If ur scumreading me, u build out a case and argue to people about why i am scum.
I do the same to u, which i am doing now because this pretending u don't know whats going on, isn't townie.
ur questions aren't u building a case or arguing why i am scum
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
You and NAS had same draft number. Plus the way Dunn opened by voting NAS makes it even less likely,imo.
This is not bad thinking, I can see and have pondered whether scum might draft the same number for exactly this reason, but I dunno, that puts you late in the draft order and makes not getting a PR significantly higher.
Then again, they did choose informed, so ...
What does mafia choosing informed have to do with that? Also yea I agree that scum would do that play on purpose, but given how NAS and Dunn played early, I don't think thats as likely. I feel like we would've at least seen NAS cross vote Dunn. But im open for other intrepretations.
They chose informed rather than multitasking. So if a scummo or two didn't get a role, it's NBD because a vanilla goon can still night kill, was my assumption
If every scum is multitasking, they would try harder for PRs
This is assuming I understand the setup correctly, which, y'know, I have never claimed to be particularly smart
Where are your reads at Pavo
I think at their core both modifiers are there primarily to make a mechanical solve harder (this is, like, broadly philosophising, SS might be throwing rotten fruit in my rough direction)
When you say both modifiers, are you talking about informed vs multitasking?
I'm ready to townlock Dann mechanically for a while, and I wanna lim Gob today, partially on his play (did not like the hammer) and partially because if gob is town, scum never kills there, and we'll have to sort the slot sooner or later.
I vote sooner.
Uh Oblivion is still town, I'm still leaning town on you for weak reasons like I was d1, I still think May is towny.
As for the rest, I'm thinking more about the draft.
I like Dave's lolsolve of mafia going 1,2,3, but I think PP at 4 is a high candidate for a scum choice also. That makes my lim pool Fire, you, Brian, and PP. Oblivion has a low # but I feel it's town.
I dunno, I have a lot of thoughts about the draft but they're half-baked at best.
That lim pool has 2+ town in it (mechanically) and seems to include me who you already townread. I also feel like solving by the draft is really regressive at this point in the gamestate?
How do you feel about Jake? How do you feel about gob's alignment (fuck the draft)? Why do you have penguin has a reasonably high scum equity choice?
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2114, Oblivion wrote:
It is currently not voting Gob for the sake of fear of another quick hammer, it wishes to kill Gob regardless of claim except for perhaps Cop, but imagine it's full support on that.
There has to be at least one mafia outside of gob. Why aren't you voting to find them?
This sounds harsher than intended, its more a call to action than an accusation
In post 2113, Pavowski wrote:
P.S. Yes I know Gob isn't in that lim pool, but I still like my gob vote. I'm voting Gob on play; there's plenty of time to untangle the rest.
Fireb if this is it, it's dire. He puts a lim pool of 4 when there's 2 scum left alive, then says he's voting someone outside that pool "on play". I'm not asking him easy questions I'm trying to find out if he actually had any reads :p
You and NAS had same draft number. Plus the way Dunn opened by voting NAS makes it even less likely,imo.
This is not bad thinking, I can see and have pondered whether scum might draft the same number for exactly this reason, but I dunno, that puts you late in the draft order and makes not getting a PR significantly higher.
Then again, they did choose informed, so ...
so....what?
Like I think I get what you're getting at but I feel like it's such an abstract way to try and keep your reads open
What do you actually think?
I think it's really unlikely scum would choose the same numbers given that they chose informed. If I take that as a given, Dann may not be 100% mech cleared, but he's *pretty effing close*.
Isn't it the opposite? If you pick good draft numbers you get more info just by drafting the roles and don't need the complement information
In post 2114, Oblivion wrote:
It is currently not voting Gob for the sake of fear of another quick hammer, it wishes to kill Gob regardless of claim except for perhaps Cop, but imagine it's full support on that.
is there something you want to do while we are stalling the wagon train
It wants to read back over how the wagon on NAS formed from a secondary wagon to the primary wagon, and where that inflection point was. It thinks it is possible to determine who is scum based on this. It also wants to see what people's takes are BEFORE Gob flips, because it thinks that will impact how it solves.
This is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.
But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:
In post 2114, Oblivion wrote:
It is currently not voting Gob for the sake of fear of another quick hammer, it wishes to kill Gob regardless of claim except for perhaps Cop, but imagine it's full support on that.
There has to be at least one mafia outside of gob. Why aren't you voting to find them?
This sounds harsher than intended, its more a call to action than an accusation
Did you not pay attention on day 1? It cast one vote on day 1, for NAS. It is not a player for whom personality and pressure comes naturally. It recognizes the value of a vote but if all it can do is vote, it struggles to follow up on pressure. It prefers mental modeling, and that requires it to be somewhat neutral to mimic the mental state. As a result, it tends to... decide who it wants to kill, and vote them, as opposed to using votes as a weapon.
