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Kyoko and then 1 of {Silver Ravens, Sunflower} we can throw in Ydrasse but I don't really feel that in my heart.
I'm not voting Silver Ravens today or ever before Kyoko is flipped.
I have good feelings about this game.
If you don't have good feelings about suspects, either find them or sheep the person who does and is known to be competent.-
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ya sure vote kyokoIn post 1899, Enchant wrote: Can i lurk out this phase please?-
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I mean if kyoko was town this would be a whole different game.In post 1898, ActionDan wrote: I know you are very keen on this. I do think wolf Kyoto can do this. Just find it not more likely than a town Kyoto. What differences would we see if Kyoto was town here?
This is not a question that I know how to answer.
The matter of the situation is that there are people who are town, and there are people who are not town, and Kyoko is one of the people that are not town in this game.-
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Like, it's not a meta thing.
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My memory of FA is a bit foggy but if I recall they were frequently a fade as town and scum and I am surprised they are Kiri because Kiri's play here regardless of alignment is rather sophisticated. So I suppose I am curious to learn more, and see what Ali is talking about with pulling all the stops etc in support of their scummates or even what it means to not lose wolf games in contextIn post 1894, Von Payne wrote:
I love how direct and to the point you are Ali lolIn post 1889, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
How about you throw your read away and you sheep meIn post 1888, ActionDan wrote: Thread locked before I could post, but I took the time to reread Kirk's blessedly compact iso, thoughts below:
Rereading Kiri throughly now doesn't change my initial read after her Hu Tao case. That is still town. For the Hu case itself I remember catgirls describe it as cold and analytical but I still don't have that impression, it does have heart. I also do not see much to criticize Day 2. The focus on players pretty much dropped to just Von and Catgirls but I think that's very understandable as Kiri playing defensively in response to scumreads by both and having previous questions/concerns with either slot that clearly ballooned. I dont see how their posts and progression more likely would come from scum than town.
Will reread SR next.
Also as an aside I thought Gimli got very comfortable reading me as locktown for no good reason really and was thinking he might have been scum afterall. But am curious to hear why he went the other way for you Catgirl.
Still don't have a particularly strong scum suspect. I will be Isoing one by one.
But Dan, what do you think about how Ali said Kyo gets like that when Kyo is scum?
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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In post 1902, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I do get this. Many games I've had where the list pairs down to like 6-8 players and you just know ~75% are town. I think I may get there if I iso.In post 1898, ActionDan wrote: I know you are very keen on this. I do think wolf Kyoto can do this. Just find it not more likely than a town Kyoto. What differences would we see if Kyoto was town here?
I mean if kyoko was town this would be a whole different game.
This is not a question that I know how to answer.
The matter of the situation is that there are people who are town, and there are people who are not town, and Kyoko is one of the people that are not town in this game.I'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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This does read as fence sittyIn post 1904, ActionDan wrote:
My memory of FA is a bit foggy but if I recall they were frequently a fade as town and scum and I am surprised they are Kiri because Kiri's play here regardless of alignment is rather sophisticated. So I suppose I am curious to learn more, and see what Ali is talking about with pulling all the stops etc in support of their scummates or even what it means to not lose wolf games in contextIn post 1894, Von Payne wrote:
I love how direct and to the point you are Ali lolIn post 1889, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
How about you throw your read away and you sheep meIn post 1888, ActionDan wrote: Thread locked before I could post, but I took the time to reread Kirk's blessedly compact iso, thoughts below:
Rereading Kiri throughly now doesn't change my initial read after her Hu Tao case. That is still town. For the Hu case itself I remember catgirls describe it as cold and analytical but I still don't have that impression, it does have heart. I also do not see much to criticize Day 2. The focus on players pretty much dropped to just Von and Catgirls but I think that's very understandable as Kiri playing defensively in response to scumreads by both and having previous questions/concerns with either slot that clearly ballooned. I dont see how their posts and progression more likely would come from scum than town.
Will reread SR next.
Also as an aside I thought Gimli got very comfortable reading me as locktown for no good reason really and was thinking he might have been scum afterall. But am curious to hear why he went the other way for you Catgirl.
Still don't have a particularly strong scum suspect. I will be Isoing one by one.
But Dan, what do you think about how Ali said Kyo gets like that when Kyo is scum?
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FA has developed a lot over the years as a playerIn post 1904, ActionDan wrote: My memory of FA is a bit foggy but if I recall they were frequently a fade as town and scum and I am surprised they are Kiri because Kiri's play here regardless of alignment is rather sophisticated. So I suppose I am curious to learn more, and see what Ali is talking about with pulling all the stops etc in support of their scummates or even what it means to not lose wolf games in context-
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- There are 2 wolves on Hu Tao's wagon. Kyoko is hunting as if there are 2-3 wolves on wagon, as she thinks wolves are Von Payne + Me. This is what she wants you to believe.In post 1905, ActionDan wrote: I do get this. Many games I've had where the list pairs down to like 6-8 players and you just know ~75% are town. I think I may get there if I iso.
