Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[DragonEater70]

2.07

Votecount 2.07

light_ganski (3): usesPython, Titus, Black
Titus (2): Ranger, Enchant
ketchup777 (1): JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (1): Hu Tao

Not Voting (4): light_ganski, Doctor Drew, ketchup777, Political Clout

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-14 01:04:13).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Ranger]

I feel like the game can be nearly entirely broken by looking at the current claims compared to End of Day actions, as well as looking for the pre-heavy-cop play.

I’ll be busy today, yet plan to investigate tomorrow.

For now, I’ll say I’m sure Enchant is town.

I'd prefer to not specify why at this time. I believe it very strongly; he tops my town charts for good reason.

The reason being I didn’t want him dead.

[Black]

Strongly leaning pc scum as well.

Why?

[Titus]

Strongly leaning pc scum as well.

Why?

Reaction to the wagon, withdraw and revote, doesn't suggest they're a cop. Plus, scum would know if one or any was a godparent.

[Ranger]

I feel like the game can be nearly entirely broken by looking at the current claims compared to End of Day actions, as well as looking for the pre-heavy-cop play.

I’ll be busy today, yet plan to investigate tomorrow.

are we thinking massclaim? because I think not, if we get another night of results I think this becomes more realistic

No, not massclaim. Actually the opposite.

Assume:
Scum have 1-3 Godfathers, unannounced being the broken Normal rule;
Scum knew or otherwise deduced the setup was nearly entirely cops;
Every actual Town Cop believed they were the only Cop on D1;
Scum, knowing this, would try to fake a perspective of being the only Cop, yet at some point likely slipped in knowing there’s more;
Check if investigations line up with perspectives above.

Assume everyone who has claimed is a normal Cop until proven otherwise, as to avoid a need for massclaim.

Just in case there’s limited Godfathers, cross-reference checks to see viable teams with 1 Godfather and 2. (3 is anyone and everyone can be paired.)

However, since we don’t know the number of Godfathers, don’t limit eliminations to assuming so.

[Ranger]

Ranger a lot of your ISO seems like "raising hypotheticals that all lead to titus"

Yes, perhaps read why.

I believe I have caught a Perspective Slip from Titus (actually two, yet the D2 one by far the bigger), which gives away she’s Scum who knew this was an all-Cops game before any other player.

The hypotheticals as you label them are me trying to guide you through the slip until such a time as I can explain clearly what it was.

[Ranger]

{Enchant}
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{Political Clout}
{ketchup777}
{Hu Tao}
{Black}
{UsesPython}
{JacksonVirgo}
{light_ganski}
{Doctor Drew}
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{Titus}

This is where I’m at rn.

Enchant conftown via being our obligatory VT, Titus hardscum from her perspective slip.

[Ranger]

In my heart of hearts, I fear a {Titus, Doctor Drew, usesPython} team is the most likely team, but I hold out hope of Python being town and the third scum being among the others.

[Titus]

Then you can explain these so called slips like I'm 5. Now, it looks like panic.

[Titus]

In my heart of hearts, I fear a {Titus, Doctor Drew, usesPython} team is the most likely team, but I hold out hope of Python being town and the third scum being among the others.

This team doesn't make sense with your reads. You completely skip over Jackson and light.

[Doctor Drew]

In my heart of hearts, I fear a {Titus, Doctor Drew, usesPython} team is the most likely team, but I hold out hope of Python being town and the third scum being among the others.

You should fear that scum team, but alas is not the case

[ketchup777]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

[ketchup777]

Wait 4 people on me.

Who even thought checking me is good idea, if i am mafia i most likely policied anyway and if i am town, you need to take my potato head in consideration as conftown. I don't really get what you were thinking.

I thought getting info on a slot with no posts made sense

[ketchup777]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

The rules definitely don’t say there is at least one VT, however i am curious as to whether this would count as the one thing breaking the rules or not (obviously it might not be applicable but worth checking)

[ketchup777]

I SWEAR READING COMPLEX RULES IS MORE COMPLEX THAN PLAYING COMPLEX GAMES.

This is true

Yep the wording is ambiguoussss

[ketchup777]

Anyway, we need to coordinate our cops incase scum have 1+ non-godfathers. but also it’s possible mafia have a roleblock (tho no one claimed roleblock last night yet). I’d like to wait until light claims before I suggest some ideas

I've claimed investigative and I'd prefer not to claim further today

What are your ideas ketchup?

ok, again, no one reveal whether you’re a standard cop or not, but has anyone crumbed being a cop? I know day 1 was cut short but a crumb could be helpful. I’ll start in a sec when I’m at PC

[DragonEater70]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

As far as I am aware, all Normal games require some VTs.

[ketchup777]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

As far as I am aware, all Normal games require some VTs.

Thank you!

So the most likely rule break is godfathers, but it’s possible we have no VTs

[ketchup777]

Enchant is not

actually

confirmed town though. It’s possible they’re scum and a VT decided to fake being a cop

[usesPython]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

As far as I am aware, all Normal games require some VTs.

Thank you!

So the most likely rule break is godfathers, but it’s possible we have no VTs

If we have no VTs then Enchant is still mechanically globally conftown from the 3 cop innos on him by JV/Python/Ketchup since you'd need to announce Godfather if the rulebreak was 0 VTs

[ketchup777]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

As far as I am aware, all Normal games require some VTs.

Thank you!

So the most likely rule break is godfathers, but it’s possible we have no VTs

If we have no VTs then Enchant is still mechanically globally conftown from the 3 cop innos on him by JV/Python/Ketchup since you'd need to announce Godfather if the rulebreak was 0 VTs

ah yes, you're correct! that's nice

[JacksonVirgo]

@mod would no VTs violate normal regulations?

As far as I am aware, all Normal games require some VTs.

Thank you!

So the most likely rule break is godfathers, but it’s possible we have no VTs

If we have no VTs then Enchant is still mechanically globally conftown from the 3 cop innos on him by JV/Python/Ketchup since you'd need to announce Godfather if the rulebreak was 0 VTs

ah yes, you're correct! that's nice

0 VTs is allowed in complex normals

[Political Clout]

Why do work when you can get other people to do it for you

because I'm not the one making stuff up about what I did.

We play from memory and misremember sometimes

VOTE: usespython scum tactic tbh.

[JacksonVirgo]

But that does mod confirm a VT to exist, so that’s fun

[ketchup777]

But that does mod confirm a VT to exist, so that’s fun

Assuming there are godfathers which does seem very very likely