In post 1179, JacksonVirgo wrote:
There isn’t scum in Jake/Kay. You say there’s no scum in Gimli and obv yourself. I’m not a wolf. It for sure isn’t halfasleep now. Unless the scum is specifically in ming/purple/thom one of us is wrong. That pool Is almost entirely PoE aside from Thom.
that said, i'm a little curious how you got to this confident in me myself. i can see that what i was cooking last night Looks Good but stepping away from the 'i, halfasleep, know that i'm town' perspective, do you really think there's no possible scum motivation behind putting a heavily-townread player under increased scrutiny?
kinda like with the jackson/kay duo, i'm struggling a little with gimli declaring 'lock clears' in the absence of confirmed mechanical information. i really can't relate to being
In post 1011, awesomeming327 wrote:
black fireisred and halfasleep are all town to me
i dont want to think about purple right now and kjq seems too underwhelming to be scum
so you might actly be right
a Ping For Ming. i think in your absence you're getting closer and closer to becoming the default wagon here. you might want to get back in the thread and start posting again before that happens. hope that you do.
In post 980, Gimli wrote:
I'll get astigmatism from squinting too hard at mango's ISO trying to sense anything AI
@mango can you please do more in the game when you get the chance?
in other news, squinting too hard did make me feel like mango might be a townie. I think the most AI stuff about mango is his progression on jake, and it's kind of a weird one. but I do think the progression is a townie one where mango shows he is evaluating the slot while extremely confused about jake's actions in game.
sit tight, grab your favorite beverage and let's walk through this together
i find his (thus far) non-contributing posting style irritating but i think he looks more like town playing his own game and keeping his cards hidden while not caring if he's annoying anyone, than scum just trying to be unhelpful.
Black:
hasn't said all that much yet but all her posts look good to me. every post after RVS have been pretty solid questions that look like sincere attempts to poke reactions out of them to read them better. also she went for me in RVS which is great because i love attention. heavily biased townread.
What makes you think jake is more town then scum?
After all, you specifically put him in town-ish and not neutral
There's a chance it's his normal way of playing, but it's still pretty weird to me He has the option to keep his information to himself for now, and still participate more actively/ seriously in the game
I'll go read his previous games to understand better and that
this is the first mango post about jake, and I like this because he is already showing being concerned about the jake slot. while the phrasing is confusing and I'm not sure I get it all, I think he is saying that jake is kind of just actively trolling the game and so it doesn't make sense for him to be townread. I like that he is going at halfasleep's post to point it out, and I like his standpoint on jake in this post.
In post 204, halfasleep wrote:
it's vibes, mainly. i'm not an experienced player and don't have any past-game knowledge behind any of my reads it's just my own feelings.
anyway welcome back to the thread. nice to hear from you finally
From what I saw, other games also had a lot of jokes and things like that, but it still made more sense as a game that I would expect from town, and they gave more explanations and thoughts than here
Could be but also related to the fact that the game is much slower, so I don't know
It's effective to act like this when you're scum anyway
Hello!!:))
I like that mango did went ahead and metadived jake. it doesn't feel like he is just doing that for townpoints, and it seems like a simple meta case to check out, which is whether the player was joking too hard or not too hard in other towngames. while I don't think this is how you meta people, there's an investigative trend already going on here which I like.
In post 218, JupiterXV wrote:
I think that the read on Kay is weird and that none of Kay's behavior thus far has been strictly alignment-indicative, and the fact that they think Jake could be town for doing nothing at all but thinking that I'm neutral for also doing nothing is strange.
The reads definitely feel a little forced, like she made them only because I told her to. I actually think this is NAI because it's so early into the game; townies would perhaps not hesitate to say that they don't have conclusive reads, but just as likely they would force some reads because it's pro-town behavior.
On the other hand, I buy JacksonVirgo's newbcard argument more. halfasleep has definitely been posting in a way that's different than what would be expected from a newbie and it feels off
What the problem with giving reads early/based on gut reads? Its better then nothing, i don't think she now gonna stay with all of the reads to the entire time or something, and it did help to make the game more active
This post look weird in my mind but i don't i don't know why, please tell me if its not understandable
this isn't about jake but it's another post I like because it feels organic. I like the 'I don't like this but can't really explain why', it doesn't read as a fake thought from scum, but as a townie thought from someone who can't properly explain themselves. turning feelings into words can be tricky, but often only when you're a townie.
If that is an unsatisfactory response, you have the authority to execute me now.
I can kinda see that possible both as scum and town
But still it doesn't really make sense if they actually try to win, so idk
Its not helping the town either way
this kind of being in two minds about jake also feels like a legitimately towny thought. I like the phrasing here and in subsequent posts because it's reasonable to me that mango's scumread on jake would tremble with the gambit, and that while trying to figure out why the hell jake would do that as scum, mango draws a blank. I also like that he questioned jupiter A LOT about that, and I agree with the sentiment that jupiter exaggerated how likely it was that the gambit was coming from scum.
