Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[Sunflower]

what was the lie

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Oh also the route of Silver town with the double hijack from a mech standpoint is an outliner to how this entire game has gone mech wise so uh, that too?

I get you're not the one in the cc but I'm struggling trying to understand why it's so hard so tell us how we can make it easier.

[Catgirl Chipotle]

I'm trying to remove myself from the cc and see it from a mostly unbiased viewpoint and I guess the part that's making me confused on why this is such a hard choice for you guys is we've openly proven we're the dreamer with a soft that I told Dan about.

We passed a reaction test we couldn't have known unless we were the dreamer and then Silver outright failed it as stated before.

And if Alisae is a wolf they had to fake. . .that vs Silver who is trying to claim "oh we were hijacked"

So, let us ignore everything for the time being and focus on the hijack part.

They already said they were hijacked once, now they're claiming they were hijacked again.

Look at every role. Every one we've done so far what do they have in common: They were 1-shot.

Even the flipped wolf role was 1 shot minus the mech part where you can hunt the dreamer.

So do you randomly think, this one part of the story were 2 of the same type of role exist are on a wolf and that makes Silver's story true and it's a random 2-shot type role and the mod did it for giggles.

Or:

They're just lying again.

^

There answer was Enchant claimed publically and while yes, that still doesn't go over the fact if we were a wolf we would've had to blatantly guess and Silver was just like "oh we knew we just didn't say anything lol"

huh???

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Also, I think one of the biggest flaws in Silver's argument is.

They say their choice got hijacked from scum, right?

So, let's assume they're town in this case. Scum know the hijack on Silver worked. There was then a nightphase. So everyone.

W H Y I S S I L V E R A L I V E

[Catgirl Chipotle]

In the world Silver is trying to build scum had to have known they were the dreamer and kept them alive for. . .fun?

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Alright, mass claim time since we are in limlo now. We're the dreamer, which makes us town (setup specific rule #1 says the starting dreamer is town). We do reveal a dream once moonrise phase ends, but not before then;

we are working under the assumption that Ydrasse is the other person revealing dreams. This doesn't automatically make them town, but we noted that they learned from their usage during moonrise 1, and during moonrise 2 they revealed roles in a way where we'd be able to see both of the dreams before picking after discard, which seemed town motivated to us. We didn't want to draw too much attention to that, though,

and I've been skeptical of their thread presence a bit.

During moonrise 1 our preferred dream was discarded, and then our revealed dream was a negative which allowed the mafia to steal the dream choice. During moonrise 2, we did choose to discard the dnd dream as Gif and I felt that the interaction between the dead hider and Aureal was unlikely to have been mistaken, and we got greedy for more. We talk about this a bit in 1392 but are trying to not make it too obvious that we are the dreamer with our wording, while keeping our vote on Aureal the whole time. The Superman dream sounded promising so we picked that. We ended up giving the reporter from that dream to Catgirl Chipotle. In hindsight we should have picked elsewhere as we don't trust Catgirl Chipotle right now, but they had rather different opinions from what we have seen from them recently.

Moonrise 3 was really interesting.

Ydrasse revealed the tower after the mafia discarded something else, which was rather towny (without taking into account that the tower was a watcher, which she wouldn't have known)

, but then when the time came for us to make selections, we were told that our choices were hijacked for the phase. So the tower being revealed

again

was not our choice, and the watcher one shot did not go to a target of our choice either - we don't know where it went. We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

Like, read this. There was a night phase after this where Dan died.

Are we trying to assume scum made a random guess and didn't know it worked on Silver?

Or

That scum just had the ability to randomly hijack the dream without knowing the dreamer? If so, why did that happen again today, don't tell me something busted like that can happen twice.

[Sunflower]

both of you initially said that you didn't control where enchant's reporter went?

i don't get how that's a lie

[Catgirl Chipotle]

The two people mainly pushing us are the person who made up a jailkeeper claim for fun (lol)
and
A person who claimed dreamer but shouldn't be alive.

Huh odd, two things that shouldn't exist in the game are alive and pushing us.

[Sunflower]

if you had to guess then so did they. you said the same thing

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

[Catgirl Chipotle]

(Also the soft being too good a soft that only Dan got it is kind of funny in hindsight but then again I wasn't expecting to ever be cc'd so that's MB lol)

[Sunflower]

We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

oh that
i msg'd ffery about that as soon as I found out and it turns out I had nothing to do with it

I thought I could hand out a thingy but I couldn't

these are the same thing and ravens said it first

what are you saying that you had to "blatantly guess"?

