Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[Sunflower]

i think on play it's still really hard for me to imagine a world where this isn't scum!catgirls

the mech makes things harder for me to parse but maybe it's just getting in the way

[Sunflower]

ydra can we talk sometime

[Sunflower]

ydra can we talk sometime

yes start us off

what's up with your read on us

[Sunflower]

ydra can we talk sometime

yes start us off

what's up with your read on us

it’s probably marginal concern right now i’m a little troubled by all of the slips and strange thoughts like about the 1v1 but idk. at a certain point i do have to figure out a second wolf so ehhh?
rereading i’ve been more focused on the cc slots. had a whim to vote outside of it for a while but then no one is apparently dreamer anymore oopsies

also i think one of your heads did a large post in twilight that i felt was sort of case-y or narrative-y at times but other than that i’m a void

for me i guess trying to figure out second wolf is occupying a large portion of my mind so i was wondering what your thoughts were on that. since for me i think who that could be affects my read on the 1v1 so in my reading im giving it the same importance

i think also it's fairly easy for my brain to want to fill you in as a scum partner here particularly when you're not as forthcoming with your thoughts, but if you are town then i think i am probably better able to find that through direct engagement

i also idk i just think you can read me if you're town and i think you as wolf would benefit from having your read on our slot be in a nebulous state so i would like it to be de-nebulified if possible

i did make a large post that was case-y and narrative-y but that was bc i felt like i needed to bc scum killed all the case-y town people and so i thought we were gonna just run over

[Sunflower]

I think Jupiter and fire being on opposite ends of the Catgirl/Silver Ravens 1v1 is hella scummy. Much like Catgirls' split on the Von/Kirigiri 1v1

It feels like fake dissonance being weaponized for an agenda

these are substantially different situations. the catgirls split you were right i think, that was scummy because it benefits them heavily, alisae could hard push kyoko and then after a townflip maria can show up and push the other side

here that benefit pretty obviously doesn't apply. can you elaborate on your thought process on what the agenda is that you think the dissonance is being weaponized for?

[Sunflower]

like idk i think if we were scum here then i would be fully informed of the gamestate and i would know what the ideal path to victory here is and i would have been planning how to reach that for a while

i can't really think of a world where dissonance in this situation would help with that possible plan so im not sure what makes you think that it would

[Sunflower]

okay yeah idk i understand the struggle of it

i think i felt most grounded in the game on day 1 and then since then it's been hard. finding town confidently here especially has been hard for me

if you have any questions or anything that you think would help then lmk

[Sunflower]

at a certain point i do have to figure out a second wolf so ehhh?
rereading i’ve been more focused on the cc slots. had a whim to vote outside of it for a while but then no one is apparently dreamer anymore oopsies

i guess i see it as like two teams or something but even then the hydra dissonance makes it not so neat and that’s ick and just

these feel like different mindsets to me

[Sunflower]

maybe im misunderstanding then idk

what do you mean by two teams

[Sunflower]

fmpov it broadly was aligning as you/catgirls vs payne/ravens (i do not ever vote enchant this game probably) but it’s more muddled than i thought. that the game would fall into two camps makes sense to me if there is a double voter in play where you can Almost always brute force if things work out well the day prior

i guess i thought that if you were sorting the game into two camps then sorting among the others can help resolve the 1v1, so reading for both can be useful. and also resolving the 1v1 points you to where the second wolf is so the "i guess at some point i have to find the second wolf" didn't make sense to me with that mindset

but if it's more muddled then maybe not

[Sunflower]

oh another random thought is that i’m p uncomfortable with wolf catgirls posting what they did today and thag was why i was slightly leaning town on them but i think that it could be wolf frustration too at not being able to do the doublevote today

i also felt unsure that would come from a wolf and that was a big part of me having doubts there

[Sunflower]

what was the lie

[Sunflower]

both of you initially said that you didn't control where enchant's reporter went?

i don't get how that's a lie

[Sunflower]

if you had to guess then so did they. you said the same thing

[Sunflower]

We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

oh that
i msg'd ffery about that as soon as I found out and it turns out I had nothing to do with it

I thought I could hand out a thingy but I couldn't

these are the same thing and ravens said it first

what are you saying that you had to "blatantly guess"?

