Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[Luka]

kjq v

[Luka]

i forgot how to vote on ms but submit a vote on umlaut

[Luka]

VOTE: Umlaut
Ty!
Entrance was awkward

[Luka]

FancyPants / Luka
KayJayQueue
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CeeJayvinoya

[Luka]

VOTE: Umlaut
Ty!
Entrance was awkward

Why? Seems like a joke post like mostly everyone's

It was an akaward joke, nothing more
the reason why theyre not on my reads list @JacksonVirgo is cause I dont really believe in the vote / the slot being wolfy, it was just an early vote to generate discussion and their entrance is the one I liked the least

[Luka]

VOTE: Umlaut
Ty!
Entrance was awkward

Why? Seems like a joke post like mostly everyone's

Are you the same Hu Tao that I know for the record or no?

[Luka]

Unless you mean the Hu Tao here or the Hu Tao from Genshin Impact then no . I'm not Hu Tao on any other site

Unfortunate >:C

[Luka]

Anyway, I'll out some reads that you shouldn't take too seriously because it's been, like, 5 minutes:

I very mildly townread kay. I also very mildly townread Jackson for the effort he has put in so far.

... what effort lol?
agree with kay

[Luka]

I like overcat so far. Even though they suspiciously chose a dog for an avatar as a cat

their reads reek of TMI but they're new so w/e

[Luka]

@Overcat
Elaborate on what "Effort" Jackson has put in please.

[Luka]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs

[Luka]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs

eh?

I must be wolfy too because I like Overcat's 36.

Mind explaining this further?

its just shading a read on a town fmpov and their post before that reeked

[Luka]

I like overcat so far. Even though they suspiciously chose a dog for an avatar as a cat

their reads reek of TMI but they're new so w/e

I can't tell if this is a joke or you can't tell that my post was a joke

So the tl on the slot was a joke? I'm aware that the latter sentence was a joke, but the former is as well?

[Luka]

I don't have a read on Luka but I don't like any of the pushes launched at her so far. My gut did scream scum are in the grouping.

ok

[Luka]

Luka can you explain the read more clearly, so I know if you're just misunderstanding or you're trying to force a bad read. Do you think I'm scum because I said I liked Overcats vibe and made a joke about cats and dogs?

Why are you trying to rope the latter thing in here at all? I think you're scum soley for the former thing, you didn't actually read the slot and you just launched a pockety TR on it

[Luka]

Okay, so, in terms of this question:
@Overcat
Elaborate on what "Effort" Jackson has put in please.

I'll say that questions normally have a question mark on the end, and don't include quotation marks alongside any of the words to indicate deep skepticism. I will answer your question, but you have to remove the quotation marks if you want that.

The next point I'll make is that one of the scumreads I learnt from my experience on mafia websites is that town tend to ask questions and try to ascertain people's reasons for things quite strongly, and scum tend to ask questions but be disinterested in the answers, and are generally asking them in a way that's for social posturing. Luka has indicated they are mafia quite strongly to me in this instance (not definitely, but I'm like 70% sure), as their question wasn't actually a question, and the quotation marks indicated a lack of interest in my answer.

The second point I'll make as a more minor fos is that scum tend to be more interested in the way things 'look' and town tend to be more interested in more definite things. Luka stating that "Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs", is a social putdown along the lines of 'oh, so you associate with him?' sometimes that valid reasoning, in this case it's not. I don't want to make my post too long, and take up too much of the conversation space, though if anyone's curious I have one more read or two I can out.

Anyway, I normally don't vote and make decisions so early on, but I think this is mafia

VOTE: Luka

This was a lot of words but I dont know what any of it means aside from an OMGUS on me

[Luka]

I like overcat so far. Even though they suspiciously chose a dog for an avatar as a cat

their reads reek of TMI but they're new so w/e

What part of what they're saying reeks of TMI?

towning you for effort despite 0 effort being put in from your end

[Luka]

Also Luka another question when you get back, if you thought Overcat was TMI, why would you vote me? Wouldn't you vote them even if you didn't get the context of my cat and dog joke?

you towning them is wolfier than the slot itself funnily enough

[Luka]

Luka is being quite antagonistic which inherently makes me want to vote them, I don't think they're actually scummy though. This could be overcorrection but I don't think scum!luka would be this aggressive this early. Especially when immediately discounting your words like he had. It's not nice, but I don't think it's scummy

(I don't actually think that I'm being mean here, I think that the towning from Hu Tao onto the doggy was wolfy since the Dogs read on you was just horrible and i think you should be able to see that too? Sorry if I'm being rude. I am being agressive tho!)

[Luka]

I'll wait for Luka to comment on my questions, but for right now I'm liking Cat and I'm liking Eira (based on that last post). I think FancyPants is a wolf

Why do you think FancyPants is a wolf but you're not voting their, and instead voting me whomst you in your post don't dictate a wolf on? Infact, in one of your earlier posts voting me you never called me wolf either, and you provided reasons to town me in the post before that. What's your gameplan here exactly?

[Luka]

Back to this, why is ceejay so low?

Not really so low, I just have a gut read on the entrance that felt wolfy.

[Luka]

????????????

So, it's shading a read on me, a town. It's towning somebody for "effort" despite both posts from said user being completely devoid of effort at the time, and the post after the fact it stated that you can't use effort as an indicator to clear me.

[Luka]

Smh

Spoiler: My extremely townie introduction

Guys, this "Not Voting" fella has like NO resistance! What are we even doing?!

Can you elaborate on this?

Is this your read list? If so, why omit Umlaut?

You asked 2 questions and had 3 other unrelated things, I would hardly classify this as effort. Especially when you contrast it with this post:

Avatar gotten. As for Luka's effort, what they're basically doing is interacting in order to create more information and reads, which I appreciate because it makes my job easier. However, I've seen enough of both town and mafia do that to know it's not particularly towny at this point. You should reserve judgement on Luka for now.

When, to my knowledge; you were doing the exact same thing. It creates a incongruity between the two and inconsistency. Nobody pointing this out and people towning you for reasons beyond me is what I don't like, and Hu Tao's reaction to my FoS wasn't very good either. They jump on the bandwagon to say they don't like my slot, but once again they never directly state a read on it and they aren't even voting their.

[Luka]

I have a red-check on FancyPants, he is incredibly suspicious but even a red-check isn't strong enough reasoning to vote the INNOCENT CHILD. Silly

Fun fact, I am stupid.

[Luka]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Its a random RVS vote that I disagree w/ based on content so far, I don't know what it achieves on a strong player like you and cjv isn't a cute name.
Once again though, it's mostly gut; it's a low confidence read.

[Luka]

Gameplan is to pressure and find scum. I think your aggression doesn't likely come from scum but that doesn't mean I don't think other things you're doing isn't scummy.

