worst and that i'll end up being wrong regardless
being aggro also just makes me feel better about things"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Oh yes of course, saying people are giving surface reads is in no way telling them they're bad and should stfuIn post 458, Bingle wrote:
I’m not trying to shut you down in the slightest.In post 409, Aureal wrote:
Wow, now I'm starting to think you're just trying to shut me down with negativity, lest I actually get into this game.
Gypyx didn't point out shit, you're answering for her (after wringing your hands earlier about people answering for others )
Speaking of 'surface level' analysis, I guess you missed that I wasn't calling Gypyx out at all there except for a faint possibility of TMI about Wisp's alignment?? It was you and Leek I was expressing suspicion about in that post.
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Gypyx accused you of scanning, aka not reading in depth, which checks out but isn’t necessarily a smoking gun. And you were specifically asking about my antipartner read, so
And no, I didn’t think you were at the head of the lim Gypyx brigade. It’s also irrelevant to the antipartner read.
Again, this is all your interpretation of a nonsensical comment by Gypyx which she isn't elaborating upon.
And I have no idea what the rest of that about your antipartner read even means and at this point I'm too annoyed to bother spending more time trying to figure out if there is any sensible meaning."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Why is killing IC gob good, he's not exactly showing signs of leading town to a resounding victory XDIn post 478, Gypyx wrote:
on top of what enchant said it also has the benefit of not allowing the mason partner to keep his reads hidden, so killing IC is good (especially IC gob)In post 471, Bingle wrote: Hey gypyx, can you explain why the gob kill is mechanically the best?
pedit : stop pediting everyone"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Yeah, I know they need to get at least one of the IC or the mason by 3p elo obviously. I dunno that going after him N1 is necessary though."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Who even gives a crap about 'serious pressure' or whatever? I barely even remember what this argument is about in the first place, you're trying to go all over the place with it. I had a thought about there being a partner defense during my re-read and commented on it. And you jumped at me using Gypyx's post as a way to prop up your argument to start being insulting and take down the thought that I had. I don't buy into these "oh of course scum wouldn't try to defend their partner on day 1 no matter how subtly hahaha what a silly thought" arguments so if that's what you wanna argue with me you're wasting your time. And you're the one lacking in critical reading here, trying to attack me for not knowing while reading page 5 that there's going to be more conversation on that subject on the next page. Not that the next page did anything to change my opinion when I got there.In post 530, Bingle wrote: Pretty clearly not any sort of serious pressure on Gypyx, but rather a direct defense of leek (not a chainsaw), an attempt to figure out gypyx’s thought process, and something that had literally already been explained as that the next page. What does this indicate other than a lack of critical reading as to what was going on there?
Yeah I have a bit of a hard time believing you believe that.As far as an attempt to shut your engagement down… it would be far more effective to just not engage with you if I didn’t want you producing content."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Why do you think I'm likely to be town?In post 536, Gypyx wrote:
I think Aureal has pretty high chances of being town, and even then i'm more confident to let her alive than nothingburgers 1 and 2In post 534, Bingle wrote: My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.
Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Aren't you?In post 537, gob wrote: im not sure why people arent following me"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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And why do you think Gypyx wouldn't be scum with either of us?In post 534, Bingle wrote: My solve atm is enchant aureal, but I’m open to being wrong on aureal.
Drew is nothingburger, Nora is solid town and you’re probs not scum with enchant or aureal"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Excessively performative. This is scum.In post 584, gob wrote: NOOOOOO BINGLE"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I've got a default 66% chance of voting scum, you've only got 50%In post 585, gob wrote: Anyway
Sorry to all the town players who want to have their own thoughts and stuff,
But, unfortunately after yesterday and the death of Bingle, I will be controlling this town entirely and deciding the lim for today.
I understand if people do not want to blindly follow me. But i urge everyone to follow me somewhat since its pretty clear from the lim and NK that scum has full control of this game state."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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You stole my jokes first!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Now you're stealing my questions too??"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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When and why did you think this?In post 590, Gypyx wrote:
Aureal i thought she was mason but like clearly she isn't so i'll try to look again here"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Wow, not only are you only wishing Drew good morning, but you think there's more than one of him? Cold.In post 605, gob wrote: GOOD MORNING SIRS"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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You've been defending me the whole game though, since gob started that wagon. Just like you've defended an awful lot of players who've since flipped town. It's like you just knew they were town, and could just do stuff like brush off NAS's scumminess as playstyle. Meanwhile, I've just been wrong about basically everything I've expressed any level of confidence in.In post 609, Gypyx wrote:
gob immediatly unvoting your wagon when you got into actual kill range is what made me think of it first, and i thought your wishy washyness came from a place of self-preservationIn post 600, Aureal wrote:
When and why did you think this?In post 590, Gypyx wrote:
Aureal i thought she was mason but like clearly she isn't so i'll try to look again here
You also just let me spar with Bingle over his interpretation of your post about me rather than clarify anything. That's feeling a lot like scum glad to sit back and let townies fight, rather than town who would hopefully be motivated to try to clarify their words.
It's also not lost on me that the day suddenly ended just after I asked why you were townreading me. If you're partnered with Nora that hammer makes a lot of sense as a way to avoid having to talk about that while you were the counterwagon and I'm showing signs that I might be moving towards it."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Drew are you actually taking the obvious joke seriously?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Gypyx, you don't seem to have any desire to actually talk to me about any specifics. I made a reasonably detailed post elaborating on my suspicions of you and all I'm getting in return is "lol u scummy." Oh, and some AtE that you may well know could possibly make me balk."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Really? It seemed like gob agreed with my train of thought and you're just throwing reasonless shade at it. It feels very positional, like you expect to go down here but you're still hoping if you just make bad attacks it'll still look like we could be partnered because you wouldn't want to actually tear down your partner."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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No, I'm saying you seem to be making intentionally bad attacks because
1) you don't have much in the way of a good response to give because you didn't actually have a thought process there to explain; and
2) if you were still able to come up with good-looking responses it would make us both look townier to interact with each other discussing them, but you're probably going down anyway and don't want me to look townier because I'm not your partner
If you were town here I'd think you'd want to try to explain things if I've misunderstood them and try to find me. You're just shutting me out without any explanation."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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