[Sunflower]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

i think it's hard to know why the dreamer would be kept alive without knowing the specifics of how the scum power works. but either way the dreamer is alive, so i don't really get why it's relevant

i think that exaggerating something into calling it a lie and clearing for you when it seems to be neither of those things is not something that you would feel the need to do here as town so i am more interested in that

[Sunflower]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

enchant confirmed that it went to ravens so ravens would know where it went regardless of their alignment

[Sunflower]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

i think it's hard to know why the dreamer would be kept alive without knowing the specifics of how the scum power works. but either way the dreamer is alive, so i don't really get why it's relevant

i think that exaggerating something into calling it a lie and clearing for you when it seems to be neither of those things is not something that you would feel the need to do here as town so i am more interested in that

We know that scum is hunting the dreamer and that they probably want the dreamer dead (see rule 14 in the set) I don't see why scum would just keep the known dreamer alive in the world Silver is building and the answer is that world doesn't exist. How is this not seen as relevant to you?

if they have a dream hijacking power that seems like the reason they would want the dreamer alive, and would explain rule 14?

[Sunflower]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

enchant confirmed that it went to ravens so ravens would know where it went regardless of their alignment

When was this?

????

isn't this what you said they were lying about?

[Sunflower]

we don't know how the hijacking power works

[Sunflower]

Okay so.

Mod said i should give this thing out as i used camera.
I gived it to Ravens (don't ask why i did).

Nah we got it Enchant. We were waiting to see if you would claim that or not, and if Von Payne's claim would contradict our results when it came to their turn to claim. We thought we were confirmed town at start of the day, and then Catgirl Chipotle cc'd and we wanted to see what they had to say about the reporter and if they would get caught in a lie.

Reread what we wrote, we didn't say we didn't get it, we said we didn't choose who it went to. We did use our ability on Von Payne and saw that they went nowhere.

i don't understand what you've been saying this whole time that ravens lied about if you're now saying you didn't see this

explain pls

[Sunflower]

where did ravens claim that they didn't know where it went?

[Sunflower]

where did ravens claim that they didn't know where it went?

In. . .the same post you just quoted

it doesn't say that???

[Sunflower]

even if it did say that (it very clearly does not), i don't get why they would lie as scum since scum!ravens would still know that they had the reporter

[Sunflower]

as far as i can understand (and my brain is small for the record), both of what you two have claimed is mechanically plausible

[Sunflower]

balance-wise idk but like the claims seem to check out to be generally believable

[Sunflower]

So if we knew it was you then the mafia would become the dreamer way sooner than that.

what does this mean

[Sunflower]

And remember the dead villager that called out Von for being fake and we got rid of sadly.

They also called you mafia

They said Von first but go off

they actually didn't, she called you mafia coming into the day and then got caught up in the von payne claim situation and ended up 1v1ing there instead

i reread all of this pretty thoroughly and the day felt like it was starting as a kyoko vs catgirls 1v1

[Sunflower]

it's saying they didn't choose where the 2nd watcher (enchant's) went

[Sunflower]

There's so many holes and those holes are stuff they don't know so they just said "oh we didn't get a choice"

this is literally the same thing that you said you should be cleared over

[Sunflower]

idk if there's any point to this tbh it keeps going in circles

[Sunflower]

You can vote us if you think it's us I would be happy for this game to be over I'm only here out of respect for the dead villagers

OKOK BET
fire said he thinks it's literally always you and i trust him so

get blammed!!!!

blasts you!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: catgirls

[Sunflower]

i'm going to cry

[Sunflower]

i don't think jupiter was expecting that to be a hammer

for the record i did not expect him to vote although i was probably always going to land there eventually

[Sunflower]

Team is Silver+Sun.

Sun wouldn't knew it was hammer If not doublevote.

Good luck.

i didnt

[Sunflower]

was there a hidden double vote? i don't get it

[Sunflower]

i didn't know it was going to be a hammer, it shouldn't have hammered

[Sunflower]

i think this was planned to try to make whichever town ended up voting catgirls first look bad

[Sunflower]

i didn't know it was going to be a hammer, it shouldn't have hammered

Literally screamed BLASTING YOU.

that is just something he says lol

[Sunflower]

i didn't know it was going to be a hammer, it shouldn't have hammered

Literally screamed BLASTING YOU.

BECAUSE THATS WHATI DO

[Sunflower]

still my bad i guess

i really thought it was catgirls

[Sunflower]

Nice habit.


Haha gg ez i was scum what you gonna do, vig me?

Haha stupid townies?