In post 315, JupiterXV wrote:
i don't think this is trolling, kay- i think it's just a scum move here
But whats the point of it??
Like "yes come on vote me" so we wouldn't do it and just hope that we will ignore him or something?
i did talk about this earlier
ok so are you asking me to explain to you why people use this strategy or why this makes jake scum?
How will this help him as scum for longer term?
I thought even before they were scum, so my problem is not in that but like
What the thought process for that
In post 430, JupiterXV wrote:
thoughts on purplemango: think theyre partnered w jake because the way they questioned jake's thing to me felt strange idr the specific wording but it felt incredibly frantic and really weird to me. like idk why do u think i know whats going on inside jakes head bro
I'm mostly said that i don't find logic in it, i don't expect you to reads minds or something
Also, why wouldn't you want play anymore? There's something to help it?
In post 530, Purplemango wrote:
UNVOTE: black
I forgot i voted for her in like the first thing
Do you have any reads?
I kinda forgot about it and had busy day, sorry
Also i had something better but it got deleted
Anyway
More scum then town: jake, jacksonvirgo
In the middle of both: halfasleep, ming
Idk: jay
More town then scum: fireisredsir, black(???)
In post 530, Purplemango wrote:
UNVOTE: black
I forgot i voted for her in like the first thing
Do you have any reads?
I kinda forgot about it and had busy day, sorry
Also i had something better but it got deleted
Anyway
More scum then town: jake, jacksonvirgo
In the middle of both: halfasleep, ming
Idk: jay
More town then scum: fireisredsir, black(???)
This is some interesting stuff.
Would you care to elaborate on any of it?
jake - I don't really understand the logic behind actions, at the moment it's getting better, but still too weird to be a town in my mind
Like, too much doesn't make sense
jacksonvirgo - similar to above, strange way of speaking, more like scum than town, but it might be their usual and I just don't know enough
halfasleep - it's hard for me to see her as scum, considering that she talked a lot and actively promotes the town, but it might just be a good cover or something ming - I can see too much as both scum and town, so he's in the middle as well
black - the way she talks makes more sense as a town, and her defense works for me I sort of understand her thought process
fireisredsir - probably related to the fact that I generally agree with him on some things, similar to the above, there is a good chance that will change
I have no idea about jay, and in general I also see jupiter as a town at the moment but it seems less relevant to me now
I'm kind of agreeing with some of these reads. while theyre pretty superficial, they sound organic and sensible. it doesn't feel like he has an agenda behind the thoughts on any of these slots. I also like how the progression on jake ended with 'improved, but still nonsensical to me and I don't get it'.
In post 1226, Gimli wrote:
I have lock cleared (halfasleep, jacksonvirgo, fireisred)
I think I wanna lock clear mango or at least remove him from POE
my goal now is to clear at least one out of (KJQ, thimoth, jake, ming)
when I do that, I'll have a game winning POE for sure
exciting solving time, friends, we got this
(I'm captain planet btw)
Did you explain why you want to clear mango?
I'll check if you have already explained it.
quoted it at the top
that was followed by metadiving mango and noticing a lot of similarities in his idiosyncrasies, the very lowkey way he approaches mafia and the way he vibes like a pure soul throughout a game of mafia. it took me a while to get there and I can't be sure of it, but there's a profile here: very young player, vibes a bit like kawaiikame, and there are some small hints in his posting that pretty much all of them point to town.
In post 1228, halfasleep wrote:
kinda like with the jackson/kay duo, i'm struggling a little with gimli declaring 'lock clears' in the absence of confirmed mechanical information. i really can't relate to being
that
confident that someone couldn't be fooling you.
yes that's why I need another lock clear
I can't prove to anyone with no experience with me or little experience with mafia that I'm a townie. I get miseliminated quite a lot, actually. ironically, I lategame and win most of my scum games. so the goal is to have a POE that's solid and clear enough that you can flip me, and then flip my POE for the win.
captain planet is a hero, and the hero will die for you.
In post 1226, Gimli wrote:
I have lock cleared (halfasleep, jacksonvirgo, fireisred)
I think I wanna lock clear mango or at least remove him from POE
my goal now is to clear at least one out of (KJQ, thimoth, jake, ming)
when I do that, I'll have a game winning POE for sure
exciting solving time, friends, we got this
(I'm captain planet btw)
From those four i think the best option is jake
I don't really wanna vote kay/thomith, and jake has more active influence on other players/the game
I also don't think scum would get into this situation, it feels like too much of a risk for them
In post 1233, Purplemango wrote:
I also don't think scum would get into this situation, it feels like too much of a risk for them
which situation/who are you referring to here?
