How are you so certain it can’t be HEM? You’re assuming he was in the same boat you were but how can you be certain he wasn’t the one trying to build a resistance against his partner? He used “experience” logic to explain why he’s never do the things he did as scum but isn’t that possibly just a strategy? Saying he’d NEVER do that because he’s so smart and experienced just gives him a reason to do it so he could look town. Sounds like you’re biased because all 3 experienced players were parroting the same ideas and so you feel supported. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible for you to be played.
I’m not saying you need to say he’s scum and vote him but it’s weird you won’t even keep him as a possibility.
Sick of me trying to figure out who is scum? This is such a weird response. I’m clearly invested in this and only pushing back against those trying to close our options up into only a few players.
Sick of me trying to figure out who is scum? This is such a weird response. I’m clearly invested in this and only pushing back against those trying to close our options up into only a few players.
This isn’t scumhunting, it’s petty bickering bullshit and it’s giving me a migraine. Stop trying to meta POV-check people and making up reasons to get offended by everything from Jackson/HEM. It’s blatantly anti-town at this point
In post 2102, KayJayQueue wrote:
How are you so certain it can’t be HEM? You’re assuming he was in the same boat you were but how can you be certain he wasn’t the one trying to build a resistance against his partner? He used “experience” logic to explain why he’s never do the things he did as scum but isn’t that possibly just a strategy? Saying he’d NEVER do that because he’s so smart and experienced just gives him a reason to do it so he could look town. Sounds like you’re biased because all 3 experienced players were parroting the same ideas and so you feel supported. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible for you to be played.
I’m not saying you need to say he’s scum and vote him but it’s weird you won’t even keep him as a possibility.
It could be, I'm not pushing HEM because I don't believe he's a wolf. His logic through the end half of D1 was good to me. I acknowledged it, realised that he actually had decent points and then I couldn't not see what he was seeing (regarding the two snivy/purple specifically). I believe he's town because his mindset seems pure, I reciprocate a lot of the arguments he had used and from a particular point I didn't read as if he was trying to pull anybody along maliciously.
I said "never" as hyperbole to state my read on the situation, I thought you'd know how I play at this point but I guess not.
You say we're biased but by you saying that.. you realise you're discounting us?
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
To be even more clear. From my perspective, HEM wasn't playing in a way to gather people to his wagon. He was and has been from pretty much the start of the game just casually trodding on through trying to solve the game when even myself at the time was barraging him for shit that didn't really matter. He was trying to solve the game, I can feel it in my BONES babe
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
In post 2102, KayJayQueue wrote:
How are you so certain it can’t be HEM? You’re assuming he was in the same boat you were but how can you be certain he wasn’t the one trying to build a resistance against his partner? He used “experience” logic to explain why he’s never do the things he did as scum but isn’t that possibly just a strategy? Saying he’d NEVER do that because he’s so smart and experienced just gives him a reason to do it so he could look town. Sounds like you’re biased because all 3 experienced players were parroting the same ideas and so you feel supported. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible for you to be played.
I’m not saying you need to say he’s scum and vote him but it’s weird you won’t even keep him as a possibility.
It could be, I'm not pushing HEM because I don't believe he's a wolf. His logic through the end half of D1 was good to me. I acknowledged it, realised that he actually had decent points and then I couldn't not see what he was seeing (regarding the two snivy/purple specifically). I believe he's town because his mindset seems pure, I reciprocate a lot of the arguments he had used and from a particular point I didn't read as if he was trying to pull anybody along maliciously.
I said "never" as hyperbole to state my read on the situation, I thought you'd know how I play at this point but I guess not.
You say we're biased but by you saying that.. you realise you're discounting us?
I’m sorry that I read your hyperbole as genuine, it felt genuine. And by not seeming open to anyone else being an option, how is that not bias? Calling it out isn’t discounting you, it’s calling out bias. I’m just not to ready to eliminate half the players from being scum just because 2 people say so. And that’s what I felt was happening.
In post 2109, JacksonVirgo wrote:
To be even more clear. From my perspective, HEM wasn't playing in a way to gather people to his wagon. He was and has been from pretty much the start of the game just casually trodding on through trying to solve the game when even myself at the time was barraging him for shit that didn't really matter. He was trying to solve the game, I can feel it in my BONES babe
In post 1776, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
not gonna stop a snivy elimination, but i still think purple is the best elimination and i think i have the numbers anyway.
hem, snivy, jv, ydrasse, ketchup if it's also in his solve, kjq if she wants an elimination, and a forced hammer.