No wait it was joke i was always like that.

what

[Sunflower]

this game is so wild actually

[Sunflower]

it has to be von payne i think

[Sunflower]

i wonder if it just auto triggers when someone gets put at e-1

that would be really lame

[Sunflower]

btw if we were scum we would have done that back near the start of day when there were two votes on catgirls

[Sunflower]

its my fault not jupiter's i told him i was confident

[Sunflower]

enchant feels like the towniest enchant ive ever seen

[Sunflower]

like enough even to override me scumreading gimli every time i come across one of his posts again

[Sunflower]

im not sure if i could have honestly

i should have maybe but i think i just really wanted to believe that wolves were in control of the gamestate

[Sunflower]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

i think this bothers me mostly because it falls into a line of play of theoretical wolf that's like "jupiter has been told to really sell up the energy and naivety and zest and the silly slips over and over"

wdym zest

[Sunflower]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

wdym

[Sunflower]

oh ok i thought you were calling me zesty

[Sunflower]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

wdym

"i trust fire!" and absolve responsibility by playing into aforementioned energy is a possible wolf strat

fire is my better half how could i not trust him

[Sunflower]

oh ok i thought you were calling me zesty

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

wdym

"i trust fire!" and absolve responsibility by playing into aforementioned energy is a possible wolf strat

fire is my better half how could i not trust him

these posts in sequence made me laugh

[Sunflower]

sorry

[Sunflower]

you do understand how convenient that is right like youre not dumb

i am merely jesting

[Sunflower]

all other living players? lmao

[Sunflower]

It may be possible Von is mafia (with Von idea of voting to "check" double vote), but for real i don't buy it.

If it's Ydrasse. Well. It's not Ydrasse.

well it isn't us

[Sunflower]

if we lose this here it's on me, sorry

[Sunflower]

gamers its so joever

[Sunflower]

wait I just realized, why didn't we no elim there? We were at six players

[Sunflower]

oh.... right... because the next day scum could instahammer

[Sunflower]

anyways this thread is now my personal blog we are so back

[Sunflower]

uuuughhhhhhh i hate night phases now everyone just has to sit and wait for the game to end can't we all just fastnight

[Sunflower]

BANGS MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL we are SO not back!!!! its so over

[Sunflower]

does this count as fluff? probably, but no one's talking about the game anyway

[Sunflower]

i'm going to rank all the pokemon starters
actually i am not going to because it's hard, but i might make a tierlist

[Sunflower]

i don't really like any of the kanto starters tbh they're like, iconic, but they are just not very appealing to the eye when they're not in pixels

[Sunflower]

this is made primarily based on personal attachment and a bit on design
pikachu is in D tier because i'm sorry i love you pikachu but i don't respect you, especially not as a starter

[Sunflower]

cyndaquil and mudkip, on second thought, should be in the A tier

[Sunflower]

i love cyndaquil more than i love mudkip
sprigatito was originally going to be lower but i couldn't separate the cats, so i didnt

[Sunflower]

siigh im bored

[Sunflower]

pagetop

[Sunflower]

Breaking News from the Field of Dreams:

Who the hell is not voting for fast night? Your blatant ignorance of the current game state is causing the game to slowly devolve into some low quality pokemon tier list discussion (Bulbasaur is not even Tier A SMH)

this feels like an intervention from god

[Sunflower]

ok to defend myself I do like bulbasaur, whenever i play firered i always choose bulbasaur, i just htink the bulbasaur line is not competitively viable and looks really really ugly outside of pixels. a lot of the starters look way better in pixel sprites

[Sunflower]

LMAO

ydra our savior???

[Sunflower]

that kind of sucks though that ydra isn't here actually i think we still lose

[Sunflower]

i wonder if we can still see ydra's votes in the vc

maybe she can talk to us in morse code by blinking votes on and off

[Sunflower]

actually the phrasing is kinda ambiguous. i can't tell if she comes back to the thread after night 5

[Sunflower]

if she does then it doesn't matter much

[Sunflower]

im town

[Sunflower]

pog

[Sunflower]

ok well we can speed through silver and then the gang's all here

it'll be like she was never even gone

[Sunflower]

i still think that car seat is antitown and ill take this one to the grave

[Sunflower]

i still think that car seat is antitown and ill take this one to the grave

i used that wrong but i mean ill believe in it foreber

[Sunflower]

won't be around for deadline. upon reread, i'm incredibly confident that it's von payne and not enchant. also, since silver ravens is more or less confirmed scum i think that the scumslip push on me reads as tmi and indicates that scum does in fact have the ability to reveal dreams

[Sunflower]

if anyone wants to talk i'm willing to talk. i'll be here for the next like, ten to fifteen minutes

[Sunflower]

pagetop

[Sunflower]

unironically black like i'm 100% sure you're scum here

[Sunflower]

probably not how to use unironically but it's like. it's a modifier and it expresses how real i am being with this

[Sunflower]

yes meriam-webster (how do i spell the first one) defines it as sincere thank you meriam webste rdictionary
a lot of the words i use are absorbed from literature and other things so i only see them in-context and generally never learn their specific definition so i be out here using words that i don't know