And what do you think I'm doing that's exactly scummy? "your aggression doesn't likely come from scum" should theoretically outweigh or mitigate other reads to some extent, in addition to that, I notice this still isn't directly stating a read on me.

[Luka]

At the time of the post I was just saying I like them as in terms of their vibe. But now I do actually tr them

Why?

[Luka]

Okay so you were confused on what I meant. If I say I like someone just means their vibe, not that I have a strong tr on them or whatever. But now after their most recent posts, I do have a town read on cat

I'm assuming you don't have a strong TR on them, I'm translating it to a TL on them.

[Luka]

(I don't know if ceejay knows my range, shhh I want an easier game)

^ This person has a very large scum range! >:3

[Luka]

Not sure if you noticed by fancy pants name is green......

I did, I just forget since I'm uhm. Chronically not very smart!

[Luka]

Me when I forget a mafia game is ongoing then remember its MS so need no fear!
I love this sites cycles istg..

[Luka]

Me when I forget a mafia game is ongoing then remember its MS so need no fear!
I love this sites cycles istg..

What does this mean? lol

MS cycle lenght is lovely

[Luka]

unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit

[Luka]

You're going to declare someone the top suspect based on their tattoos and motor tics? Yikes.

Also that analogy has no persuasive force. You have to actually say why Luka is more suspect and Ceejay less so, you can't just say what they're "like."

lul

[Luka]

Smh

Spoiler: My extremely townie introduction

Guys, this "Not Voting" fella has like NO resistance! What are we even doing?!

Can you elaborate on this?

Is this your read list? If so, why omit Umlaut?

You asked 2 questions and had 3 other unrelated things, I would hardly classify this as effort. Especially when you contrast it with this post:

Avatar gotten. As for Luka's effort, what they're basically doing is interacting in order to create more information and reads, which I appreciate because it makes my job easier. However, I've seen enough of both town and mafia do that to know it's not particularly towny at this point. You should reserve judgement on Luka for now.

When, to my knowledge; you were doing the exact same thing. It creates a incongruity between the two and inconsistency. Nobody pointing this out and people towning you for reasons beyond me is what I don't like, and Hu Tao's reaction to my FoS wasn't very good either. They jump on the bandwagon to say they don't like my slot, but once again they never directly state a read on it and they aren't even voting their.

@Luka from what I've seen so far Overcat seems to value engagement through the use of good questions and would look at those sort of posts with a positive light, kind of like what he said here.

Ceejay- Am curious on the few extra reads you've got

Well, I think one of my reads was on you. I like that you've been asking some good questions, but more importantly that you've been willing to put yourself in the firing line on your opinions:

VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs

eh?

I must be wolfy too because I like Overcat's 36.

Mind explaining this further?

Thoughts on this?

This about hits the nail on the head btw. A strong difference between Luka and Jackson, is Jackson asked some good questions, whereas Luka voted in order to create reads, and then defended themselves from attack. My philosophy is that people who ask questions and behave like detectives are good, and people who speak like politicians are bad.

[Luka]

How can I explain things in a way that makes sense?

It feels like people on mafiascum look for logical inconsistencies, those are valuable but not the most important thing. You actually need to have principles that you scumhunt on, and rather than relying on gut, see if you can logically explain your gutread. There are multiple principles that I'm worried that people don't seem worried about.

One is the spirit of inquisitiveness. Town members tend to ask questions in order to find out information, and mafia tend to ask questions in order to enforce some point of view. If I was a mafia member, I would want to ask questions to:

1.Make sure that I seem towny and I seem like I am contributing.

2. In order to make people look bad

and if I was town I would want to ask questions to:

1. Find out information, and see if the other person's logic makes sense

2. In order to generate conversation

It is intuitively obvious that a mafia member would tend to ask questions in one way and a town member in another. And that is my main reason why I believe Luka is mafia.

Case on Mel: Town for asking questions. Case on Me: Wolf for voting and defending yourself unless I decide it's more convinent for it to be something else.

[Luka]

Twtbaw read on Eiralox lets game!

[Luka]

Luka / FancyPants
Witalox / KayJayQueue
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GuyInFreezer / HuTao

[Luka]

unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit

I don't know what quici means.

Quick

[Luka]

Although I'm serious about my Luka read and I will monitor that slot carefully throughout the game.

:3

[Luka]

give me a fancy word

Nyaa

Only actual read I have is cat town here

DId you not read the doge town?

[Luka]

I feel good about you and Hu Tao so far, as inferred by a prior post. Beyond that Jackson is probably towniest just for effort and the best opening post.

Mel still isn't putting effort in idgi why are people towning them based off of this

[Luka]

Mel?

Jackson
Sorry

[Luka]

The cat IS the dog

Omg...

[Luka]

Eira is posting actually abysmally and that probably makes them town
TTYL

[Luka]

To Luka or anyone else who might use this argument: I am less convinced about "too wolfy to be wolf" arguments because sometimes wolves can just be wolves and sometimes the instinct to call them wolfy is right. I feel like I need to be able to weigh it against all other instances where I can label their behavior as town if I want to really cross them out of my pool. Would you disagree?

No since youre correct TWTBAW is a horrible read I just run with it :3

[Luka]

I believe you're voting Hu Tao right now, but maybe you can join me because I think we're seeing the same thing about Luka albeit having a different conclusion. If we can pressure his slot, maybe we can have a better read and maybe you can prove that you're right about him being town after all.

Meh Hu Tao is wolfier sorry! ^^

[Luka]

Do you imagine anyone else joining you in Hu Tao's wagon in the meantime? And you have described Eiralox as "too wolfy"... but Hu Tao seems wolfier for you?

yup!
dont imagine anybody joining me, dont rly care either!

[Luka]

If KJQ is wolf I cry
will this finally be the day we see Luka cry?

[Luka]

On a side note, Eiralox is so transparently wolfy its killing me so they're like, >rand town

[Luka]

GuyInFreezer same as Umalot

[Luka]

Luka / FancyPants
KayJayQueue / Umalot
Eiralox
GuyInFreezer / JacksonVirgo
HuTao

[Luka]

P mid list if you ask me

p mid avatar if u ask me
(jk i love ur ava)

[Luka]

This is my scum partner. Hard pocketed, will defend forever

oh hai firebringer :3

[Luka]

This is my scum partner. Hard pocketed, will defend forever

:3

[Luka]

skimmed like an extra 5-6 pages and don't like ur posts. U feel very blendy vs sorty

omg we have the same reads
(this post pairs me with you btw)

[Luka]

Do you still scumread me for that thing in the beginning or is it something else

dunno what youve done yet so idk i guess its changed?

