Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[Alianna]

2.23

Votecount 2.23

Titus (E-2): Ranger, Enchant, Black, JacksonVirgo
Black (2): Doctor Drew, Titus
light_ganski (2): Hu Tao, Political Clout
Ranger (1): light_ganski
Political Clout (1): usesPython

Not Voting (1): ketchup777

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-14 01:04:13).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Ranger]

And my question to Titus about how would they act as town cop......well, I still would prefer a reponse from her, then we can examine her response

I still owe you this, to subsidize this;

this was Titus's first post of the day.

Ranger's not scum.
There's got to be a catch.

No fewer than 3 cops

in a game. Wtf

Titus

immediately

claimed third cop, and said there must be a catch, claiming an innocent on me.

Why would

Titus

, infamous for keeping cards close to her chest unless absolutely necessary, claim Cop

unprompted

, and out her innocent with zero pressure on

either her or her target

? She had no votes, I had no votes, both were under minimal suspicion.

From the perspective of a town-Titus

, why (out)?

At the time she claimed

, it was fully possible

she was the only living investigative left

.

A scum-Titus gave it away with the bolded part, the true key. "no fewer than 3 cops".

Why did Titus assume there were

no fewer than

three cops, instead of

at least

three

?

That's the perspective slip.

This is Titus's first D2 post as a 1x Cop, specifically a JOAT. One of her JOAT powers was a protective, and this is how she hinted at it.

That's not the best example.
This is a much better one. Look at how subtle her breadcrumb is. This is her hint as to being an investigative. She was a cop activated N3 onwards, and her first post of D3 gave a

subtle

result, with her promising to break the game.

As a cop-adjacent role, Titus gave this as her opener to D2. I realize nonconsecutive Tracker/Follower isn't a Cop, yet in

Titus's

perspective, she would see it as so, and treat it appropriately powerfully. She further hinted in her next posts. Not explicit, yet still implied.

It's tedious to track down every instance of Titus receiving a cop or cop-like role. These should be sufficient to show the trait.

[Ranger]

Just to nail importance, not hammering.

You can hammer Titus instead. <3

[ketchup777]

this was Titus's first post of the day.

Ranger's not scum.
There's got to be a catch.

No fewer than 3 cops

in a game. Wtf

Titus

immediately

claimed third cop, and said there must be a catch, claiming an innocent on me.

Why would

Titus

, infamous for keeping cards close to her chest unless absolutely necessary, claim Cop

unprompted

, and out her innocent with zero pressure on

either her or her target

? She had no votes, I had no votes, both were under minimal suspicion.

From the perspective of a town-Titus

, why (out)?

At the time she claimed

, it was fully possible

she was the only living investigative left

.

A scum-Titus gave it away with the bolded part, the true key. "no fewer than 3 cops".

Why did Titus assume there were

no fewer than

three cops, instead of

at least

three

?

That's the perspective slip.

This is the heart of it.

the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words

[light_ganski]

VOTE: Titus

E-1

I'll post properly tomorrow, but I'm happy enough w this lim

[ketchup777]

consider my vote on Titus for now but also I would never do her like that while she’s ill (I totally would but whatever)

Please return to voting her when you feel it's safe to. Though we need not end the day, she should be the lim today.

sure

[ketchup777]

Yeah, it's a slightly cursed role. I 100% believe there's both a miller and roleblocker out there so I can't trust any results

Wtf?

why did this make you u wtf titus

Also please respond to this when you can Titus

[usesPython]

Not hammering

[usesPython]

A scum-Titus gave it away with the bolded part, the true key. "no fewer than 3 cops".

Why did Titus assume there were

no fewer than

three cops, instead of

at least

three

?

Those statements are logically identical.
No fewer than three = three or more
At least three = three or more

[usesPython]

Three investigatives != Three cops, There's a difference between Cop/Cop/Disloyal Cop and Loyal Cop/Macho Nea/Weak Doctor/Mafia Roleblocker
Likewise everyone the same role != everyone cop, there's a difference between everyone being a joat with meh roles and everyone being an ungated cop

[usesPython]

From the perspective of a town-Titus

, why couldn't this have been a valid setup?