[Sunflower]

ive used unironically before but only in a meme context

[Sunflower]

for the record

[Sunflower]

also can someone fast nightplease

[Sunflower]

It's no coincidence he did that after ydra said she thought it was me

homegirl i said this during moonlight phase

[Sunflower]

I think Jupiter's hammer on Catgirls is still really bad optics

mf how was i supposed to know it was a hammer

[Sunflower]

sorry i kinda mentally checked out of this a little bit bc i felt like how the rest of this game was gonna go was extremely predictable to me and i was feeling sort of hopeless bc it feels to me like there probably wasn't really anything that could be done that would affect the outcome

and kinda just generally Not Feeling Great about how poorly ive played this game

but i think i owe it to all the people in the dead thread, who are probably screaming rn, to try to win even if i feel like i personally deserve to lose

so yea hi enchant. i think you're very likely going to be the deciding vote here. idk why you think you're gonna die. but please at least weigh options and likelihoods etc and not just base your vote off the way one vote looks. cause like idk i understand it doesn't look great on a surface level and maybe you think that even if we're town you're justified in voting us cause we deserve to lose after that which is fair i guess. but i think that we wouldn't have much reason to play things that way if we were scum

[Sunflower]

me saying the neighborhood n1 was wolf theatre makes sense because it was in fact a wolf and someone wolfsiding (i say this not harshly but like solving with a wolf yknow)

no i think thats fair

i cringed a lot looking back at n1

[Sunflower]

I'm not sure how we're ever gonna convince the other townie that we're townie. But Jupiter coming in here saying he's 100% sure it's me should be a dead giveaway

i think this is a mistake because it's a misunderstanding of what the current gamestate would look like to a town!von payne. there's like the general temptation as scum to always look like you're solving and working towards an answer to avoid looking like you already have one, but i think that it's not really realistic in this scenario

i think there's basically zero chance that enchant is scum here, jupiter agrees, ydra agrees. but still they're acting like a town mindset is Supposed to be unsure here and considering all options, because that's what they are trying to imitate themselves. they aren't genuinely trying to sort things. and so they point out jupiter being sure on things as something that "should be a dead giveaway" because it's something they were trying to avoid themselves, not because it's something that actually makes sense as a reason for our slot to be more likely to be scum

the arguments here are framing things as "looking bad" because they know that our actions don't have scum motivation behind them. it's just gotcha attempts

[Sunflower]

is it incredibly bad optics or is it doing it in a relatively towny way?

[Sunflower]

like you could try to argue that we're scum who for some reason decided to bet the game on things not being over when ydra clearly was softing a role that potentially could affect things

or you could try to argue that we're scum who thought we could get away with voting if we did it in a towny looking way (while also deciding not to just be patient and play things out in a fairly normal way)

both of these i think don't hold very much water at least beyond the surface level but you especially can't really pick and choose between them based on whichever suits your point at the time, bc they would depend on very different mindsets/motivations

[Sunflower]

enchant think about what knowledge scum von payne would have here and what their pov would be

[Sunflower]

i kinda doubt enchant would ever listen to me but there's a good reason i said what i did

[Sunflower]

If we think ydra reveals dreams, that does not make her town.

wait i might be misremembering setup but doesn't scum already have dream hijinks shit like they can choose a dream to see and then axe it???

So uh, I don't see any mention of this in the setup notes in post 1. All the post says is that the Bad Dreams confer secretly and then create a discard priority. It doesn't say they choose a dream to see.

I think it's possible that you are mafia and that mafia could have a role that does what you are describing and that you confused that with public info in making this post

If we think ydra reveals dreams, that does not make her town.

wait i might be misremembering setup but doesn't scum already have dream hijinks shit like they can choose a dream to see and then axe it???

So uh, I don't see any mention of this in the setup notes in post 1. All the post says is that the Bad Dreams confer secretly and then create a discard priority. It doesn't say they choose a dream to see.

I think it's possible that you are mafia and that mafia could have a role that does what you are describing and that you confused that with public info in making this post

i'mpretty sure scum has to know what the dream is if they want to remove it???

Why are you pretty sure about that?

We've been voting for dreams without knowing what they are, based on the names.

Why are you pretty sure about that?

We've been voting for dreams without knowing what they are, based on the names.

idk it just makes sense

OK. So I am circling back to thinking it is possible that what you described is correct but you are mafia and somebody has a role that allows for this to happen, and you unintentionally let this slip.

