Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Clownpiece]

OK MURDER MURDER KILLING TIME
GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!!

[Marisa Kirisame]

Hate the fact that Aya and Marisa have had almost no content in a week

I'm sorry! I had a real life emergency. Please tell me what you want me to engage on!

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Alright folks! I am back from my Iso dive, diverted into playing video games. And I can tell you that all the metamagic scrolls are telling me is that I don't know how to read Kagerou-Chan! So I'm going to re-vote Ichirin-San for now and contemplate Kagerou's alignment on a later day.

VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi

Hold my hand and trust that kagerou is at least kind of townie!

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Dai I know 2264 exists or whichever post it is. I interacted with larva a bit and made judgements from there. But it deserves a more in depth post that doesn’t have a place in ending the day.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

This game state being the way it is means that if one consensus "poe" read flips red it's more likely than not that the others will too.

Essentially either every member of the scum team is super fucking depressed and is just waiting for the end; or we are completely off and scum are content to watch us flail.

This is a case where regardless of which of those two worlds we are in, I think all of the "high activity slots" are well above rand town, those being yuuka, tenshi, clown, sanae. I include me there too obviously but ymmv.

Koishi I get you wanting to pull aya into the game. Can we give her some homework? Some things to look into over the night?

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 1.20

Ichirin Kumoi [E-2]:

Yuuka Kazami, Kagerou Imaizumi, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Clownpiece, Marisa Kirisame

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Tenshi Hinanawi, Eternity Larva, Daiyousei

Reisen Udongein Inaba [1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Not Voting [4]:

Aya Shameimaru, Koishi Komeiji, Ichirin Kumoi, Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

VOTE: Reisen Undongein Inaba

would like to know what changed about ichirin between 2287 and 2329 (also 2264 is still a thing)

acknowledging the existence of 2317 but do not have the time to read it over properly at the moment

This is a bad post! Daiyousei, you are literally ignoring the context that's provided in the posts themselves. It almost feels like some witch has cast *confusion* on you... But I'm the only witch here and I didn't do it!

the point is that none of what piece posted in 2928 was new; reisen had all of that information available to her in 2287 and chose to unvote with that information in hand

Do you not believe town can be convinced of things when these things are explained to them in a succinct manner?

it's certainly possible, but determining how likely it is is the point of asking

Gut said town, but even off that ichirin post I feel more strongly about kagerou being town and…yeah running up more claims because I feel bad is silly so.


Clown just put it in perspective.

[Eternity Larva]

Alright folks! I am back from my Iso dive, diverted into playing video games. And I can tell you that all the metamagic scrolls are telling me is that I don't know how to read Kagerou-Chan! So I'm going to re-vote Ichirin-San for now and contemplate Kagerou's alignment on a later day.

VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi

can you explain what initially caught your attention with Kagerou to reconsider your town read on them?

[Eternity Larva]

i think Ichirin's responses to pressure have been townie overall as i've explained previously

i think Ichirin as scum trying to save themselves would not choose the claimed poisoner role to do so, whether it's hir actual role or not. it's a very risk claim to make if hir goal is survivability and if anything would only hurt hir cause in saving hirself

i don't think Ichirin unvotes Kagerou at any point as scum (i guess unless she's scum with Kagerou?), sie has already justified hirself enough to park there for the remainder of the day but unvoting her really killed the momentum of the Kagerou wagon and hir only reasonable chance at surviving today

basically, all of Ichirin's actions more recently just do not align with scum trying to save themselves. don't really expect to change many minds at this point but i don't think sie flips scum here and Kagerou is an infinitely better bet

[Eternity Larva]

i’m finding it a bit strange that Aya is actively townreading Ichirin and scum reading Kagerou (unless her mind changed within the last couple pages I haven’t read yet) but she hasn’t voted Kagerou at any point to give that wagon an actual possibility of being pushed through over Ichirin

i would like to take this opportunity and formally invite her to the join our little ragtag band of freedom fighters and hop on the Kagerou wagon to help give it some legs!