Spoiler: Hypothetical Setup

This is a Valid Normal setup

Town Disloyal Cop
Town Cop
Town Cop
Vanilla Townie x 7

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon x2

At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and kills

[ketchup777]

A scum-Titus gave it away with the bolded part, the true key. "no fewer than 3 cops".

Why did Titus assume there were

no fewer than

three cops, instead of

at least

three

?

Those statements are logically identical.
No fewer than three = three or more
At least three = three or more

yeah that’s what I thought too

[ketchup777]

From the perspective of a town-Titus

, why couldn't this have been a valid setup?

Spoiler: Hypothetical Setup

This is a Valid Normal setup

Town Disloyal Cop
Town Cop
Town Cop
Vanilla Townie x 7

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon x2

At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and kills

this one I can get behind, however it’s possible they had 2 ascetic mafia or something vs 3 cops

[ketchup777]

From the perspective of a town-Titus

, why couldn't this have been a valid setup?

Spoiler: Hypothetical Setup

This is a Valid Normal setup

Town Disloyal Cop
Town Cop
Town Cop
Vanilla Townie x 7

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon x2

At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and kills

this one I can get behind, however it’s possible they had 2 ascetic mafia or something vs 3 cops

with some ascetic townies thrown in for good measure

[ketchup777]

Proposed cop plan if Light gets hammered:

Ketchup+Jackson—> cop Hu Tao
Hu Tao+Black—> cop Jackson
Ranger+Titus—> cop Doctor Drew
usesPython+Doctor Drew —>cop Black
Political Clout—> cop Ketchup

resurfacing this, proposing sub light in where Titus was. Python‘s idea about all of us should initially claim to be a modifier cop at the start of the next day and cop 'who we want to' also has merit.

Python’s plan was:

—>if normal town cop according to the list
above
—> if modified cop, you can cop whoever you think you should
—> at the start of tomorrow, we all pretend/truly say that we are a modifier cop and copped someone else than who we were meant to.
—> unless we happened to get a guilty on the list check, then we should out that
—> if a town cop dies, we know for sure they had an inno on the list check. If you don’t come out without guilty on your list check, it’s assumed you got an inno or you are modifier cop

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ranger

[usesPython]

Lol, well Ranger is town.

VOTE: Titus

Awaiting her response

I disagree, I think Ranger would know better than to make these kinds of mech conflations

[ketchup777]

Proposed cop plan if Light gets hammered:

Ketchup+Jackson—> cop Hu Tao
Hu Tao+Black—> cop Jackson
Ranger+Titus—> cop Doctor Drew
usesPython+Doctor Drew —>cop Black
Political Clout—> cop Ketchup

resurfacing this, proposing sub light in where Titus was. Python‘s idea about all of us should initially claim to be a modifier cop at the start of the next day and cop 'who we want to' also has merit.

Python’s plan was:

—>if normal town cop according to the list
above
—> if modified cop, you can cop whoever you think you should
—> at the start of tomorrow, we all pretend/truly say that we are a modifier cop and copped someone else than who we were meant to.
—> unless we happened to get a guilty on the list check, then we should out that
—> if a town cop dies, we know for sure they had an inno on the list check. If you don’t come out without guilty on your list check, it’s assumed you got an inno or you are modifier cop

I tried to create pairings that I thought were unlikely to be paired. Hu Tao+Black were hard to place anywhere so I placed them together and hoped for the best

[Enchant]

python what is your read on Titus

Could be partnered with PC but we'd prefer to go PC before Titus cause the rest of her posting isn't bottom tier

Hm what changed

[usesPython]

python what is your read on Titus

Could be partnered with PC but we'd prefer to go PC before Titus cause the rest of her posting isn't bottom tier

Hm what changed

Nothing's changed on Titus's end. She's still mid tier posting with some PC associatives and we're still perfectly fine with going for PC, it's just ranger that dropped from bad to worse

[Enchant]

Okay..
UNVOTE:

I want hammer

[Titus]

Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town. She's wanting the whole day to focus on me. Like uses said, she's better than this. Ideally, people should have let me defend myself from Ranger's bogus case but still.

Uses, do you think there's any possibility of tunneled Ranger?

[Titus]

Ketchup, I'm vla on weekends generally and this one's no exception. Don't stall out the game. I've solved the game the best I can. I'm not an uber important role.

[Titus]

VLA this weekend

[Alianna]

VLA this weekend

Noted.