Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m not really sure that reading Reisen as town does much other than prove them right if they flip town though. It’s a minuscule town read bump, when being ambivalent or hostile gets you a dead town member and arguably zero push back given Reisen’s play z ambivalence especially is a pretty good position to take if you can do it right.

Their Reissn read does not feel natural though.

I’m probably going back to Kagerou and going to be wrong there instead.

VOTE: Kagerou

Please note that positionally it probably makes less sense for me to move my vote to lager out than to keep it on Reisen that announced they are not going to fight back and made a post that isn’t going to blow people’s neutral-scum reads away.

I just am not feeling it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

To be clear, I’m voting Kagerou because their play has been subjectively the worst this day phase.

I am not married to it. But I think it has slightly better chances of landing on scum.

On the other hand, resolving Kaguya here would be illuminating and might make it easier to solve the game next phase.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I flip town, what's the illumination?

[Yuuka Kazami]

As always the likely conf town may just take the wheel at any time and I won’t object unless it’s directly me they want to kill. But it’s in their best interests for me to fight them off.

I dunno if I actually can tho.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I flip town, what's the illumination?

Dai’s town.

Marisa+ Reisen + Kagerou has the scum team.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

That's literally my solve

[Yuuka Kazami]

Well, yeah. From your perspective it’s a lot easier than from my perspective isn’t it?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Just skip the hassle and join me on the correct solve

[Yuuka Kazami]

Just skip the hassle and join me on the correct solve

Always a temping proposition when I just really really want things to be simple when it’s staring me in the face. I never know tho.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That’s the first step though. Thank you for reaching out your hand, metaphorically.

It’s something to weigh.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Is town about to find each other or am I going to get fucked here.

With a scum team that is more active and hard working or one that less active and on the side lines even though they just landed a kill on clown piece which appears to have been a small victory.
And should have provided a bump.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Mostly because I don’t think larva tries to get me and others, i don’t know if they actually did this with anyone else, to reconsider on kagerou day 1 with their 1v1 if kagerou is their partner.

Wasn't Larva moving to a "Kagerou isn't scum" position at the end of the day?

I do agree on your reasons to townread Ichirin, and like, i think sie's barely above >rand for flipping scum, but i was thinking about who else i was voting if not hir and i kinda blanked on names, don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

i'm also more comfortable killing a role we know is at worse low utility anyways rather than outing more claims, we already have 3 roles out

hmmmmmmm this is fair

which annoys me

please start answering me with generically scummy responses so my confidence is not shaken

today i learned Kagerou is claiming a dayvig shot and i am left questioning why they wouldn’t just keep this to themselves as scum and just shoot an obvtown player in the event they become the elimination for today

or why as scum they would just lie about a role that should be provable

i hate this for me

i am whatever-ing my reasons for townreading Koishi because they are solely because of her role claim shenanigans

Kagerou’s is at least provable and i wanna give them a chance to hit scum so i don’t have to utilize too much brainpower if they shoot correctly

Koishi will be a question mark as long as she remains alive

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Also can someone walk me through why Marisa is townie cause I'm feeling like we're back in day1landia where Marisa was getting townread for charisma over actually doing townie things

[Marisa Kirisame]

Sorry I do not have time to play this properly. I should have more time closer to deadline, but I can't promise.

I think I want either Kaguya or Reisen flipped today. A huge preference for Kaguya.

Daiyousei, what made you unvote Kaguya?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Yuuka why are you voting Kagerou

[Marisa Kirisame]

Not why are you scumreading Kagerou, but why are you voting someone that's not one of Kaguya/Reisen (or me, if you agree with Kaguya)

[Yuuka Kazami]

I was voting Reisen, their post about not being back by deadline scared me away. Because I've seen posts like that before.

Kagerou's play is just, in my view bad, this and last day phase. It's largely unreadable and he should have been put into a position where he had to give more information a while ago. But he hasn't. Beyond the minimum of revealing what he's been up to at night.
Which, while appreciated just isn't enough. I need more and I needed more yesterday.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Not why are you scumreading Kagerou, but why are you voting someone that's not one of Kaguya/Reisen (or me, if you agree with Kaguya)

Aya said not to and I don't have the context Kaguya has.
I'm fine just interpreting what you results are tomorrow and then trying my best to see if it's bullshit or not.

[Yuuka Kazami]

If you feel like doing me a solid, if you could lie about your result on me if you're scum so I have an objective scum read, I'd very much appreciate it. Arguing is lot easier than trying to figure out who the scum are.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It also neatly gives me more information about which way I should lean on the Kaguya/Dai
Marisa/Kagerou dichotomy.
If kagerou flips scum I just need to survive to win.

I'd say Reisen was the designated miselim today, but let's be real.
Either Kaguya is scum and in control of the thread and direction or scum doesn't have any control over this thread almost at all.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

It also neatly gives me more information about which way I should lean on the Kaguya/Dai
Marisa/Kagerou dichotomy.
If kagerou flips scum I just need to survive to win.

I don't get what this means

[Yuuka Kazami]

Conspiracy theory: Dai loud commuted/exited the game, you shot clown piece.
Puzzle solved.
it's just terribly unlikely but it solves the game using your own sort of reasoning so it has a special place in my heart.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I've been pretty clear that I don't want to die because the chances of town winning with my death is pretty dismal.
I don't really do the rollover and die thing.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Conspiracy theory: Dai loud commuted/exited the game, you shot clown piece.
Puzzle solved.

What do I gotta do to make that game into reality

Do you think the loud commute makes sense when Dai explicitly said she'd try to get herself killed D2 when she could have just kept quiet about that part and played normally? Especially given that it'd have been impossible to predict that I'd be put in the Clown hood which would make this play even possible

[Kaguya Houraisan]

if people do end up taking interest in trying to math the game out then i should probably publicly say that i am going to spend the rest of the game actively trying to be an extra nightkill, because this is a thing i can do and it will take me off the final day mislim track i'm starting to suspect i've been put on

Like do you think a loud commuter says this?