[Luka]

But overcat was pretty lock town imo

Hu Tao's catchup consisted of calling Overcat lock town (whomst they previously only had as a town read), the reason that they're lock town they haven't stated in their ISO other than good vibes, and they had a pretty horrible OMGUS on me before backing off of it once called out on it!

[Luka]

Did you get much from this? If anything, can I ask what?

Town reads!

You made the same assessment about twtbw Eira in 236 as you did in 211. Did you come to this conclusion twice individually, or awkwardly rehashing the same read to make a point?

The latter ^w^

[Luka]

Luka grilled you iirc about not voting FancyPants even though you think they're scum. I think it leans scum that they haven't internalized that FancyPants/Firebringer is town in their narrative BECAUSE they're pretending that they don't know everyone else who is town. I distinctly remember them putting FancyPants as strong town in a readslist so they must have already been informed.

I'm not incompetent, while making read lists I think of a slot, ISO them and go "oh this is the lock town slot". However, I can in a moment of curiosuty forget a slot is town. This is a weak read at best and I don't know if it's a real one!

[Luka]

I was gonna comment further but I'm going to wait for Luka to respond personally before adding more

Nothing to respond to, it's either a town who's new to actually solving and reads into something completely NAI or a wolf who just woke up with bad hair

[Luka]

Eiralox's posts aren't good, to iron things out. However, if they're wolf they're playing the game in such a weird way that like, idgi?
Same with Umlaut / Icecube btw, they have so many towns to the point where it just reaches "Hey, you have to continue to progress. That much towns early game and no progression will be rooted out instantly!"
We don't need to come up with a full guns blazing solve D1, which is why I'm letting these players with so many towns simmer before actually pushing them!

[Luka]

Hu Tao's posts are still pretty stinky, they aren't attempting to solve the game and they're just asking questions / basically being filler. I don't remember a single significant read since like, P1 and the lsot they were reading had a grand total of 2 posts that feels like TRing a partner or blatent TMI.

[Luka]

Okay I have Fire, GIF and Kay all town. Better reads than I thought I'd get today

This is 2 reads from 20 pages of content, given one of which is the IC. The other one is a consensus town and you aren't explaining the reads you're given, and you're acting entitled with a "yeah I'm town and you don't have a case against me!" esque response. I don't expect a full solve but what are you doing if you're town? You're not even linking rreplying to posts that give you town pings, you're just going "well this slot is town!" to the point of calling somebody obvious town.

[Luka]

Going to ignore Jackson RN for effort, if they don't have any scum chopped by LYLO / LYLO-1 just look into it.

[Luka]

I don't know what exactly you expect me to town from your ISO Hu Tao. You have 2 reads, one of which is explained in any depth and that boils down to "x post looks good", you're chalking up a push on you to a "tunnel" without actually probing me for reason as to why I'm "tunneling" you, you're playing this game immensly safe which even people who have you town are admitting, and your ISO is not good.

[Luka]

Luka / Arcanine Cutie
KayJayQueue / Umalot
Eiralox / HumanEatingMonkey
GuyInFreezer / JacksonVirgo
HuTao

[Luka]

Luka / Arcanine Cutie
KayJayQueue / Umalot
Eiralox / HumanEatingMonkey
GuyInFreezer / JacksonVirgo
HuTao

For the record, I'm really only confident in Myself + Arcanine + KJQ V. The rest of them kind of just exist.
Umalot / GuyInFreezer / JacksonVirgo are borderline self resolving with the way they're slinging around TRs, eventually if they're wolf they'll get trapped. Eiralox is posting abysmally in a way that I don't kno if it comes from a wolf, HEM is kind of null for me but their read on me is bad both in the alignment sense and in the thought process sense. GIF subed into a wolfy slot, No clue what HuTao is doing this game.

[Luka]

Wait I’m trying to understanding the progression, I reread the interaction but I need you to explain it. What was the slip?

They're new to mafia / playing the game dw!

[Luka]

Can somebody tell me if HEM has a history of doing bad pushes as villa? Ty!

[Luka]

Luka appraises my scum read of him as a "weak read at best". Not that it's wrong.

The methodology of how you come up with the read is a weak read at best, quite literally =rand accuracy. The results of course are shitty.

[Luka]

How come you aren't bothered by the others who don't have reads too? Quite a few haven't really outed any reads

1. Name who
2. They're not making a concious effort to not play the game, fmpov you are + you have no redeeming qualities

[Luka]

You should really read my other games then. This is just how I am, if you don't like it then too bad. The people that are familiar with me would say something if this was out of the normal

I think said people should correct me then if my accusation is false, I don't know why you expect somebody to white knight you here in any way :3

[Luka]

Catchup?

You. Reading posts to get to where the current thread is.

And you mean when everyone else was also suspect of you and I was the one saying that we should wait for you to respond?

Only one person had a vote on me, nearly nobody was "suspect" of me :3

[Luka]

These were all sus posts on you

Overcats is just OMGUS, and I can't see how the first one is? Mel's sure but they later rescinded.
I also don't get why exactly you waiting for me to explain is towny.

[Luka]

I never said I was expecting someone to do so, I'm just saying if you're the only one thinking this maybe you're the issue here

Okay, sure. Can you elaborate on your reads since I asked, instead of just roughly complaining about being scum read?

[Luka]

I didn't even read that post ngl

[Luka]

I can't reliably townread anyone and the slot that I wanted to pressure is intentionally stonewalling me. I also don't think I'll get a lot from Luka because the interaction will just tilt me and make me tunnel if they're town. Umlaut's vote confuses me because at one point he tells me I'm playing badly, and now he just thinks I'm scum? This game isn't gelling well for me so I'll just wait for Eiralox's "own time" and follow anything Firebringer wants to do.

Genuine question, what do you expect to gain from said pressure? I'm not a noob enough scum that I'll crumble with a single vote on me, so what will this "pressure" amount towards if you're town? And, why am I intentionally stone walling you? Your read is bad, that's that- nothing to really interact with, no?

[Luka]

==Eats Mafia for breakfast, maybe==
humaneatingmonkey

==Mid but Town==
Luka

HEM's only read amounts towards me being a wolf here, so why do you have me mid but town and them higher, presuming the mid is refering to reads?
(Also, presuming the scum team is Mel / Eir I don't think that I've played that poorly joycat)

[Luka]

humaneatingmonkey (E-2): Eiralox, Umlaut, Firebringer

Feels icky to be honest but I'll ignore it for post game credit ^w^

[Luka]

Gonna quick hammer anyone who gets to E-1 cause I'm NotMafia

Unironicaly villagery but probably fakable from a good scum.

