Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Koishi Komeiji]

It's frustrating isn't it?

It's a constant game of hurry up and wait for XYZ.

Cursed timings.

[Daiyousei]

Really hoping day two doesn't end up in a content drought the way D1 had in the middle.

easiest way to avoid that is to eliminate sanae and move on to night 2

fairy wisdom never fails

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm sorry am lateeee. I promise I'll be here in an hour

[Yuuka Kazami]

Pedit I really don't think you should be the lim here

i agree!

but i am not and never will be in the town block poe so i'd rather yeet myself sooner than later so mafia's endgame path is that much harder for not having me around to mislim

I don't follow, since, if you, as town, elevate yourself out of the PoE through sheer chutzpah all the better right? That improves your win condition.

[Daiyousei]

if you, as town, elevate yourself out of the PoE through sheer chutzpah

i do not see a game state where this happens tbh

[Yuuka Kazami]

`_`)/\(`_`

I was going to make a not with that attitude joke, but then I got bored of cliche statements and made the above instead.

[Daiyousei]

for what it's worth i would have enjoyed that joke

[Yuuka Kazami]

`_`)/\(`_`

[Yuuka Kazami]

Everyone, it has been an hour.
As you all know we are now obligated to drop all our reads and immediately kill Marisa for leaving us all to dry out in the sun for too long.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay so I was trying to gather up my thoughts on why Kaguya is scum but now I think they're just town. God help me.

Anyway the main three reasons I was voting her, in short, were:
1. Combination of boredom and trying to stir up the gamestate (on a skim this either didn't work or maybe helped me form a TR on her)
2. Disliking of her approach to Sanae.
3. Surface level VCA - I knew there were several townies off Sanae wagon and still it was getting pushed so I thought it's pretty reaonable to assume scum on wagon and I arbitrarily chose Kaguya.

However in looking at her more recent posting (especially 3979) I think Kaguya is towny. I also think that I've lost too many games for not pushing through obvious scum due to stale gamestates so with that in mind I'm back to voting Sanae.

VOTE: Sanae Kochiya

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm pretty sure Sanae has made a case on Reisen at some point so I'm gonna go find and read it now

[Marisa Kirisame]

So with the reservation that one of Yuuka, Reisen and Kagerou

could

,

maybe

, be scum, I think flipping Sanae > Kaguya > Daiyousei is a winning solve!

i am realizing now how incredibly difficult this game is going to be without flavor knowledge

i am mixing up similar avatars AND similar names already

Just like the simulations

So fun fact I did actually confuse you and Kagerou but not in the way you'd expect.

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 2.04

Sanae Kochiya [3]:

Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan, Marisa Kirisame

Reisen Udongein Inaba [1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Mairsa Kirisame [1]:

Clownpiece

Not Voting [5]:

Aya Shameimaru, Kagerou Imaizumi, Koishi Komeiji, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Yuuka Kazami

With

10

remaining,

6

votes to eliminate

Deadline: (expired on 2024-03-28 16:25:26)

Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

[Daiyousei]

truly the only way that wait could have ended

[Marisa Kirisame]

truly the only way that wait could have ended

Well if I didn't have an epiphany on Kaguya being town it would have ended with a wall of text casing her.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I am suddenly left with an unexpected inability to be around for the next 12 hours or so. As such, I'm going to just vote now and peace out.

VOTE: sanae

[Daiyousei]

truly the only way that wait could have ended

Well if I didn't have an epiphany on Kaguya being town it would have ended with a wall of text casing her.

yeah but that wouldn't have been nearly as good a punchline

[Marisa Kirisame]

UNVOTE:

Clownpiece are you here? I'm thinking and I need someone to work with.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Maybe Daiyousei is a good someone to think with. Daiyousei, who do you think is scum if we assume that Sanae is town?

[Marisa Kirisame]

ftr I'm not assuming that she is town. It's just that I'm finally able to give the game my full attention for the first time since the weekend and I want to explore different possibilities before we end the day.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It's
Sanae Kochiya [E-1]:

Marisa Kirisame

, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi,

Eternity Larva

, Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan

Ichirin Kumoi

[E-3]: Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

, Sanae Kochiya

Not Voting [3]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

by my count.