OK. So I am circling back to thinking it is possible that what you described is correct but you are mafia and somebody has a role that allows for this to happen, and you unintentionally let this slip.

im not really sure this is a slip, whyu are you so sold on this? is it because youre scum and you know for a fact that there's a scum pr that allows them to reveal dreams?

This feels like theatre. Especially Jupiter's scumread on SR at the end

buddy i was being sarcastic, “it’s not like i townread you or anything”

[Sunflower]

btw if we were scum we would have done that back near the start of day when there were two votes on catgirls

like you could try to argue that we're scum who for some reason decided to bet the game on things not being over when ydra clearly was softing a role that potentially could affect things

or you could try to argue that we're scum who thought we could get away with voting if we did it in a towny looking way

(while also deciding not to just be patient and play things out in a fairly normal way)

both of these i think don't hold very much water at least beyond the surface level but you especially can't really pick and choose between them based on whichever suits your point at the time, bc they would depend on very different mindsets/motivations

I think there's a contradiction here. Fire uses some bad wifom to say they would have just hammered Catgirls at the start of the day if they were scum. Then he suggests in the second post that they would have just been patient and let things play out in a fairly normal way

my point is that there's two options, either the route of trying to push the lim through (in which case do it earlier), or there's the route of being patient (in which case do it later)

idk what we would have done as scum but it wouldn't have been what happened

[Sunflower]

i wasnt serious about turning it back on you, not like you're one of my townreads but whatevr i guess

this is sarcasm

[Sunflower]

also if u think i’m scum and this is theatre what motive do i have to either:
a) genuinely scum slip and then yell at my scum buddy to yell about me for it (draws attention to something that literally the entire thread said wasn’t a scumslip)
or b) fake a scumslip ??? and then plan out an entire interaction???
like why do i do this ever

[Sunflower]

I don't think town!Jupiter would be confident in that read at all

sucks to suck, i’m town
now explain why this read makes me scum

[Sunflower]

i wasnt serious about turning it back on you, not like you're one of my townreads but whatevr i guess

this is sarcasm

I didn't even see this post but this makes the whole thing even scummier imo

how

[Sunflower]

do think it’s weird that enchant was like “stop scumreading me or i’ll vote you” and now black is conveniently locked into a scumread on me

[Sunflower]

also if u think i’m scum and this is theatre what motive do i have to either:
a) genuinely scum slip and then yell at my scum buddy to yell about me for it (draws attention to something that literally the entire thread said wasn’t a scumslip)
or b) fake a scumslip ??? and then plan out an entire interaction???
like why do i do this ever

If you're scum it's pretty obviously a distancing attempt. You two scumread each other and then pretend like it never happened

that didn’t happen what

[Sunflower]

my entire push on silver ravens was because they acted like it didn’t happen what

[Sunflower]

it is incredibly convenient for them to stop pushing me when the thread stops showing interest in me and despite how intensely they pushed me for my “slip” they forgot completely about it and didn’t even mention me until late in the next day, and they went right back to voting me when people were considering us as a lim
and i said that was scummy and i was right because silver ravens did flip scum

[Sunflower]

Jupiter is flailing here

what’s this mean

[Sunflower]

also if u think i’m scum and this is theatre what motive do i have to either:
a) genuinely scum slip and then yell at my scum buddy to yell about me for it (draws attention to something that literally the entire thread said wasn’t a scumslip)
or b) fake a scumslip ??? and then plan out an entire interaction???
like why do i do this ever

If you're scum it's pretty obviously a distancing attempt. You two scumread each other and then pretend like it never happened

that didn’t happen what

my entire push on silver ravens was because they acted like it didn’t happen what

It absolutely happened. There have been multiple times where SL dropped a scumread on you and then just moved on like he didn't care at all

but i care???? i was the one pushing him???? you say “you two” like i dropped my scumread on him

[Sunflower]

like i pushed him because he dropped it what

[Sunflower]

I don't think town!Jupiter would be confident in that read at all

sucks to suck, i’m town
now explain why this read makes me scum

I don't think town!you is confident in reads very often, especially in a situation where you need to reread and get a better grasp on the game. You saying that you're confident in SR being scum doesn't feel real

this is a really interesting interpretation of my towngame

[Sunflower]

I really don't like this post by Jupiter where it doesn't even seem like he's considering Kirigiri as an Aureal/Silver Ravens partner

funny how black engaged with jupiter's push on ravens at the time to discredit it but now is acting like it never happened

[Sunflower]

this is a really interesting interpretation of my towngame

Do you disagree?

yea??? you’ve literally seen me be rlly confident and incorrect about my reads before idk where all of this is coming from. but at least i’ve never been wrong in ELO before, so at least i can be confident about this

[Sunflower]

I really don't like this post by Jupiter where it doesn't even seem like he's considering Kirigiri as an Aureal/Silver Ravens partner

funny how black engaged with jupiter's push on ravens at the time to discredit it but now is acting like it never happened

Bad memory isn't funny. Nice try though

didn’t you say you read back

[Sunflower]

where did you come up with the idea that jupiter scumread ravens and then pretended it never happened? bc if you were actually reading through the iso and analyzing when you said that i think it's really clear that didn't happen

bad memory happens obviously but if you're relying on memory here to state things as if they definitively happened that way then ......