[Luka]

Not a huge fan of people making a stance on me while willingly ignoring what I've written

I'll read it later

[Luka]

Yeah for mafia

For everybody. Nobody gives a shit if you go 2/2 if you aren't able to convince people to follow you!

[Luka]

Results oriented thinking is bad in that sense. You can have all of the correct reads in the world but with no thread pull, no leverage; no convincing done it amounts to nothing. Good town players can quite literally fake cases on other players in order to get people to follow them, specifically thinking of Achromatic here. Which is why going "this is a gut read!" and expecting people to follow genuinly isn't a good premise. Even if you are corect, you can't go "I played so good!"

Reads are important, don't get me wrong. If you consistently are correct every game than chances are people will start to notice that more and more, and pay attention to you more and more. But if you aren't consistently correct, then this is a team game; your main goals should be town telling, generating content, or creating a healthy gamestate, ect. Mafia is only a solo game for the players who can make it a solo game, which; judging from what I've seen, is nobody here.

[Luka]

No you won't

Yes I will ^W^

[Luka]

The main problem I'm having with your pushes is that I think there's a very stark difference between how you think you're behaving and how you're being perceived. The fact you're not elaborating much (if at all) on a push throws the weight of your words and actions into the dirt and from how you're behaving I'm gathering you think it's doing the exact opposite. I glossed over literally everything you've said this game, and only on a second round through when I explicitly wanted to comment on any rogue thought I had on what you've done is when I had proper thoughts about you beyond a few rogue statements you've made that hadn't had anything to do with any of your reads.

The problem with Eiralox is that they seem to have no actual thought process behind their reads, their just going with the seemingly "easiest to push" in thread, or at least the most subpar in thread from what I've seen. I also can't see a scum agenda for doing this; unless they're known for being a really bad wolf player this rings more as a "wolfy town" just off of that basis.

[Luka]

humaneatingmonkey (E-2): Eiralox, Umlaut, Firebringer

@Eiralox @Umlaut @Firebringer
Aside from their push on me, can you elaborate on the vote?
Also, anybody w/ meta able to tell me if they're a good town or not? Or, at least their general thought process as town.

[Luka]

Hu Tao

I read your case here, it mostly comes down to mindmelds which I don't think are very towny in it's own right without meta. My case on the slot is that they seem self entitled in a way that no matter the alignment produces an unproductive gamestate, and when questioned on their reads, reads which they say come down to a slot being "lock town" they overlay it with the premise if a gut read. I also think that they should be pushed out of their comfort zone if their town and forced to actually do things; they're playing safe to the point where it seems icky (as mentioned in your post).

[Luka]

Spoiler: Possible Pocket Attempts (5)

This is unironically both funny and villagery.

[Luka]

Umlaut is relatively fine looking over their ISO again, but could just be a solid wolf. A few posts stand out as a bit pockety / icky, IE:

I actually kind of like Luka saying my entry was awkward because it was, a bit. (I was really just ego posting and forced a joke in there to make it a "real" RVS post.) Doesn't make them town but I'm giving them a point for noticing.

Oh, I forgot to say I liked 346 a lot and it put Jackson at the top of my town list.

This pushback on a townread is +town, a little

Them liking Jacksons post is reasonable, but not going over what exactly they liked feels like the potential for it just being a good wolf.

I'm town.
FancyPants is town.
Overcat, JV, Hu Tao get provisional town leans.
This leaves {KayJayQueue, Luka, ceejayvinoya, Eiralox}.

I do like them establishing a town core fairly early on, but a few of those (IE: Hu Tao, I'm in DEEP on my tunnel!) just make no sense FMPOV. I also don't think they've really raised that town core, instead just re-enforcing prior reads instead of branching out into new ones. If this is town I want an updated reads list on what you've seen so far. The reason why I put you town in the first place is that you narrowed down POE so quickly.

[Luka]

Firebringer / Luka / KayJayQueue
JacksonVirgo / HumanEatingMonkey
Eiralox / Umlaut / GuyInFreezer / Hu Tao

HEM is up here cause I liked CJVs posts, the only thing I don't like is the WOAT push on my slot but I want to know some meta knowledge before changed. I think the top 3 are relatively spewed town at this point, Umlaut I want more from before solidiying. Don't take this as a legacy or anything, just a few thoughts to get ideas from the thread.

[Luka]

I don't think it's as black and white in order to slap the TWTBW label on them and go about our day. I think it's a >rand chance of having scum motivation behind their actions, especially if the remaining wolf (assuming 2 here) is better positioned in the Town but I will humour your thoughts on it more I definitely see what they're doing as strange whether it's coming from a wolf or a town so occam's razor would dictate that it's town. I did have this thought a few times but each time I'm not as convinced by it as much as I wanted to be. I want them to post genuine thoughts and analysis before I see myself ever removing my vote from them (except for consolidation wagons near day end ofc)

This is reasonable, TWTBAW reads normally come dow nto personal preference if they want to follow it. I see it being a -ev town at worst so I don't mind the chop, -ev in that they're going to get MLd if they're town before we read endgame I think. Honestly might be worth it to just claim if they're village to resolve.

[Luka]

I didn't mean to have that in the final version, I was keeping track of the posts to later comment on if I felt it was worth it lmao. It is good to have though!

Fair!

[Luka]

You saying the top three is spewed town is a little awkward when you're only referring to a single person (Kay). You can't reasonably say this about yourself, and the last is a mech IC.

I can say it refering to myself though, the push on me P2 regarding the Doge slot made me incredibly blatent town if any of them are wolf, and given it was 4 players ocrams razor dictates that they are wolf. I also think that I never ever take the stance I've taken on Eiralox if I'm a wolf, unless we're exactly w/w, in which case I probably push it more.

[Luka]

The bar for clearing someone you'd know is town (yourself) is low. I also don't even know what you're referring to regarding P2. Why would you not take the stance you'd made on Eiralox (who I am scum-reading, mind you )

If we were TvS and I was the scum I would just bury them, their posts are bad to the point where I think Howism could case them.
I know the bar for clearing myself is slow, I'm talking about when I said the Doge wasn't towny and 4 people jumped on me. That's never a SvS interaction in the slightest heir, and I think that chances are a scum is among the people who interacted with it in the slightest.

[Luka]

Being town != Being right

I know, my point being is that you have me as "mid but town" and him as "Eats mafia for breakfast, maybe" when my reads are 10x better than his if your solve is to be believed. I assume it might just be structed into tiers, I'm just annoyed at it tbh..

[Luka]

I don't know and cannot know the direction wolf!you would take. It could take many forms, depending on so many things. These arguments are incredibly flimsy, you should realistically know that. Even if that's never an SvS interaction (I don't care about these types of things until flips actually happen), that doesn't clear you.