It understands that is perhaps a weakness in its game but it tries to use it as a strength.
This is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.
But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:
In post 2050, Firebringer wrote:
also don't want to hear anything about the speed of gob wagon is indicative that gob isn't scum here. There is only one other scum assuming gob is scum as well. Scum barely have ability to influence wagons here.
My take on this:
The speed of the Gob wagon is more indicative of the playerbase's general will to get rid of an annoying player (a policy axe, if you will) rather than any one team pushing for an axe.
I will say though that this assumption (that scum have little power to dictate wagons) only holds if scum are in the lurkers and not in the active players. If, as an example, Firebringer and Dave were both scum, then the wolves would have a huge influence over what wagons get pushed.
this is so wrong and i just don't see the point in arguing with u about it
Who knew that a example I choose specifically because they were generally townread and thus would be a poor example of scum could immediately revoke all of the towncred they had in my eyes.
In post 2114, Oblivion wrote:
It is currently not voting Gob for the sake of fear of another quick hammer, it wishes to kill Gob regardless of claim except for perhaps Cop, but imagine it's full support on that.
There has to be at least one mafia outside of gob. Why aren't you voting to find them?
This sounds harsher than intended, its more a call to action than an accusation
Did you not pay attention on day 1? It cast one vote on day 1, for NAS. It is not a player for whom personality and pressure comes naturally. It recognizes the value of a vote but if all it can do is vote, it struggles to follow up on pressure. It prefers mental modeling, and that requires it to be somewhat neutral to mimic the mental state. As a result, it tends to... decide who it wants to kill, and vote them, as opposed to using votes as a weapon.
It understands that is perhaps a weakness in its game but it tries to use it as a strength.
Best to assume I did not pay attention as a rule of thumb
In post 2114, Oblivion wrote:
It is currently not voting Gob for the sake of fear of another quick hammer, it wishes to kill Gob regardless of claim except for perhaps Cop, but imagine it's full support on that.
There has to be at least one mafia outside of gob. Why aren't you voting to find them?
This sounds harsher than intended, its more a call to action than an accusation
Did you not pay attention on day 1? It cast one vote on day 1, for NAS. It is not a player for whom personality and pressure comes naturally. It recognizes the value of a vote but if all it can do is vote, it struggles to follow up on pressure. It prefers mental modeling, and that requires it to be somewhat neutral to mimic the mental state. As a result, it tends to... decide who it wants to kill, and vote them, as opposed to using votes as a weapon.
It understands that is perhaps a weakness in its game but it tries to use it as a strength.
Best to assume I did not pay attention as a rule of thumb
Noted
Ah, that came across ruder than it intended it to. It was trying to point at it and thought it was something people would note on, not.... Apologies.
This is the law, written in the stars and seeds: in the end, all things must fail. They are old as the stars.
But not older.
And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:
You and NAS had same draft number. Plus the way Dunn opened by voting NAS makes it even less likely,imo.
This is not bad thinking, I can see and have pondered whether scum might draft the same number for exactly this reason, but I dunno, that puts you late in the draft order and makes not getting a PR significantly higher.
Then again, they did choose informed, so ...
What does mafia choosing informed have to do with that? Also yea I agree that scum would do that play on purpose, but given how NAS and Dunn played early, I don't think thats as likely. I feel like we would've at least seen NAS cross vote Dunn. But im open for other intrepretations.
They chose informed rather than multitasking. So if a scummo or two didn't get a role, it's NBD because a vanilla goon can still night kill, was my assumption
If every scum is multitasking, they would try harder for PRs
This is assuming I understand the setup correctly, which, y'know, I have never claimed to be particularly smart
Where are your reads at Pavo
I think at their core both modifiers are there primarily to make a mechanical solve harder (this is, like, broadly philosophising, SS might be throwing rotten fruit in my rough direction)
When you say both modifiers, are you talking about informed vs multitasking?
I'm ready to townlock Dann mechanically for a while, and I wanna lim Gob today, partially on his play (did not like the hammer) and partially because if gob is town, scum never kills there, and we'll have to sort the slot sooner or later.
I vote sooner.
Uh Oblivion is still town, I'm still leaning town on you for weak reasons like I was d1, I still think May is towny.
As for the rest, I'm thinking more about the draft.
I like Dave's lolsolve of mafia going 1,2,3, but I think PP at 4 is a high candidate for a scum choice also. That makes my lim pool Fire, you, Brian, and PP. Oblivion has a low # but I feel it's town.
I dunno, I have a lot of thoughts about the draft but they're half-baked at best.
That lim pool has 2+ town in it (mechanically) and seems to include me who you already townread. I also feel like solving by the draft is really regressive at this point in the gamestate?
How do you feel about Jake? How do you feel about gob's alignment (fuck the draft)? Why do you have penguin has a reasonably high scum equity choice?