[Sunflower]

well yeah he was scum of course he wasn't genuinely interested in sorting us ???

[Sunflower]

well yeah he was scum of course he wasn't genuinely interested in sorting us ???

He showed genuine interest in sorting other people, or at least faking it. That same energy doesn't apply to you

claim evidence reasoning rn

[Sunflower]

this is a really interesting interpretation of my towngame

Do you disagree?

yea??? you’ve literally seen me be rlly confident and incorrect about my reads before idk where all of this is coming from. but at least i’ve never been wrong in ELO before, so at least i can be confident about this

I think there's a distinct difference in the conviction you display in your scum game as opposed to your town game

claim evidence reasoning

[Sunflower]

well ok maybe consider that i want you to elaborate on your interpretation of my meta because i’m self centered

[Sunflower]

well ok maybe consider that i want you to elaborate on your interpretation of my meta because i’m self centered

If Jupiter were town here and actually thought I was 100% scum then this wouldn't even cross his mind. He would be thinking that I'm making up the meta argument to make him seem scummy

no, i do think this, but since you are dead set in not engaging with me i've just decided to not argue with you

[Sunflower]

i do think that you have applied my meta incorrectly in the past and you've done it here again
like you say that i'm not confident as town in my pushes when i have been like, very sure about lots of my pushes in the past. like in open 904 i partnered black and dann despite them being tvt, partnering political clout and ranger, calling out hellbooks in elo, my only correct scumreads were on ranger and hellbooks but i was incredibly confident on all of these
and i was incredibly confident on my catgirls/silver read so i'm not sure why you think this confidence makes me scummy when i have been, in your own words, "nervous" as scum

[Sunflower]

also like i've only had one scumgame while i have two completed towngames so i'm not even sure where this is coming from, my first game on this site where i knew no one at all except for one of my scumpartners and both my buddies got limmed consecutively day one and day two.... so is using that game and generalizing it as my typical scumplay really a fair assesment? no

[Sunflower]

i know i just contradicted myself but the point is that my scum meta is non existent because i have not scum'd since and my newbie is not exactly the best thing to use to compare play between

[Sunflower]

so, yes, you're wrong on that and this is why

[Sunflower]

anyways if no one minds i'm going to talk about reasons why i'm town now because no one's asked me and i don't really want to wait for anything

[Sunflower]

or rather reasons why I cna't be scum

[Sunflower]

ok actually im busy so that'll have to wait

[Sunflower]

anyways if no one minds i'm going to talk about reasons why i'm town now because no one's asked me and i don't really want to wait for anything

or rather reasons why I cna't be scum

I think this is more likely to come from scum than town. I think a townie with such a strong scumread on me would spend their time trying to prove I'm scum instead of trying to prove they are town

the reasons I can't be scum are the reasons you are scum, I was writing a case LOL

[Sunflower]

I have a feeling that Jupiter is starting to get that guilty feeling like he got in the game we were scum together where he thinks everyone is scumreading him just because one or two people were. As a result his next natural step after our interaction was to prove his innocence

Here are some quotes from our PT

i know logically a lot of people townread me but i feel like the entire game is doing a witch hunt to find me and burn me

i'm in a really bad fucking position rn. i wish shaddow would scumread me for an actual valid reason though

tbf ive thought im in a "really fucking bad" position the whole game so maybe its not as bad as i think

i wish t3 is allowed to be in this thread so he could give me a pat on the back and be like "you're the towniest player in this game go get em tiger", lying to my face but it would help encourage me i think

nah i'd win

[Sunflower]

like unironically if im scum here id be so confident here like not even
also if two people are scumreading me technically that is the entire population

[Sunflower]

reading back i am so annoyed at myself for all the dumb reasons i kept being tempted to clear von payne

[Sunflower]

I don’t rlly think kirigiri is a wolf tho

My order is more like Von Payne/Ravens, gap, then Catgirl/Kirigiri/Sunflower in a bunch. I decided not to spend much time on Dan, and maybe that's a mistake, but oh well.