Ming
like Right now from what I see it, a big part of the reason is that he hasn't talked much, or done things to promote the game
But it doesn't make sense to me that scum would get to the point where this is what's happening
There is also his scum partner, in the worst case they can help with that
i think that ming's activity falloff isn't really a convincing reason to suspect him or to townread him since it could easily happen as either alignment
In post 1237, fireisredsir wrote:
i think that ming's activity falloff isn't really a convincing reason to suspect him or to townread him since it could easily happen as either alignment
Still, i think its less helpful to vote him out right now, who do you prefer?
like, don't you think his E-1 shenanigans and reactions were towny of him? he looked so sure of what he was doing there, and started gathering reactions real quick and adapting to what he thought were appropriate or scummy.
I'll even go as far as saying that his reaction to black especifically made sense from his POV as a townie. I can see how black's reaction to his E-1 could've come out as more likely to be posturing from scum rather than town.
I'll also say, who's jake scumming with? he kinda feels unpartnered in this game, unless its with jackson (a slot I have already cleared anyway)
I'll add re: mango's latest posting, that the way he is talking about ming here is a type of defense that I don't think makes any sense if mango is scum, unless he is scum precisely with ming.
another thing I'll note about ming now - because of these posts by mango, but regardless of them - is that there's resistance to voting that slot. from mango, from KJQ, from you even, fire. when I think 'scum equity' in this d1, ming kind of beats every other slot.
In post 296, halfasleep wrote:
maybe i'm just a stupid newbie who doesn't understand your big brain strats but in what scenario on what planet in e-1ing yourself not completely asinine gameplay?
In post 296, halfasleep wrote:
maybe i'm just a stupid newbie who doesn't understand your big brain strats but in what scenario on what planet in e-1ing yourself not completely asinine gameplay?
I will forgive your sins and insults against me, and provide some insight:
By putting myself at e-1, I was testing the reactions of everyone around me. The nominal example of this would be Ming, as she was who I was talking directly to. However, like colliding high-energy particles together, the main interest was the sparks after the collision. It clearly and effectively caused people to respond in Alignment-Indicative (AI) ways.
If that is an unsatisfactory response, you have the authority to execute me now.
Can we fade this
She was willing to execute me, immediately. Why? As you said, we still had a week left in the game, so executing me would've wasted a lot of time and just be a bad idea in general.
Hope this helps!
VOTE: Black
now for the commentary: jake had halfasleep (a townie) on E-1, and kept saying it was the case over and over again. he then moved his own vote when prompted by people saying 'well you keep saying halfasleep is on E-1 and yet you won't unvote'. he self votes and offers himself as the fade, which is RISKY. I think there's a good chance e.g. if black wasn't there on the wagon yet, she could've just said 'yeah fuck this' and vote him off. she or anyone else, since nobody liked his reaction test. regardless, the risky business wasn't meaningless; he wasn't expecting to just gather townreads off of it, he was expecting to gather reactions. and I like his posture on halfasleep here, as well, saying he doesn't know if she is scum or not, etc. it doesn't look like a scum play to me (and I love some risky scum play myself). it looks like a townie doing a reaction test to help him solve.
anyway that's my 2c... if you wanna fade this, I'm not necessarily against it since it's yet another tunneled slot on my wagon. and if I'm wrong about KJQ (and given jupiter's posts that I'm rereading as I reread jake, I think its less likely thimoth than jake), then it could just be ming/jake.
but I think fading ming first has a much stronger likelihood of flipping mafia.
In post 1243, Gimli wrote:
I'll add re: mango's latest posting, that the way he is talking about ming here is a type of defense that I don't think makes any sense if mango is scum, unless he is scum precisely with ming.
another thing I'll note about ming now - because of these posts by mango, but regardless of them - is that there's resistance to voting that slot. from mango, from KJQ, from you even, fire. when I think 'scum equity' in this d1, ming kind of beats every other slot.
I want to note that with Purples posting it's made me wonder about a Purple/ming team specifically.
In post 1218, Thomith wrote:
On a reread, I guess I see a difference.
Primarily, Purple tends to be asking questions of other people in an attempt to read people, which on a reread does look like he could genuinely be trying to solve.
But it takes him a while to actually elaborate on any of this, which on a reread makes me question this slot more, as these hard stances are rarely explained it feels like, making them easier to explain away later?
In post 1218, Thomith wrote:
On a reread, I guess I see a difference.
Primarily, Purple tends to be asking questions of other people in an attempt to read people, which on a reread does look like he could genuinely be trying to solve.
But it takes him a while to actually elaborate on any of this, which on a reread makes me question this slot more, as these hard stances are rarely explained it feels like, making them easier to explain away later?