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

[Sunflower]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

i think it's hard to know why the dreamer would be kept alive without knowing the specifics of how the scum power works. but either way the dreamer is alive, so i don't really get why it's relevant

i think that exaggerating something into calling it a lie and clearing for you when it seems to be neither of those things is not something that you would feel the need to do here as town so i am more interested in that

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

i think it's hard to know why the dreamer would be kept alive without knowing the specifics of how the scum power works. but either way the dreamer is alive, so i don't really get why it's relevant

i think that exaggerating something into calling it a lie and clearing for you when it seems to be neither of those things is not something that you would feel the need to do here as town so i am more interested in that

We know that scum is hunting the dreamer and that they probably want the dreamer dead (see rule 14 in the set) I don't see why scum would just keep the known dreamer alive in the world Silver is building and the answer is that world doesn't exist. How is this not seen as relevant to you?

[Sunflower]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

enchant confirmed that it went to ravens so ravens would know where it went regardless of their alignment

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Side note that is also not something I would do as scum to begin with but you don't know my scum game so I'll let it pass.

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

enchant confirmed that it went to ravens so ravens would know where it went regardless of their alignment

When was this?

[Sunflower]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

i think it's hard to know why the dreamer would be kept alive without knowing the specifics of how the scum power works. but either way the dreamer is alive, so i don't really get why it's relevant

i think that exaggerating something into calling it a lie and clearing for you when it seems to be neither of those things is not something that you would feel the need to do here as town so i am more interested in that

We know that scum is hunting the dreamer and that they probably want the dreamer dead (see rule 14 in the set) I don't see why scum would just keep the known dreamer alive in the world Silver is building and the answer is that world doesn't exist. How is this not seen as relevant to you?

if they have a dream hijacking power that seems like the reason they would want the dreamer alive, and would explain rule 14?

[Sunflower]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

enchant confirmed that it went to ravens so ravens would know where it went regardless of their alignment

When was this?

????

isn't this what you said they were lying about?

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Are you skipping over the why is Silver alive part on purpose or?

i think it's hard to know why the dreamer would be kept alive without knowing the specifics of how the scum power works. but either way the dreamer is alive, so i don't really get why it's relevant

i think that exaggerating something into calling it a lie and clearing for you when it seems to be neither of those things is not something that you would feel the need to do here as town so i am more interested in that

We know that scum is hunting the dreamer and that they probably want the dreamer dead (see rule 14 in the set) I don't see why scum would just keep the known dreamer alive in the world Silver is building and the answer is that world doesn't exist. How is this not seen as relevant to you?

if they have a dream hijacking power that seems like the reason they would want the dreamer alive, and would explain rule 14?

So, you believe that a world where scum are well aware that they correctly hijacked Silver, went into the night, decided to. . .not kill them? Even if the idea is they want to cc the next day you just kill the dreamer and then someone says "Hey I became the dreamer" and then you have a cc with a full blank slate. There's no need for the extra steps.

[Sunflower]

we don't know how the hijacking power works

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Even if you're unaware how it works I don't think it takes 2+2 to see that killing the known dreamer is net positive for the scum team vs taking a random guess at action dan.

And if you want to assume that's the correct world scum us doesn't kill the person who was hard townreadig our slot.

[Catgirl Chipotle]

There are like 40 hoops that need to be jumped through vs the basic answer being the two slots who made up a role and reality that is unlikely to exist are just scum pushing us.

[Sunflower]

Okay so.

Mod said i should give this thing out as i used camera.
I gived it to Ravens (don't ask why i did).

Nah we got it Enchant. We were waiting to see if you would claim that or not, and if Von Payne's claim would contradict our results when it came to their turn to claim. We thought we were confirmed town at start of the day, and then Catgirl Chipotle cc'd and we wanted to see what they had to say about the reporter and if they would get caught in a lie.

Reread what we wrote, we didn't say we didn't get it, we said we didn't choose who it went to. We did use our ability on Von Payne and saw that they went nowhere.

i don't understand what you've been saying this whole time that ravens lied about if you're now saying you didn't see this

explain pls