the thing im actually maybe most annoyed about is the point where i was like "it's catgirls/dan and hmm the prism kill doesn't quite fit with that but maybe they wanted to just kill a strong voice for the sake of thread control"

nope that was not why

[Sunflower]

I don’t rlly think kirigiri is a wolf tho

My order is more like Von Payne/Ravens, gap, then Catgirl/Kirigiri/Sunflower in a bunch. I decided not to spend much time on Dan, and maybe that's a mistake, but oh well.

the thing im actually maybe most annoyed about is the point where i was like "it's catgirls/dan and hmm the prism kill doesn't quite fit with that but maybe they wanted to just kill a strong voice for the sake of thread control"

nope that was not why

This is a cute attempt to bring Prism's read forward to try and get others to believe his solve

tyty. and this is a cute attempt to act like me bringing it up somehow makes it worth dismissing. obviously yes i was doing that

[Sunflower]

I don’t rlly think kirigiri is a wolf tho

My order is more like Von Payne/Ravens, gap, then Catgirl/Kirigiri/Sunflower in a bunch. I decided not to spend much time on Dan, and maybe that's a mistake, but oh well.

the thing im actually maybe most annoyed about is the point where i was like "it's catgirls/dan and hmm the prism kill doesn't quite fit with that but maybe they wanted to just kill a strong voice for the sake of thread control"

nope that was not why

This is a cute attempt to bring Prism's read forward to try and get others to believe his solve

it is cute because everything fire does is cute

[Sunflower]

[Sunflower]

so we knew enchant probably had to be the dreamer, and i think that's why enchant thought at first that they were going to get killed for sure. but von payne didn't know that for sure bc we hadn't claimed yet, so from their pov we could potentially be the dreamer. that's what i was trying to point out to enchant but idk if enchant knew that. we decided not to claim earlier bc we didn't want to out the dreamer by narrowing the pool further since we aren't a deep sleeper

we can claim now i guess although it doesn't really matter at this point

[Sunflower]

we're a nightmare silencer, which means that we are able to visit a player and if they are a bad dream, we prevent them from performing any non-killing actions that night (specifically it's only actions that occur at the end of night phase, we asked about that). we visited gimli, actiondan, catgirls, ravens, von payne.

this is the main reason why i said a few times that i thought von payne's role made more sense as town, bc it's a non-night action that we can't block so the interaction with our role is weird. but i guess it was designed that way intentionally as like a red herring, and all we can do is block aureal. unless von payne has another night power, which is possible i guess. in hindsight i think our role is actually just not as high power as i thought it was initially which is probably intentional and makes more sense given the setup

[Sunflower]

we voted for waterfall, hail mary, and green thumb but something is fucked with the votes bc i don't think things add up. i think scum may have a power to steal someone's votes or something

[Sunflower]

+ do you have any proof of that because that seems very … a lot

i mean we didn't soft or anything but you can look at how we played and it will check out

[Sunflower]

i don't think i did

[Sunflower]

if you're confused on something you can ask about it

[Sunflower]

did i forget a night? i don't think so there were 5 right

[Sunflower]

can you explain what you mean bc i like triple checked

[Sunflower]

ydra help

[Sunflower]

jfc

[Sunflower]

ill be back later.

[Sunflower]

heehee

nah

[Sunflower]

sorry you're right it's fine

[Sunflower]

it's completely fair play lol i just was feeling sick that we were going to somehow lose off a miscommunication or something when i was trying to just be as transparent as possible

all good though my bad for being upset

[Sunflower]

Man

[Sunflower]

i’m here now

[Sunflower]

smh fire can’t believe you pulled me out of class
it’s ok i like doing things for you

oh hi ydrasse

[Sunflower]

i can fix that VOTE: Von Payne

[Sunflower]

i’m not sure why fire hasn’t voted yet tbh
do u have any questions for the great jupiter

[Sunflower]

idk no reason, i forget to vote sometimes

[Sunflower]

you didn't tho

we were at the top

[Sunflower]

ik you're just twisting things but it is pretty funny to get the meta completely backwards

jupiter would be way more likely to have scumcased by now if he were scum. i don't think you can pretend to not know that

[Sunflower]

you literally argued the other side of this same point when i was trying to miselim jupiter in the assassin game

[Sunflower]

There's a reason why fire is doing all the talking now. Jupiter doesn't want to blow this for them

he's busy rn and he will be back and he's been here talking plenty. where's drew?