VC 1.23

Ichirin Kumoi

[E-2]:

Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

, Sanae Kochiya,

Eternity Larva

Sanae Kochiya [E-2]:

Marisa Kirisame

, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan

Not Voting [3]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

Back half of the Sanae wagon voters:

Spoiler: Kagerou Imaizumi

VOTE: Sanae

this better be for realsies

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

Tenshi Hinanawi - Town
Aya Shameimaru - Town
Yuuka Kazami - Town
Kaguya Houraisan - Maybe Town
Kagerou Imaizumi -
Koishi Komeiji - Town
Eternity Larva - Town
Ichirin Kumoi - Town
Daiyousei - Iffy Town
Marisa Kirisame - Town
Clownpiece, replaced once as of this post - ME!!!!!!!!
Reisen Udongein Inaba - ig they're town
Sanae Kochiya - Wolf

Well fuck me this doesn't seem right either :/

I think pretty much everyone is being some level of townie in this game

trying to team solve while we don't have any flip isn't gonna work out

You play your game I play mine

What I do works for me

You've just said it's not working though

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

This comment is also not constructive. Did you think I just wrote a bunch of names there arbitrarily? Like, what are you doing?

i'm trying to post but my brain isn't working

Spoiler: Eternity Larva

Koishi is probably just town after all, i doubt she's faking the string of posts about asking the mod to confirm if her post identifying her target was allowed

and the outright refusal to vote anyone despite multiple people asking her to is like the opposite thing for her to do if her goal is to survive?

VOTE: Sanae

i don't think Ichirin being demoralized is all that alignment indicative on its own. i can see where sie as town would be over it at this point

the problem is the shift from "omg maybe my defenders are scum all along let me dig into this!!" to lurking out the rest of the day. the whole "i'm just waiting to die" schtick becomes more difficult to buy when it's clear from the gamestate that the day 1 elimination is not at all set in stone

it's starting to feel like a weaponized excuse to stop contributing and allowing us to forget about hir

my own hypocrisy in voting Sanae but convincing myself Ichirin is actually scum is not lost on me. i agree that Sanae's stock has fallen drastically and at this point i will vote for anyone that isn't a town read just to ensure an elimination goes through

i hate cutting deadlines this close, it gives me tremendous anxiety

i should be around a fair amount for the next ~6 or so hours to be bullied into voting someone else if needed

i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

i am a tad perturbed at the speed of this wagon when getting people to actually wagon someone the past five irl days has been virtually impossible

but it’s too late in the day for me to give a shit

real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

this is why i’m shoving that feeling down as much as possible

if Marisa/Clown are not scum on your wagon then who is?

and since you’re at E-1, claiming would probably be a good idea

that’s fair

in my haste to push join the Sanae wagon i didn’t realize Ichirin was still that close to being eliminated

Actually

VOTE: Ichirin

two wagons at E-2, you’re welcome

Spoiler: Daiyousei

VOTE: Sanae

sure, this is interesting, let's see where it goes

2371 in particular if something i can definitely see as way more likely to come from mafia than town

i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

went back and double-checked and yes

real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

Yeah I guess this makes sense in a scum!Sanae world. Knowing that all the non-voters were town basically meant that is Sanae was scum Larva had to change vote to let her live, since they couldn't count on non-voters. Also the Larva progression of voting Sanae and then working back into an Ichirin vote feels planned, which is more likely to happen in a scum!Sanae world than in a world where the wagons were TvT. Right? Someone sanity check me please.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

Koishi help me I'm going insane I hate deadlines I always make the wrong choice near deadlines. I should just vote Sanae right? And reevaluate if she flips town

[Koishi Komeiji]

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

Koishi help me I'm going insane I hate deadlines I always make the wrong choice near deadlines. I should just vote Sanae right? And reevaluate if she flips town

If you had a one shot investigative that you had to use tonight, would you even consider using it on sanae?

[Koishi Komeiji]

Or would you want to whittle down the POE further?