Mini Theme 2328: Death Note: Second Page. Day 3!

[Aureal]

we could just flip freedom

lets do it and then freak out when too many people wanna do it

OK, Gimli is town.

[Aureal]

No, I'm using it to say you shouldn't be cleared for bad invalid reasons and you're getting super combative over it

Are you actually scumreading Rat? I think they're pretty likely to be town.

I don't know? I feel like the reasons for Rat seeming town aren't that valid. It doesn't help that I know they're hard pushing town through. Why do you read them town here?

Well, for one, my experience with Rat is that they are a very proactive and assertive player who's willing to take a strong unothodox position and defend it. So I don't think it's scummy at all for Rat to be doing that here. I was feeling more cautious of them for a while after townreading them earlyish because I also believed in you being town so I couldn't quite find their thoughts. We've played together a couple of time and had a large amount of similar thoughts so getting out of sync was worrying me somewhat, but I'm definitely coming back around to seeing where their head is, albeit having come by a slightly different route.

[Aureal]

Ok I told my hydra pals but I have designated some time on Sunday to read this game and solve it

Kira better watch the fuck out

-Black

HI BLACK I FORGOT TO POCKET YOU THIS GAME

SORRY IF THAT AFFECTED YOUR ENJOYMENT OF IT

[Aureal]

ig this one is a little more split on Freedom than it thought because these could be player issues and not alignment issues but... idk

I'm seeing exactly what I'd expect from Freedom here, it's just how he plays.

[Freedom]

am busy today.
will catch up later.

[Freedom]

I'm also going to check if hpe is an anxious type of player as town.

You said last day you were going to check if HPE is an anxious type of player as town and you never did a follow up on your read on HPE. What's your read on HPE now?

- A

I ended up busier than expected with rl so I still need to finish my research.
Sorry.

[Little Will o' Wisp]

My PoE is Gimli, Radical Rat and Freedom. I'm pretty sure Kira is among their number.

Are these three your Kira suspects? On 571 you gave a non-Kira list that had Gimli and Drew(aka Freedom) as a non-Kira and what changed for you to put Gimli and Freedom in the poe of being Kira?

- A

That's a great question.

[Little Will o' Wisp]

*stares wordlessly*

[Little Will o' Wisp]

Ok, to be fair, Gimli dropped from my PoE since them.

As for how I was able to narrow it down to Rat and Freedom, I'll just sit on it for a while.

But I promise to tell it before Sunday. Klick, you should probably do that too.

[CUDDLE TIME]

I need to see progression on these reads. Your posts from today are not matching on what you were saying from last day.

- A

[Aureal]

Confusion abounds

[Aureal]

Anyway Klick is still making me want to townread him so I'm looking closer at HPE, as the next most plausible Kira for Cuddle. It seems like HPE Kira with Cuddle and Drew/Freedom followers is a viable solve. In reviewing his iso, Drew did a fair bit of soft defense of HPE, and it didn't really stick out because it came after HPE got the early heat; which gives me some vibes of Drew realizing that wagon is gonna blow over anyhow so waiting to be dismissive of it is going to be more effective cover. And Hu Tao I can't rule out as HPE follower, she did engage with HPE rather critically but it also comes off rather stiff and she never tried to actually push HPE. So less likely than Drew but possible.

[Gimli]

was hu tao drew's follower?

the more I read hu tao the more I suspect we might have hit a follower. while I understand that hu tao's personality when playing mafia might play a role in this perception, the following vibe check fits well. she was fine with flipping herself and wasn't resistant, also going with the flow of the threadstate most of the time, not waving the game in any direction (which is just what happens when kira isn't in danger and you're a follower ig).

while that doesn't amount to much, let's check how hu tao approached drew: spoke to him only once, and I'll quote what the interaction was, and had a townread on drew with no progression, that amounted to one liners being stated at different times in the game:

In the last games, I don't remember you acting this way as town. Maybe I need to relook.

You don't remember Aureal being defensive?

Not like this. But I guess in that game she was role-playing as a bird

thats their only interaction I think, from hu tao's part anyway.

I'm thinking Drew is town so far

first one liner post about town drew

This game has so much information packed into 17 pages it's making my head spin. Sorry, I don't have time to detangle it right now.

However, it wouldn't hurt to give an ordered list based on feels.

From town to scum: Cuddle, Klick, Erinys, Gimli, Aureal, Tao, Dan, Rat, Drew.

This seems contradicting. So much information that you don't have time to go through it, yet you're able to give a reads list in order.

pushes back at someone that has drew as the scummiest

Hi Kira, I am your loyal follower. Please do not kill me at night. Thank you.

this is signaling, fwiw.

Drew I think might be town too. Unsure

again with the one liner

Other 2 votes on me. Unsure. I think Drew slot is town based on questions they had earlier but that's a weak read

again with the one liner


so the first thing I should note is that when the player returns to a stance over and over again, without adding anything new to it, that's scummy. it means the player doesn't have enough investigative memory or depth in the game because she is not trying to solve it.

the last one liner defence of drew is awkward, and I think its placed there because hu tao had to make a position that meant she would not self pres on drew if push came to shove. that's the worst part, I imagine, of playing follower, and the one thing your dying follower slot needs to take care of, not to spew kira as kira.

give me feedback on this, people

[Klick]

I'll read this when I get home but I like what you're cooking

[Radical Rat]

What if, purely hypothetically, it were to be confirmed that Hu Tao wasn't a Follower?

Who would you view as Kira then, Gimli?

[Gimli]

What if, purely hypothetically, it were to be confirmed that Hu Tao wasn't a Follower?

Who would you view as Kira then, Gimli?

you're softing autopsy or check out - the problem being that I can't trust either and it would advance a hu tao/RR/drew solve instead

but let's say you are town and you have a piece of information that clears hu tao, meaning we likely have a game with 2 followers 1 kira

say I keep my townreads (aureal and cuddle) and work with hpe/klick/freedom/wisp

we all know whats up with wisp so we'd turn to a hpe/klick/freedom solve

I think drew can work as a follower to a kira klick, but its unlikely that klick and hpe work with freedom as kira

either way I think the best chance of kira would be in klick, with hpe and freedom as followers

[Gimli]

both of the likely solves have freedom as scum, btw

[Gimli]

tho if drew is klick's follower than there's a massive amount of distancing that I don't know if happens between kira and follower

I'll check it the other way around works

[Gimli]

nah klick and drew are simply unaligned

[Gimli]

nah klick and drew are simply unaligned

unaligned as in not scumming together

they could be both town

[Radical Rat]

To be clear, I don't actually have a result yet. I'd written off Hu Tao as Town because of the circumstances of their elimination, and was hoping to save it for someone I actually questioned... but your point wrt Drew seems plausible, and I have Check-out rather than autopsy, so waiting is just going to make the results harder to interpret.

I'll get back to you once Enchant gets back to me.

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