Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

blegh

[DkKoba]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Why would scum!JV be panicking here?

there's been some level of suspicion tossed around for their approach so far from a few people

I wouldn't call it panicking though but rather just logical inconsistency.

do you think what they're saying about ketchup is reasonable? Do you think what I'm saying wrt ketchups overall play makes ketchup town, or what?

I'm barely being pressured lmfao, if you think this is going to break me then you're insulting my skill

i literally said in the same post that i dont think you were panicking while also citing a potential plausibility if it were panicking

im more trying to play Jenga by removing plausibility for arguments that I think that, if scum, would be used to push incorrect conclusions.

I think Ketchup is fairly obviously town IMO and I want to force arguments, that if they are scum, to embody their entire play rather than small specifics.

[JacksonVirgo]

Then do that instead of telling me what to do

[ketchup777]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

[JacksonVirgo]

Like, I know you're a player to try and play things optimally (basing off your infrequent comments of my play in a past games spec chat I forget, so if I'm wrong forgive) but I wanna play the way I wanna play. Making these comments aren't going to change what I do, so just do them yourself or you're just wasting your breath

[JacksonVirgo]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

It's NAI

[ketchup777]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

It's NAI

i know you have more experience than me but i'm sure you can't immediately write it off as NAI. lots of things have

some

alignment hint

not permanently ignoring your colours post btw just procrastinating

[DkKoba]

Then do that instead of telling me what to do

maybe make better arguments that arent hyperfocusing small parts of someones play then lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, back off. I tried to tell you to fuck off respectfully

[ketchup777]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

oh yeah also what I don't understand what you're trying to say Titus

[ketchup777]

Oh, back off. I tried to tell you to fuck off respectfully

So when I try to disengage from you it's a problem, but when Koba minipushes you they have to disengage?

[JacksonVirgo]

They're telling me my push is shit because they think their way is better, that isn't a minipush.

[JacksonVirgo]

not permanently ignoring your colours post btw just procrastinating

I figured

[JacksonVirgo]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

could be wifom but i think Koba confessing this is towny

It's NAI

i know you have more experience than me but i'm sure you can't immediately write it off as NAI. lots of things have

some

alignment hint

not permanently ignoring your colours post btw just procrastinating

Comparing experience is a lil silly, I can still be an absolute dumbass but I don't see how that is townie

[DkKoba]

My entire point was that it's NAI because I like to make my scum and town meta overlap

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway

[ketchup777]

It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.

It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out.

I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference.

I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.

In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy.

So it's essentially NAI in your head and

yet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots?

Assuming a traitor before anything else

and then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and

this is a consistent behaviour with you this game.

Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.

Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game

Ok, response attempt 2.

Whether you scumread me or whether you're mafia, you're tunneling me. If you think it's justified, sure you do you (you're wrong tho). But you can't deny you're tunneling me.

Feels like you've got one theory (I'm mafia) and morphing everything to it. I think confbiasing is the appropriate term?

This is true. But the 'unsorted' category was more of a 'not a clue' category, so I have slightly more reasons to put you as mafia than as town, hence the 'top suspects' list which was maybe a bit of a misnomer.

Last time I was only able to really catch OutWorldEr by the fact that he had to be scum in every possible scenario. Obviously there are wayyyyy too many other possible scenarios right now, but, yes, I have 2 theories right now and you're scum in both of them. That's more than 'unsorted'.

I stole the idea off somebody else. Why not go after them?

I thought you said lots of my posts had been townie by tone...(Yes this one's a weak point on my end)

pedit: didn't read any of the posts made after writing this

What do you consider the difference? It's easy to label something as a tunnel when you don't like it. Do that for me.

I've been trying to sort you, seeing scummy things from you that outweight the townie things and thus came to the conclusion you're a wolf. Conf-biasing would be the term if I were conf-biasing which I am not doing, the game is still fresh and I'm making my arguments only for you to immediately try and discount them by labelling them as a tunnel or conf-bias instead of actually acknowledging them.

I will come back to this

Give me your whole scum tier, in order and with reasoning for each even if massively simplified.

Because I'm talking about YOUR reads dude, I don't care who came up with them. You're utilising them to the highest degree

I did because it's true, what does that have to do with what I said there?

what? I'm saying both count as tunnelling. If you mean how do you tell the difference between a scum tunnel and a town tunnel, I don't know. Just hope scum slips up a few times and uses flimsy arguments or something I guess.

"Conf-biasing would be the term if I were conf-biasing". mmmmm very helpful LMAO.
Anyways, why do you keep saying I'm not acknowledging them. I

am

trying to acknowledge them.

Ok.

1) scummy gal

Ranger:

have already explained. lack of reads lists among a couple other things is a bit sus.

2) not as scummy gal

Titus:

Titus has jumped up suddenly because it seems like she is low-efforting this game, but then again she did do that last time so idkk. But she is also on me. As I know lots of people (e.g. Hu Tao, Koba) are able to confidently townread me, votes on me are always a bit weird.

3) bronze medal

JV:

I don't know. Feels like you're tryharding to get me limmed if you know I might be a threat to you later on. But you're not top of the list.

yes, Black and Koba are not up there for now anymore.

Yes, you're talking about my reads. You're tunneling. I have nothing to hide though so it'll be like policemen banging down my door without a search warrant and then saying that they found a chocolate wrapper under the sofa that means I've committed 7 felonies, 4 heists and 6 kidnappings.

I meant, if you've "seen many posts of yours that [you] would deem townie purely by tone", it doesn't fully add up with "It doesn't feel like a genuine thought and this is a consistent behaviour with you[Ketchup] this game."

pedit: didn't read any pedits and I refuse to engage any further with you Jackson today.

[ketchup777]

They're telling me my push is shit because they think their way is better, that isn't a minipush.

That seems like a bit of an extreme way to frame it, but ok.

[ketchup777]

My entire point was that it's NAI because I like to make my scum and town meta overlap

I know. I'm just going off faint instincts.

[ketchup777]

I'm not going to look at the thread for 5 hours or so. final mock exam tomorrow may as well not flunk it.

[Black]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

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