It coming from myself is flimsly, even if I believe it's fully true since you can take the direction of you're not doing this for WIFOM. Mostly discussing to discuss, for thread state best to drop it so we don't end up hyper posting, making it so people are less inclined to read the game.

[Luka]

I’m not voting any of these today: Firebringer (obviously),

Luka, HEM

. Or myself.

Elaborate?

[Luka]

I'm not voting any of these today: Alianna, Doctor Drew, Gypyx, Noah Sebastian from the best band in the world Bad Omens, and finally...

Umlaut

Luka!

[Luka]

I elaborated on HEM a few posts ago. For you, I feel pretty confident in townreading you currently.

I mostly was asking for elaboration on myself, why do you feel confident TRing me?

One more to add to the pocket bin

[Luka]

btw why's Umlaut scummy? because tbh this is the towniest I've found him in a game thus far. And iirc both games I've played with him he was scum >.>

I never said he was, I have him >rand town. I'm saying I want more elaboraton on his reads and how they've changed.

[Luka]

see, this is how i feel like you're TMI'd as fuck and you keep slipping. because you say things like this like your reads are 10x better and how the fuck would you know if your reads are better if we're in day 1 with so little information on the board

I was working under the assumption that their read list was correct. I was saying that my reads generally align more with their world view.

[Luka]

are you really arguing that you are spewed town?

Yup!
It's mostly just Kay though ^w^

[Luka]

Hmm ok. It's just that Umlaut is beneath monkey in your list. So far I think Umlaut is playing the game just fine but yeah. Mostly he's got the vibe I'm looking for in town, the only Umlaut post that really pinged me was in fact his opening one -.-

For now, they might move up once I see their most recent posts.

[Luka]

Okay, yeah, Luka I recognize you are being townread by many and maybe I'm wrong about you, so would you tell me what I should be townreading about you?

I keep spotting perspective slips from you that I feel so strongly about

. And that everybody seems to be downplaying because you've been making a lot of effort to share your reads, which people townread (I don't townread effort, and maybe this is the issue). Have you done anything that you or anyone with the skill level that you're projecting to have wouldn't be doing? I see you mentioned that you having a TWTBAW stance on Eiralox is something you wouldn't take, but I don't understand it. And you're open to eliminating them anyway, which makes the read meaningless - not that I'm against you eliminating them.

For the bolded, I would like to point out that everything youre accusing of being a perspective slip is mostly lacking context to the point where I'm confused how you come to that conclusion? In addition to that, I would like to point out that the reads you're accusing people of downplaying are normally weak, the supposed "blatant perspective slips" is me saying that your read is weak at best, IE: The rationale to come for it is weak, not the conclusion which is just outright incorrect. I disagree that people are downplaying said moments. That aside, perspective slips aren't a very good reason to really scum read somebody IMHO.

If you want something to town read from me, the answer is undoubtably the fact that I'm not burying Eiralox? This is a team game as mafia, and I would have teamates. If I bury this one little goober than my teamate is basically safe for the day and I lose nearly no credit; that's the one thing I would truly town read from myself. Other than that, good question. I don't know what I would town read and I don't know why exactly I'm being town read either. My recommendation is just to hop on the TR Luka train and see if I die soon ^w^

[Luka]

Actually Luka, why does this paragraph assume Eiralox would flip town? What context am I missing there?

When initially town casing myself I made the pre-face that We're TvS and not SvS, however I also said that that presuming we are SvS chances are I defend them harder.

[Luka]

i'm not english but being called a goober is just so ugh

Sowwy
I'll change my address

[Luka]

theres a lot of players in here with atttitude problems.

:3

[Luka]

Okay, here's an actual legacy-esque.
Luka / Firebringer / KayJayQue
Eiralox / HumanEatingMonkey / Umlaut
Jackson
Hu Tao / GuyInFreezer

Normally my D1 reads are about =rand, so don't put to much weight into them FTR!

[Luka]

I can tell by your bottom 2

- This users reads consist of:
1. My top town
2. A P3 gut read off of 3 posts
3. A scum read on me (town) and Eiralox (maybe town)
:3

[Luka]

I can tell by your bottom 2

- This users reads consist of:
1. My top town
2. A P3 gut read off of 3 posts
3. A scum read on me (town) and Eiralox (maybe town)
:3

So you've never has a gut read on anyone early?

see its posts like these that make me wonder what youre doing if youre town
i never said gut reads are bad what i am saying is that if the game is on page 30 and your only 2 reads are gut reads that you cant vocalize that's probably something to work on

[Luka]

And why do you still like your vote?

weird question but ok

[Luka]

Sorry I'm a little quick to anger at the moment, those comments just made me gwadjaw9d

I think that Jackson actually believes his read on Kay no matter his alignment, which generally looks good. Either way not a svs pairing

[Luka]

Luka, what exactly is ur reason for voting Hua Toa. Hua tao fine with elimming anyone and just openning up with that feels like town hua. Not caring about appearances, why u voting them

they have 2 reads one of which was a page 3 ggut read, when asked whhy they thought it was the case gut was their reasoning yet the feel enough to call it lock town. The play feels really bad and pockety and multiple times have they misinterpreted my arguments against them strawmanning it and then, not conceding to but just ignoring it once i called them out on it. the second read is once again a read on kay which just feels like blatent TMI with the thread state right now and i dont know what the slot is doing if theyre a towner

[Luka]

Read any of my previous games I always go on gut reads. Again, which is why no one here but you has an issue with it.

I am physically dying
I do not doubt that you do this, I do not doubt that you make mostly gut reads! I do not doubt that gut reads are bad, I am not saying that you should not make them.

[Luka]

Sounds a bit TMI to be, sweatie

I am literally calling you a wolf what the fuck is TMI

[Luka]

U think Hua Tao gut reads are trying to pocket? where do u feel thats case

They were made on an opening post and a consensus town in the thread, they're not really takes that are "absurd" and they feel safe in a sense. Trying to pocket by the fact that they've called somebody literally lock town when I don't think they believe it themselves, they thought that Overcat was towny as voiced in thread but a town locking that as town just feels like poor play at best, no disrespect.

Also they're kind of frustrating me w/ how they're acting around recent pages, entiteld as fuck and all of their arguments are god awful. IE: Saying that because nobody SRs this means my read is wrong, but that logic is just really horrible given it would stem from the fact that I can theoretically never be correct on a read that isn't consensus when my first and only other game on mafiascum I went 2/2 D1. It feels like trying to discredit my reads with poor logic which they should know, I don't think they're somebody incapable of thinking through the simple thought of "This is probably bad logic, given it would rely on me being an open book as wolf".

[Luka]

I read them, and I am not convinced.