[Sunflower]

This is different because I know he's scum now. This isn't the gotcha that you think it is

ok but you're clearly making things up

[Sunflower]

There's a reason why fire is doing all the talking now. Jupiter doesn't want to blow this for them

i have six assignments bro

[Sunflower]

ydrasse ill answer ur question in a moment if u wanna know my in depth thought processes but the gist of it is that i generally deferred to fire

[Sunflower]

i’m not sure why fire hasn’t voted yet tbh
do u have any questions for the great jupiter

I do

Can you present that scum case on me now?

no because it is four sentences long

[Sunflower]

serious vote. get blammed VOTE: usespython

this was an e-2 vote and you were in this game

just stop it's getting annoying

[Sunflower]

if you wanna try to scumcase thats fine just do it off things that actually happened

[Sunflower]

im not having fun tbh

[Sunflower]

i love elo as scum it's easy

elo as town sucks

[Sunflower]

ydra ping if you have questions or anything

[Sunflower]

ydra was the secret wolf all along

she nightkilled herself and now she's been slow rolling us

[Sunflower]

that feels like a decade ago but i remember feeling like people piled on the wagon in a way that made me uneasy

i think the one (?) time i played with hu tao i was scum and thought she was an easy d1 miselim push and i believe we were successful in doing that, so i felt wary about that possibility, and although i didn't love her play here i didn't think it was that overtly scummy either. idr if this was before or after that post but some of the points about her confusion feeling towny felt reasonable to me

iirc jupiter suspected her more and was more interested in voting there

[Sunflower]

oh yeah i was really suspicious of gimli and actiondan back then and i think i was worldbuilding way too much around those reads

[Sunflower]

i just wanted to say that hammer was NOT ME.

[Sunflower]

prism you are so fucking cool btwwwww

[Sunflower]

holy moly hi dannflor!!!!!!!

[Sunflower]

i played very sloppy this game and am not very happy with my play at all but im glad we made it through in the end

thanks for modding it was a cool theme!

[Sunflower]

i accept constructive criticism. btw. in fact i encourage constructive criticism.

[Sunflower]

this was a terrifying town to roll scum into, a lot of y'all are very scary and hard to elim

if there's one thing im proud of this game it's working out how the social dynamics of the playerlist were going to play out in the first hour after seeing the rand, and figuring out how to navigate that. we did get a lot of help from town turning on each other but im generally happy with how we positioned in order to both dodge and influence that

also proud of surviving the ydra reaction test at the end, i was legimately shaking for several minutes. especially bc i claimed two wild things off the top of my head with little to no planning and had zero confidence that i hadn't actually made a mistake, just trusting my vibe read that it was a test

i think there's a lot of mechanical lessons to be learnt from this game, we made some big mistakes. im never blitzing again that felt awful

[Sunflower]

credit also to jupiter for being a lot of why we got townread early which gave us room to work with, and also especially for the silver ravens push which ended up being a key deciding factor in the end

i've never played as a hydra before and i do tend to philosophically think that games can feel a little cleaner without them (although to be fair i feel the same way about roles so i might be too much of a purist), but i had a lot of fun

[Sunflower]

btw whats a bllitz?

[Sunflower]

im gonna be so real i read prism's #379 in the dead pt and I saw "i think she resists strong binary classifications" and for a few moments there I couldn't read the post all i saw was the word gender across my vision and i got really confused because there was no way prism was talking about gender identity in response to a genuine inquiry about the game. i had to reread it a few times because my brain just kept filling in the gaps. its so over

[Sunflower]

holy moly i still cant believe we won

[Sunflower]

credit also to jupiter for being a lot of why we got townread early which gave us room to work with, and also especially for the silver ravens push which ended up being a key deciding factor in the end

i've never played as a hydra before and i do tend to philosophically think that games can feel a little cleaner without them (although to be fair i feel the same way about roles so i might be too much of a purist), but i had a lot of fun

credit to you for saving my life and keeping me sane!!!!!

[Sunflower]

pagetop

It's postgame, mod tyranny says fuck your pagetop.

NOOOOOOO

[Sunflower]

PITCHFORK DREAM PITCHFORK DREAM

[Sunflower]

Still sad about beign wrong about the waterfall dream

[Sunflower]

Silver Ravens uses "I'm Superman" reporter ability to have the mods post the following in the game thread: "Who the hell is not voting for fast night? Your blatant ignorance of the current game state is causing the game to slowly devolve into some low quality pokemon tier list discussion (Bulbasaur is not even Tier A SMH)"

THIS WAS SILVER RAVENS LOLLLL I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MODS

[Sunflower]

thanks for mdoding btw!!!
just wanted to say that pokemon is not luck, that battle I had with fire was pure skill I beat him because I was just good like that

[Sunflower]

but otherwise yeah no i respect that decision
I did beat fire fair and square tho