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Larva can you not please

[Clownpiece]

Larva can you not please

I can’t think of a reason why you would go through

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Even if that's the case that would mean his energy would be better spent elsewhere

[Eternity Larva]

Larva can you not please

sorry!

any thoughts on my reasons for townreading Ichirin? the first is more my opinion but the others make Ichirin pretty anti-survivability and opposite to how i expect scum in Ichirin’s position to behave, so i’d like to hear your perspective

i’m also curious about your reason for briefly unvoting/reevaluating Ichirin: what made you question yourself and why have you now returned to hir wagon? Did you consider anyone else during that time?

i am in the midst of catching up now so feel free to ignore if these explanations exist within the past ~10 pages

[Clownpiece]

Even if that's the case that would mean his energy would be better spent elsewhere

They’re not harming anyone

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I do agree on your reasons to townread Ichirin, and like, i think sie's barely above >rand for flipping scum, but i was thinking about who else i was voting if not hir and i kinda blanked on names, don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

i'm also more comfortable killing a role we know is at worse low utility anyways rather than outing more claims, we already have 3 roles out

[Eternity Larva]

Larva would you, as scum without strong thread presence, insist on 50/50 flipping day 1?

probably not, but i don’t necessarily agree that Kagerou didn’t have “strong thread presence” at the time, and given Ichirin was a very popular scum read at that point i don’t see why Kagerou would be written off as town for “1v1’ing” hir. i think it could be an easy way for scum to get towncred and not all that risky considering Ichirin was widely scum-read.

i’ve already explained why i felt Kagerou’s shift from fluff-posting to the Ichirin 1v1 was scummy. feel free to find those in my ISO and tell me why i’m wrong

[Eternity Larva]

I do agree on your reasons to townread Ichirin, and like, i think sie's barely above >rand for flipping scum, but i was thinking about who else i was voting if not hir and i kinda blanked on names, don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

i'm also more comfortable killing a role we know is at worse low utility anyways rather than outing more claims, we already have 3 roles out

hmmmmmmm this is fair

which annoys me

please start answering me with generically scummy responses so my confidence is not shaken

[Daiyousei]

don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

won't know until you try!

[Eternity Larva]

did you like…do anything else when you unvoted Ichirin?

who were you considering as scum that you ultimately decided not to push during that period?

PEdit: @Kagerou

[Eternity Larva]

I think the main thing to look is at how Dai and Larva have interacted with Kagerou because Koishi just came up because "hey, useful town role, maybe...?" but I'm realizing Kagerou's always been the more endangered slot, and like I hypothesized: Master Spark. Very spooky for scum who know a thing or two about Touhou.

did you ever do this and if so what were your findings?

[Daiyousei]

to put my general sentiment in more elaborate words

it feels to me that there is maybe, like, one person actively excited for vote for ichirin, and the rest are shoulder shrugs that sie's a good enough choice and it's easiest to just turn our brains off and let the clock wind down while waiting for the last couple of passengers to shuffle on board the train

and this more than anything else does not instill confidence that ichirin is mafia

it's possible that i am reading the room wrong here but it's what i see

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

did you like…do anything else when you unvoted Ichirin?

who were you considering as scum that you ultimately decided not to push during that period?

PEdit: @Kagerou

You'll see tonight

[Eternity Larva]

today i learned Kagerou is claiming a dayvig shot and i am left questioning why they wouldn’t just keep this to themselves as scum and just shoot an obvtown player in the event they become the elimination for today

or why as scum they would just lie about a role that should be provable

i hate this for me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

today i learned Kagerou is claiming a dayvig shot and i am left questioning why they wouldn’t just keep this to themselves as scum and just shoot an obvtown player in the event they become the elimination for today

or why as scum they would just lie about a role that should be provable

i hate this for me

don't get me wrong i kinda wanted to keep it to myself

but then people started going "Lol Marisa has her final spark spellcard, does that mean Kagerou can vig someone?" And at this stage that probably takes away the point in hiding it