That post was the post I was refering to which felt pockety for the record, they before that point voiced nothing along the lines of cat being "obvious town", just that the slot was remotely towny but they suddenly changed their mind to obvious town once the slot was being voted.

[Luka]

I’ll sheep if there’s no other info coming in. I’ve had a long ass weekend and I’m getting over being extremely sick. I’ll do better on day 2 if I’m here.

I'm also sick ^w^
Sick besties!

[Luka]

Kind of feel like Rambling about how Hu Tao's play is bad even if they're a town and they should learn to actually do things day one and by pushing them we can get them to do things but I feel like I'm getting into the "petty push" territory over something minor as opposed to my actual case at hand so I won't do that until later.

[Luka]

Not going to complain to much about the CFD since hindsight 50/50 but what the fuck.

[Luka]

One in Hu Tao / HEM
One in Jackson / Gif

[Luka]

Okay screw it. I'm making an executive decision. If this is town, tomorrow you can blame me.

VOTE: Eiralox

This was my original gut feel anyway

I'm protective role. Want me to reveakl what protective role Hu Tao?

Screw this game. What a circus.

Eiralox made themselves obvious at EOD FTR.

[Luka]

I'd be willing to vote Luka since he's tunneling me for no reason but I doubt that's happening

Explained the reason 20 times bestie. If you play this way as town then

[Luka]

I'm ignoring that PR claim until it's fleshed out more

Eiraloxs frustration was exceddingly obvious at EOD and I'm questioning why you didn't see it. Scum don't approach the game in a way they do.

[Luka]

I read them, and I am not convinced.

That post was the post I was refering to which felt pockety for the record, they before that point voiced nothing along the lines of cat being "obvious town", just that the slot was remotely towny but they suddenly changed their mind to obvious town once the slot was being voted.

I just don't see how Overcat or even GIF was the being targeted for pocket in that way with just being called obvtown

They only called the slot obv town when directly interacting with as opposed to making the read itself. Considering going on a dif player but I don't know if Eiralox saved myself or Firebringer.

[Luka]

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

[Luka]

One in Hu Tao / HEM
One in Jackson / Gif

Jackson had some I think genuine frustration last day but could be NAI. My main problem is all of these players are exuding being rude/frustration which I normally assodiate with being town, which at the very least makes them harder to push given they just whine when they do so (a few of them don't. Mostly directed at two people you know who you are) as opposed to playing the game.

[Luka]

Pretty confident in 2/3 HEM, Jackson, Luka. Vote them in any order and we win

Why aren't you re-evaluating today when you're alive + two town flips, both of which you didn't TR? Also, if even one of them is wrong then you go into LYLO w/ two wolves and it's once again; possible your reads are wrong. If you're town you're over confident on things you're labeling scum reads.

[Luka]

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

What if scum just killed Eira? Why isn't that in your consideration? Also why would scum kill you?

I mean, I'm universal town and if you were a wolf. Even if you aren't they can kill me to frame you.
W/ all due respect to Eira I strongly doubt they die.

[Luka]

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

What if scum just killed Eira? Why isn't that in your consideration? Also why would scum kill you?

I mean, I'm universal town and if you were a wolf. Even if you aren't they can kill me to frame you.
W/ all due respect to Eira I strongly doubt they die.

This question is actually pretty bad since the answer is really telegraphed and it gains you nothing.

[Luka]

I'm re evaling KJQ later, I still think they're a towner but worried about getting snowed.

[Luka]

One in Hu Tao / HEM
One in Jackson / Gif

Hu Tao / GIF
Jackson / HEM
Ocrams razor those are the two teams. Jackson very unpaired w/ KJQ, I want to see them try to solve today.

[Luka]

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

What if scum just killed Eira? Why isn't that in your consideration? Also why would scum kill you?

Couldn’t Eira have also protected the IC?

Hence why I labled that as an option. As a wolf I wouldnt kill the IC to protective dodge is my main problem w/ that tbh, but wolves could just be weird.

[Luka]

Any wolf targeting the IC when Eiralox claimed protective is pretty bad at mech so I don't know how you're all so confident on this.

[Luka]

Any wolf targeting the IC when Eiralox claimed protective is pretty bad at mech so I don't know how you're all so confident on this.

[Luka]

Double post oops

[Luka]

Any wolf targeting the IC when Eiralox claimed protective is pretty bad at mech so I don't know how you're all so confident on this.

It could’ve been a bluff. Either way, scum targeted IC or Eira. I see no other real possibilities here. No way you were protected.

Probably wasn't a bluff, it's possible I was protected. I agree that it's less probable than the scum team just not knowing how to interact with mechanical information judging from the thread, but I believe Eiralox said something along the lines of Mine / Umlauts reads being the best in this game / us having the solve.

[Luka]

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

What if scum just killed Eira? Why isn't that in your consideration? Also why would scum kill you?

I mean, I'm universal town and if you were a wolf. Even if you aren't they can kill me to frame you.
W/ all due respect to Eira I strongly doubt they die.

This question is actually pretty bad since the answer is really telegraphed and it gains you nothing.

It's true lol, if you want to ask a question make sure you gain something out of it rather than just polluting thread. That's like asking me what's 2+2

[Luka]

Pretty confident in 2/3 HEM, Jackson, Luka. Vote them in any order and we win

Why aren't you re-evaluating today when you're alive + two town flips, both of which you didn't TR? Also, if even one of them is wrong then you go into LYLO w/ two wolves and it's once again; possible your reads are wrong. If you're town you're over confident on things you're labeling scum reads.

I think overcat was obv town. And this feels like town Kay. I don't think either are scum. My town reads haven't changed since yesterday so I'm not sure what you expected?

I mean, you were wrong on 2 flipped slots and all of your town reads alive alive + yourself entering D2, I'm not sure why exactly you have the audacity to tunnel a page 2 obv town read without elaborating on it further other than "gut".

[Luka]

I meant scum could’ve thought Eira’s claim was a bluff. I highly doubt you were targeted for a kill AND protected. But what do I know.

My point being that if Hu Tao is scum and only if such were to be the case it's possible I was for both, given me being protected is plausible due to Eiralox's post regarding me and Umlaut given Umlaut is dead, and I've been tunneling Hu Tao most of the game.

[Luka]

Especially in a micro, scum definitely went after the confirmed town. I see no reason why they wouldn’t.

Bestie there is literally a protective claim, if scum went after the confirmed town and expected anything but them being protected then they have a skill issue.

[Luka]

it's probable that firebringer was the kill and eiralox protected him

i don't know how that makes me scum luka, so let me hear your theory

For the bolded, I don't build worlds around scum being horrible at NKs. I do admit that it's possible Eiralox was directly attacked which makes this read inherintly mean nothing. My point being that I believe if I weren't to be attacked Hu Tao is ocrams razor town given they would likely kill me during the night were they to be a wolf, and I have the two pairings given.