Any pool of 4 is gonna have 2 town in it, what are you even trying to say? My town read on you is for not good reasons
Not really concerned with whether you like how I'm thinking about the game
Jake is null at best, Gob scum would not surprise me even a little bit, Penguin scum depends on my draft thoughts and a lot of WIFOM.
(I may or may not have been high when I typed this.)
In post 2114, Oblivion wrote:
It is currently not voting Gob for the sake of fear of another quick hammer, it wishes to kill Gob regardless of claim except for perhaps Cop, but imagine it's full support on that.
There has to be at least one mafia outside of gob. Why aren't you voting to find them?
This sounds harsher than intended, its more a call to action than an accusation
Did you not pay attention on day 1? It cast one vote on day 1, for NAS. It is not a player for whom personality and pressure comes naturally. It recognizes the value of a vote but if all it can do is vote, it struggles to follow up on pressure. It prefers mental modeling, and that requires it to be somewhat neutral to mimic the mental state. As a result, it tends to... decide who it wants to kill, and vote them, as opposed to using votes as a weapon.
It understands that is perhaps a weakness in its game but it tries to use it as a strength.
Best to assume I did not pay attention as a rule of thumb
Noted
Ah, that came across ruder than it intended it to. It was trying to point at it and thought it was something people would note on, not.... Apologies.
You and NAS had same draft number. Plus the way Dunn opened by voting NAS makes it even less likely,imo.
This is not bad thinking, I can see and have pondered whether scum might draft the same number for exactly this reason, but I dunno, that puts you late in the draft order and makes not getting a PR significantly higher.
Then again, they did choose informed, so ...
so....what?
Like I think I get what you're getting at but I feel like it's such an abstract way to try and keep your reads open
What do you actually think?
I think it's really unlikely scum would choose the same numbers given that they chose informed. If I take that as a given, Dann may not be 100% mech cleared, but he's *pretty effing close*.
Isn't it the opposite? If you pick good draft numbers you get more info just by drafting the roles and don't need the complement information
I don't get what you're trying to say here in regards to my post
(I may or may not have been high when I typed this.)
You and NAS had same draft number. Plus the way Dunn opened by voting NAS makes it even less likely,imo.
This is not bad thinking, I can see and have pondered whether scum might draft the same number for exactly this reason, but I dunno, that puts you late in the draft order and makes not getting a PR significantly higher.
Then again, they did choose informed, so ...
What does mafia choosing informed have to do with that? Also yea I agree that scum would do that play on purpose, but given how NAS and Dunn played early, I don't think thats as likely. I feel like we would've at least seen NAS cross vote Dunn. But im open for other intrepretations.
They chose informed rather than multitasking. So if a scummo or two didn't get a role, it's NBD because a vanilla goon can still night kill, was my assumption
If every scum is multitasking, they would try harder for PRs
This is assuming I understand the setup correctly, which, y'know, I have never claimed to be particularly smart
Where are your reads at Pavo
I think at their core both modifiers are there primarily to make a mechanical solve harder (this is, like, broadly philosophising, SS might be throwing rotten fruit in my rough direction)
When you say both modifiers, are you talking about informed vs multitasking?
I'm ready to townlock Dann mechanically for a while, and I wanna lim Gob today, partially on his play (did not like the hammer) and partially because if gob is town, scum never kills there, and we'll have to sort the slot sooner or later.
I vote sooner.
Uh Oblivion is still town, I'm still leaning town on you for weak reasons like I was d1, I still think May is towny.
As for the rest, I'm thinking more about the draft.
I like Dave's lolsolve of mafia going 1,2,3, but I think PP at 4 is a high candidate for a scum choice also. That makes my lim pool Fire, you, Brian, and PP. Oblivion has a low # but I feel it's town.
I dunno, I have a lot of thoughts about the draft but they're half-baked at best.
That lim pool has 2+ town in it (mechanically) and seems to include me who you already townread. I also feel like solving by the draft is really regressive at this point in the gamestate?
How do you feel about Jake? How do you feel about gob's alignment (fuck the draft)? Why do you have penguin has a reasonably high scum equity choice?
Any pool of 4 is gonna have 2 town in it, what are you even trying to say? My town read on you is for not good reasons
Not really concerned with whether you like how I'm thinking about the game
Jake is null at best, Gob scum would not surprise me even a little bit, Penguin scum depends on my draft thoughts and a lot of WIFOM.
that's my point. a pool of 4 which has no conviction is a pretty weak solve and this game feels p advanced for day two. I'm finding it difficult to believe that you believe in what you're saying.
In post 2138, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Who knew that a example I choose specifically because they were generally townread and thus would be a poor example of scum could immediately revoke all of the towncred they had in my eyes.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
It doesn't rly matter if u like my read on u either? I'm going to advocate that you're likely scum unless I change my mind. I'll still challenge you to change my mind.
pedit: lol I've spent half the game talking about it
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