It felt like he was kind of trying to gather people?
Everybody is biased in their own way. That's the human experience. My read on it is based on my own logical analysis of the situation. If you thought I was trying to discount you based on me saying this, can I offer you a discussion about what i'm saying instead? Instead of throwing cease-and-desist notices on each others reads.
What part of my analysis on the resistance do you disagree with?
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
In post 2109, JacksonVirgo wrote:
To be even more clear. From my perspective, HEM wasn't playing in a way to gather people to his wagon. He was and has been from pretty much the start of the game just casually trodding on through trying to solve the game when even myself at the time was barraging him for shit that didn't really matter. He was trying to solve the game, I can feel it in my BONES babe
In post 1776, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
not gonna stop a snivy elimination, but i still think purple is the best elimination and i think i have the numbers anyway.
hem, snivy, jv, ydrasse, ketchup if it's also in his solve, kjq if she wants an elimination, and a forced hammer.
It felt like he was kind of trying to gather people?
Of course he was, that's the game. He wasn't focusing on that. He was focusing on a solve
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
NKA is me assuming Ydrasse was a low-info kill because the scum liked the position they assumed D2 would start with. Which I would assume is exactly what is happening
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
In post 2113, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Everybody is biased in their own way. That's the human experience. My read on it is based on my own logical analysis of the situation. If you thought I was trying to discount you based on me saying this, can I offer you a discussion about what i'm saying instead? Instead of throwing cease-and-desist notices on each others reads.
What part of my analysis on the resistance do you disagree with?
I disagree that there was no resistance to the skitter/snivy wagon. I disagree that no one was pushing back. I disagree that your analysis means scum was 100% on the wagon.
Sick of me trying to figure out who is scum? This is such a weird response. I’m clearly invested in this and only pushing back against those trying to close our options up into only a few players.
This isn’t scumhunting, it’s petty bickering bullshit and it’s giving me a migraine. Stop trying to meta POV-check people and making up reasons to get offended by everything from Jackson/HEM. It’s blatantly anti-town at this point
I’m not anti-town at all. I was trying to stop a wagon on you but if that’s anti-town I guess that means your scum and I should vote you. See how silly that sounds? I just want a discussion where everyone discusses all the options. And some people are making that hard.
And I don’t know what meta-POV check means so if I’m doing something, it’s unintentional.
In post 2113, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Everybody is biased in their own way. That's the human experience. My read on it is based on my own logical analysis of the situation. If you thought I was trying to discount you based on me saying this, can I offer you a discussion about what i'm saying instead? Instead of throwing cease-and-desist notices on each others reads.
What part of my analysis on the resistance do you disagree with?
I disagree that there was no resistance to the skitter/snivy wagon. I disagree that no one was pushing back. I disagree that your analysis means scum was 100% on the wagon.
So I'm not saying there was exactly zero resistance because that would mean everybody wanted Snivy which was clearly not the case. What I am saying is that there was a lot of resistance against the snivy wagon. From where it stood from my own perspective, and I am exaggerating of course to make a point, it felt like Snivy was red-checked and I was pushing against a wagon that was almost lock-scum. It was a wagon that dug itself into hardening concrete and was not budging even when I was putting my all into pushing against it, and onto a counterwagon. I don't expect a wagon to be THAT hard to push against in a general game, let alone one that ended up flipping a wolf.
I am assuming here that scum committed to a bus, either completely (like ketchup) or passively (like flush). They couldn't risk jumping off because they'd look bad so they stayed in some degree at the very least, feeding into the almost locked wagon yesterday. If scum was off wagon, I don't think the wagon would have done what it did or felt like it felt. I really don't see that as a likely possibility. Hence why I believe scum was on-wagon, and the scum I'm looking at is Flush specifically which I scum-read even before the flip even happened because of their awkward positioning and scummy behaviour which people just immediately disregarded
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
Flush is almost appealing to me and HEM specifically if he's a wolf, which is a weird decision as we didn't have the thread control as much as Kay/Ketchup
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