[Luka]

Hu Tao's posts are still pretty stinky, they aren't attempting to solve the game and they're just asking questions / basically being filler. I don't remember a single significant read since like, P1 and the lsot they were reading had a grand total of 2 posts that feels like TRing a partner or blatent TMI.

You should really read my other games then. This is just how I am, if you don't like it then too bad. The people that are familiar with me would say something if this was out of the normal

Can you link your other games? This forum is kind of bad to look at prior games played on, I at least looked at one game
> viewtopic.php?p=14126395&f=2&t=92448&us ... #p14126395
And you were fairly different this game. For one, you actually made early scum reads and didn't really make town reads, you at least explain your reads to some actiivty and you're much more of a low poster. The core difference being you're agressive when compared to here you're just passive and you take a POE stance towards things. I could just be conf biased towards the first game I saw, so care to link more?

[Luka]

Luka over here thinking he’s the main character of Micro 1104 lol

Probably very town though.

I would only be killed if and only if Hu Tao is a wolf FTR. If not then I absolutely wouldn't.

I do think that if scum did actually attack the IC they suck at night kills tho

[Luka]

Luka over here thinking he’s the main character of Micro 1104 lol

Probably very town though.

I would only be killed if and only if Hu Tao is a wolf FTR. If not then I absolutely wouldn't.

I do think that if scum did actually attack the IC they suck at night kills tho

Well this just shows you that I suck as scum lol because I definitely would’ve tried (but would’ve been talked out of it by better players. And probably gone after Eira then)

I just don’t see a world where there’s a confirmed town and a claimed protective PR and scum would think “that Luka guy is just too smart, let’s kill him instead” lol

I more think they would go "Wow, this Luka dude has a lucky SR on one of our mafia that's pretty annoying. Let's kill it"
I'm sure you might not suck as scum but if you don't think things out then things like that can happen.

[Luka]

HEM's one post today is kinda ass FTR, going to widen my view from Hu Tao since I think they could just be

weird

town.
I also lack meta on nearly any of you which makes things much harder since I think half of the reads this game are meta

[Luka]

HEM's one post today is kinda ass FTR, going to widen my view from Hu Tao since I think they could just be

weird

town.
I also lack meta on nearly any of you which makes things much harder since I think half of the reads this game are meta

Not intended as an insult FTR, just weird since I'm not used to it lol.

[Luka]

@Hu Tao you brought up the meta angle as your only defense, can you link a few town / wolf games bestie?

[Luka]

I don't think luka was universally townread and i think he knows it? I mean i townread him a lot.Ehhh still willing to say luka is town

I am. Only person who doesn't is Hu Tao. Don't think I'm missing anyone.

[Luka]

You got me

Based on meta you're a lock wolf.
But, as mentioned yourself; discord is different than forum so I'm not carrying my pre-existing assumptions here.
@Firebringer can you articulate what about this game reminded you of Hu Taos town game? I skimmed a game as prior mentioned and I found nothing similar; in addition to that I noted how they were actually pushing people that game as compared to this game.

[Luka]

I don't have much time today so I'm going to cheat.

I overall like this VCA since no matter what it's softly shading a partner and I think it's more likely to come from town.

[Luka]

VOTE: KJQ This isn't the Kay I played with. Kay I played with is much more skeptical and tries to be more independent with her reads.

May you link a game or two? I lack expierience w/ nearly every player here.

[Luka]

@Luka lol

I mean, if you shot Eiralox or the IC I don't think you're very good at selecting night kills. The former is the easiest misexe since uhm, me. The latter is the easiest protective target since RadiantCowbells.

[Luka]

Wait, you fr? That fascinates me, you are the only one that knows me there so I'm curious. Even if that's post game

You pushed a town D1.

[Luka]

So I cannot visualize HEM as being scum ever, and I only needed to read few recent posts and posts during D1 CFD.

Don't know if this post comes from a scum here.

[Luka]

If someone doesn't see Luka or HEM as town they'll have to convince me because I don't think I'm ever getting out of that.

I don't know if it's at the point where I can say if I'm a wolf the game is already over yet, but if I'm a wolf the game is already over.

Unfortunately, my wolf game is much stronger than my town one

[Luka]

What??

The IC Eiralox is going to be on. Eiralox themselves I think was a very easy mis-exe target w/ 2 votes already on them, you can CC the protective claim if you want and then WIFOM it D3 going into XYLO.

[Luka]

Again, you asked. I can have thoughts, thank you very much. And I will verbalize my thoughts when asked.

Bestie I think that Jackson is actually a bit annoyed no matter their alignment, you can treat them a bit more fairly.

[Luka]

I’m confused. I don’t know what the right move is. The VCA makes sense because even if GIF is bad, I don’t think Luka is scum so at least 1 scum had to vote Eira. Which means it’s, at minimum, a 1 in 3. I can’t tell if you’re bad or not. I can’t tell if Hu is bad or not.

Bestie can you give me an ordered reads list?

[Luka]

I think HEM is very likely town here

May you explain why? I'll likely sheep this tbh same with GIF's read since I really CBA to do more.
FTR, I think that GIF is >rand town now reading their newest posts.

[Luka]

I think HEM can't be scum here because there was no reason to heavy push for Eiralox wagon yesterday if he was scum. He could just let the game stagnate and we likely would have elimmed a townie. Unless he was directly doing it to avoid a specific low hanging fruit scum from being end of day elim (which im not seeing).

Ah, I see. I disagree w/ the premise that there was no reason to do anything since that's under the assumption that they don't have a pre-existing meta. You have to expect the wolves to do something and just laying back and doing nothing isn't intrinsically advancing your win condition. I really CBA to read the slot myself so I'll sheep it regardless though (very pro of me to do!)

[Luka]

There are certain types of players who try to play up the whole "i am so obvious town. I am always town. How can you not think I am town. Kind of schitck and its kind of not alignment indicative, but here i think it could be an act.

I am infact one of those players! Only when I believe I am though. I'm fairly polarized despite my scum game being stronger than my town game, or at least I feel so; hence why I most of the time think my alignment is fairly obvious. As scum you'll notice me being a lot more 1. Vote happy / Aggressive and 2. More reclusive at the same time. In my pushes I feel aggressive, but I also kind of feel scared to post much without teamate approval. Theirs a quick guide towards reading Luka!

[Luka]

I had a feeling, they asked why I felt that way, I answered them, and they reacted the way they did. Can you tell me where I have treated them unfairly?

Not really unfairly, but I think that the proper thing there is to just take a step back when they voiced frustration and deal with it later.

