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Post Post #4475 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:22 am

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I’ll retract that till after I’m caught up because I can see scum just shooting clown off of their place in the game and them claiming cop actually being irrelevant.
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Post Post #4476 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:23 am

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In post 4475, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I’ll retract that till after I’m caught up because I can see scum just shooting clown off of their place in the game and them claiming cop actually being irrelevant.
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Post Post #4477 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:27 am

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In post 4473, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Talk to me more about the Dai-scum side of that argument.
Sure, I think the argument for kaguya!scum is pretty clear cut.

Dai it kind of relies on what was ACTUALLY said in the hood with them and kaguya. But just from the outside looking in I could see scum!dai being clued in to kaguya and clown forming some kind of plan then targeting clown to set kaguya up. Also don’t think knowing clowns role is very relevant to that, just knowing clown and kaguya got thrown into a pt does however.
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Post Post #4478 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:27 am

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Ugh, why do I like the fact that you retracted it so much.

SHroom-san really thought you were maf.
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Post Post #4479 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:31 am

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Dunno how open clown would be sharing who got copped or who they planned to cop in a random pt. It would matter if kaguya!scum thought they would get copped or their partner came up in a list. Did any of that kind of info get swapped between your hoods? Kaguya, dai?
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Post Post #4480 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:35 am

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In post 4291, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
In post 4196, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
In post 4181, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit
Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?
until the end of night 2
Didn’t see this whole bit.
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Post Post #4481 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:36 am

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In post 4479, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Dunno how open clown would be sharing who got copped or who they planned to cop in a random pt. It would matter if kaguya!scum thought they would get copped or their partner came up in a list. Did any of that kind of info get swapped between your hoods? Kaguya, dai?
I specifically asked to be copped, Clown said no, wanted to cop in Kagerou/Yuuka/Aya then narrowed it down to Yuuka

All Dai was told was to target Clownpiece with their ability and to not post at the start of the day cause they'd need to claim one of Clowns spellcards
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Post Post #4482 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:37 am

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Specifically I mentioned that I'd need to relay information from Clownpiece to the Misty Lake Hood at daystart for the fakeclaim
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Post Post #4483 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:40 am

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The who wasn’t really important, I can only take that at face value but if it was shared across hoods then it’s a little credible coming from 2 sources.
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Post Post #4484 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:44 am

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In post 4481, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: wanted to cop in Kagerou/Yuuka
/Aya
then narrowed it down to Yuuka
That's what I get from going from memory, they were sus of Aya but they never mentioned wanting to cop her
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Post Post #4485 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:59 am

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Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?
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Post Post #4486 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:02 am

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In post 4485, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?
For me it's more that I townread Aya/Koishi/Daiyousei/Reisen and that just leaves Marisa/Yuuka/Kagerou
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Post Post #4487 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:03 am

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In post 4486, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 4485, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?
For me it's more that I townread Aya/Koishi/Daiyousei/Reisen and that just leaves Marisa/Yuuka/Kagerou
Which of those reads are mech and which are "pure"?
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Post Post #4488 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:06 am

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In post 4487, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
In post 4486, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 4485, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?
For me it's more that I townread Aya/Koishi/Daiyousei/Reisen and that just leaves Marisa/Yuuka/Kagerou
Which of those reads are mech and which are "pure"?
Aya/Koishi are entirely mech
Reisen is mostly reads with an element of scum-scum hood
Daiyousei is entirely reads
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Post Post #4489 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:10 am

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What do you think about killing Kagerou here?
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Post Post #4490 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:11 am

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But like, what if you didn't rely on mech reads at all, would you still have Aya and I that high? Or do you truly believe we are IMPOSSIBLE to be scum, not just as a team but as anyone's partner either?
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Post Post #4491 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:13 am

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In post 4489, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: What do you think about killing Kagerou here?
I'm listening.

I'm tired of drag-our-feet playing. It's gotten us absolutely nowhere effective. We are only not in crisis because either scum made a very cheeky delay gabit (low odds imo) or Aya just saved our sorry asses with a GREAT single-use role usage. (high odds, IMO) We need to rally and start massively upswinging the solve-mood in the air. I want everyone's cases, I want this to be a page of lol casewalls where everything just lays it all out.
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Post Post #4492 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:14 am

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In post 4490, Koishi Komeiji wrote: But like, what if you didn't rely on mech reads at all, would you still have Aya and I that high? Or do you truly believe we are IMPOSSIBLE to be scum, not just as a team but as anyone's partner either?
I have not bothered to sort either of you since the mech clear.

I don't think scum Aya asks to be copped N1 in the Clownpiece hood then kills her partner N1

Because I don't think Aya is scum, that mechanically clears you since scum shot you N1 due to Kagerou claiming the Tenshi shot
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Post Post #4493 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:20 am

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In post 4491, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
In post 4489, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: What do you think about killing Kagerou here?
I'm listening.

I'm tired of drag-our-feet playing. It's gotten us absolutely nowhere effective. We are only not in crisis because either scum made a very cheeky delay gabit (low odds imo) or Aya just saved our sorry asses with a GREAT single-use role usage. (high odds, IMO) We need to rally and start massively upswinging the solve-mood in the air. I want everyone's cases, I want this to be a page of lol casewalls where everything just lays it all out.
It's mostly POE. We know there's an unclaimed (so scum) passive disable N2 on me. Kagerou has a sus shot on Tenshi. Kagerou had an unclaimed passive disable N1 that she only bothered to claim D3 when I said my passives got disabled on a night that she flavor copped an Ascetic claim over literally anyone else. I think Kagerou Burglarized me and is lying about it, and I don't see any reason for town Kagerou to lie about it but plenty of reason for scum Kagerou to flavor cop me when her only other target would be Marisa with the Remilia/Flandre claim or Daiyousei who I'm pretty sure already slipped in thread that they're Dai at that point
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Post Post #4494 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:42 am

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Also, Kagerou's passive is already known: She gets mod confirmed as
Marisa Kirisame
at the start of the game. Why would scum bother to disable that passive?
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Post Post #4495 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:00 pm

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In post 4494, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Also, Kagerou's passive is already known: She gets mod confirmed as
Marisa Kirisame
at the start of the game. Why would scum bother to disable that passive?
Noting that this is something gif has been known to do before as well. Ie a passive that announced flavor. And he's done a scum vig before too. Is is possibly both?
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Post Post #4496 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:05 pm

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In post 4495, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
In post 4494, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Also, Kagerou's passive is already known: She gets mod confirmed as
Marisa Kirisame
at the start of the game. Why would scum bother to disable that passive?
Noting that this is something gif has been known to do before as well. Ie a passive that announced flavor. And he's done a scum vig before too. Is is possibly both?
I don't see why there can't be a scum vig given Koishi BG + Kaguya Doc + Tenshi Bulletproof + Clownpiece Commute + Aya Redirect, there's enough stuff in there that'd prevent scum from killing a high value target that would justify giving scum an extra jugg shot
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Post Post #4497 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:31 pm

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Yes. This is a theory I am realistically evaluating as decent odds.
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Post Post #4498 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:34 pm

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Are we back?
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Post Post #4499 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:11 pm

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In post 4485, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Is everyone really reading Yuuka as scum that strongly? Am I completely off base in thinking that Yuuka is town?
Nah, you’re correct. But you can’t know that until later unfortunately.
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