- If not for Kyoko's efforts, I think it was decently likely we kill a wolf, like Aureal. Because she made the post that she did, she effectively influenced people into wanting to go Hu Tao over following Klick onto something like Aureal, because Day 1 we had a lot of people that people felt were ok to be killed off, it was a matter of wolves moving the vote to where they want it to be. There is a reason why I am saying Kyoko + Aureal = 2 wolves on wolf wagon.
- Additionally, Aureal is a 1-shot strongkill if I am correct. There is agency in wanting to protect this role to at least resolve a strongman shot before killing it.
- See 1900
- If Kyoko is not a wolf, what the fuck is happening in this game? I ultimately need Kyoko flipped because if she's town, it will help me figure this out and I would need to question everything that I know. It just makes sense.-
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I do think there was appetite for Aureal and as you said Klick was influential. If push came to shove and their was a tie say in Aureal / Hu wagons I would almost certainly have trusted klick and voted Aureal alone, and thats before reading Aureal that nightI'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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Gun to head, is this a town post or a wolf post?In post 1133, Gimli wrote:In post 1129, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Can I just say how ironic this is considering you openly said you're going to "not talk to any of your wolfreads and ignore them?" I'm not as sold as my hydra partner is on you being a wolf Gimli but when your reads change entirely overly irl days with barely any posts in-between in some instances to justify those flips it's odd. Then to have the confidence to go "My wolfreads are so correct that I'm going to ignore them!" Like, to me you have to be a wolf making this up or this is a new level of egotistical delusion that I haven't seen before.
Let's not forget if I remember correctly a lot of this was made during the first moon phase.Spoiler: some of my PT work-
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It's so interesting that 1 post + replacement changes my read on this player completely because if you look at for example this post, the world view that Gimli is pushing is the exact same as what Kyoko wantsIn post 1328, Gimli wrote:
let me update thisIn post 1292, Gimli wrote:ActionDan
Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)
Kyoko Kirigiri
Prism
Aureal
Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)
Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)
Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)
Ydrasse
dis where I'm at, I guess I need more kyoko
@maria: yeah, I'd say I could townread you if you were a townie but that just proves I am tunneling you from your very first posts so its a waste of saliva for everyone involved
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Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)
Kyoko Kirigiri
Prism
Aureal
Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)
Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)
Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)
Ydrasse
and that's the game and thanks for playing-
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I think wolves' path to victory relies on trying to get me miseliminated. It is ultimately a flawed gameplan. It will never happen.-
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I have to go back and look at votes but as far as timing goes I remember most votes on me and hu split even or so before klick posted and gimli supported klick's post. Then my wagon poofed and hu retained their votes anyway. I forgot where kiri was in that I think after?
Gun to head I get shot from indecisiveness as I don't know. Why am I and SR cross outs? But then who is he appealing to as scum really?I'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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It's such a weird post but that's nto something I've seen wolves ever do.In post 1913, ActionDan wrote: Gun to head I get shot from indecisiveness as I don't know. Why am I and SR cross outs? But then who is he appealing to as scum really?
Why would he respond to his scumread with that as a wolf? There's a slight feeling of "wanting to get found" as a villager there I think?
idunno I feel like the simple explanation is that 1 Gimli post is a town post.-
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I might have better luck reading enchant. 1841 is his one town post here.I'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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Enchant is townie, I agree-
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Looking through Aureal's iso, their interactions with Gimli do not feel like they are both mafia togther. They respond to Gimli several times with arguments and earlier they locked Gimli as town which Actiondan pointed out was premature.-
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Ydrasse She*twirls hair*
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What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
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I have to be like thisIn post 1919, Von Payne wrote: What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
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Would you rather deal with Maria?-
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I don't think your solve is fully correctIn post 1920, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I have to be like thisIn post 1919, Von Payne wrote: What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
Sunflower is town
But my finger is definitely on the trigger and pressed against Kyo's head though
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After Kyoko we should just be able to take our sweet time with it.In post 1922, Von Payne wrote:
I don't think your solve is fully correctIn post 1920, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I have to be like thisIn post 1919, Von Payne wrote: What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
Sunflower is town
But my finger is definitely on the trigger and pressed against Kyo's head though
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Entertain me.In post 1908, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
- There are 2 wolves on Hu Tao's wagon. Kyoko is hunting as if there are 2-3 wolves on wagon, as she thinks wolves are Von Payne + Me. This is what she wants you to believe.In post 1905, ActionDan wrote: I do get this. Many games I've had where the list pairs down to like 6-8 players and you just know ~75% are town. I think I may get there if I iso.
- If not for Kyoko's efforts, I think it was decently likely we kill a wolf, like Aureal. Because she made the post that she did, she effectively influenced people into wanting to go Hu Tao over following Klick onto something like Aureal, because Day 1 we had a lot of people that people felt were ok to be killed off, it was a matter of wolves moving the vote to where they want it to be. There is a reason why I am saying Kyoko + Aureal = 2 wolves on wolf wagon.
- Additionally, Aureal is a 1-shot strongkill if I am correct. There is agency in wanting to protect this role to at least resolve a strongman shot before killing it.
- See 1900
- If Kyoko is not a wolf, what the fuck is happening in this game? I ultimately need Kyoko flipped because if she's town, it will help me figure this out and I would need to question everything that I know. It just makes sense.
Assume I am flipped and its green. What you learn about the game?
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