[Luka]

{HEM}
{Luka}
{Kay}
{GIF/Hua Toa}
{Jackson}

I would put GIF one above Hua Toa. I think that GIFs posts today have been fairly good an frankly are boxing themselves in if theyre a wolf. I don't know why they would lock Jackson as a wolf for example if they were a wolf themselves; just feels out of place. Unless this is based on meta.

[Luka]

Luka I don’t like that you just assumed you are obvtown and can just stop trying now and sheep other people. That’s not going to help us if you’re sheeping the wrong person. I get that he’s IC but what if his read us wrong? IC doesn’t mean all-knowing and always right. This whole attitude of “I CBA to do it” I’m not a big fan of, I dunno. Day 1 sheeping isn’t terrible but we really need to figure this out now that we got info from d1. I’m stuck right now so I want as much input as possible which doesn’t work if you’re just agreeing with everything Fire says without forming the opinion yourself.

Nothing about my play today aside from the start of it relies on the basis that I'm obvious town, I'm deferring to another slot that has more experience than me. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Luka]

is Luka a really good player from MU? if so, has he really done anything outside of his scumrange? asking @jv and @fire

Better wolf player than town player but I'm fine.

[Luka]

We could use more shit posts in this game to make it more enjoyable. This game is supposed to be fun distraction away from my day job.

dw I got you bestie ^-^

[Luka]

I like Hu Tao as an execute since they're posting horribly but I want them to respond to my questions first.

[Luka]

Yes when I finish catching up

Thank you.

[Luka]

@Hu Tao
I believe you caught up a while ago.

[Luka]

PRs are .5 points by the way so my push is fully justified post game

[Luka]

PRs are .5 points by the way so my push is fully justified post game

What does this mean

PRs normally act kinda wolfy so scum reading a PR is normally half a scum reading a wolf point

[Luka]

IDK How much work it takes to not get prodded so just posting once to remind you guys I exist.

[Luka]

IDK How much work it takes to not get prodded so just posting once to remind you guys I exist.

You have to post something relevant to the game.

Ill be around tonigut

[Luka]

Wadafak

Sorry for stating the truth

[Luka]

We should just Mass Claim.

[Luka]

I'm operating under the assumption that KJQ is town, if I'm getting snowed well I've gotten snowed before.
Hu Tao is self resolving and we should ignore the slot for now, frankly the claim is NAI but I still want the slot to resolve.
Myself / the IC are well, the IC.
The IC is calling HEM their top town and I want to sheep that under the assumption that the read is solid.
^ A bunch of words
[GIF, Jackson] becomes the poe :3
Which, is probably not a good POE!
But, fuck it!

[Luka]

Rest are VT I think. If you aren't VT and you're not claiming what are you doing.

[Luka]

I'm going to take another look at KJQ tonight to see if I'm being snowed or not.

[Luka]

Jackson is town I'm fairly confident.

[Luka]

• I'm town.
  
• FancyPants is town.
  
• Overcat, JV, Hu Tao get provisional town leans.
  
• This leaves {KayJayQueue, Luka, ceejayvinoya, Eiralox}.

I can help you narrow down your list!

I’m town (:

Maybe towny

[Luka]

And no, it’s not Hu Tao.

It’s me!

Maybe towny x2 but why are half of your posts going you're town atp

[Luka]

I'd GTH KJQ town I think but unsure after ISOing

[Luka]

Nya
I disagree with your clear but ok
KJQ I'm unsure on after ISOing, not sure what I found towny in the first place. Something to note is that I do very poorly on large cycle games due to my very lacking memory, so I forgot most of the content in this game already.

[Luka]

I just said Luka likely town, but I wouldn't stake the game on it.

I would

[Luka]

Neh GIF can die too
In isolation their posts aren't very good IDT
I kinda think their confidence is towny but regardless

[Luka]

Maybe GIF’s vote analysis was done because it allowed him to look towny while also having an excuse to be excluded from the analysis.

idk but i think that jackson is town which mkaes the game harder

[Luka]

Ugh I’m so stressed about this flip.

neh

[Luka]

ill do better on my 2nd game on ms probably but game hard lol
i think that jackson is town i think that kjq is maybe town
[hutao, hem, gif]
ignoring hem hu tao gif
thats assuming kjq is pure i guess which idk what exaclty i town from them this game

[Luka]

I received fruit btw

if fv isnt claiming im going to burst in anger btw

[Luka]

Can fruit vendor be scum?

probably not but technically yes
mel is probably town and if im wrong then woe be me
i think that hu tao is probably scum and the fv is just being a fucking troll

[Luka]

But then, there is this.

it was due to the ate
nai at worst towny at best i dont do that with my teamate confirmed dead and not save them

[Luka]

think I wanna be daring and let Hu Tao stay on for tomorrow so she can either get cleared by kill or we get a 1v1 ELo tomorrow where she claims an inno/guilty and she's forced to act on it. It will be an easier game that way.

GIF is cleared by slimming down PoE on JV where he didn't need to.
Kay is cleared, barring planned hardbus.

VOTE: Luka

gif clear isnt hard clearing for a good scum member but whatever cba to argue with this logic
me and mel are hella unpaired and saying anything otherwise is a faulty on your part
i dont go "this person has a very large scum range! :3" p2 as s/s be real

[Luka]

i'm super open minded so you can you be assed to argue with me?

not right now
maybe later

[Luka]

why not? distancing exists, and no one in this playerlist has really buddied up on JV so the idea that scum will only try to save their teammate or be buddy with them doesn't fit in this universe?

easiest 4 me to just powerful by pushing other people
esp if u look at d1 i could very easily enforce the ML of anybody in the game when JV was a plausible wagon

[Luka]

"you're bad, this is bad" is super cringy to hear when i want to engage in dialogue and will make me deeply want your elimination in an emotional level.

im not calling you bad please dont interpret my posts as scuh
im saying this is bad sure given i dont think you have an actual push on me aside from poe that isnt considering my posts at large

[Luka]

on the main topic, even though you noted that JV has a large scum range, it wasn't much of a push and you've played around the slot putting them in your bottom half but barely trying to get anyone to eliminate them. your focus has been hu tao, GIF, and me.

yeah, i was going to push them d3 were they to be alive
i dont have a very strong read on the slo aside from what i know works, and i believe i said this earlier itg

[Luka]

after saying these, you spent the rest of the day phase being as far away from engaging jackson as possible iirc. you dropped this much later:

i dont think i said very much d2 and i ended up no voting
i wasnt expecting the day to end that early (I also wasnt expecting night to edn this early)
i dont rly know ms cycles

[Luka]

I'm kinda lost. I think scum has to be someone that was in a good position day 1. Because they did the kill n1.

guys is this TMIing the fact that they directly killed eiralox or a towny brain farting