Jupiter!!!! It's my pleasure to be finally playing with you!In post 13, Sunflower wrote: hi it's me Jupiter and I'm phone posting which is really annoying but it has the benefit of autocorrect
I'm the less cool member of this hydra and my signoff is
Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG
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Do you guys think the third dream would result in Vi suddenly joining the game and/or influencing it in some way? I think it's unlikely but I can only hope.-
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Well my reading comprehension sucks. But I think Vi is known for setup design so it'd probably influence the setup?
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I'll be voting for either Vi or Dial.
Also I think we're supposed to RVS as usual?
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NVM mod just confirmed you can cast 3 dream votes. I'm voting Dial, Vi, Sheeple.-
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Aureal post something towny please so I can locktown you on page 2.-
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Wow Aureal is even more locktown than Python would've been if they were here. Which reminds me I miss playing with Python-
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What's that mean btw?In post 21, Prism wrote: usually with a bastard Tarhalindur-
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Gimli trying to pocket me? Again? Must be town!In post 40, Gimli wrote: I agree with dial, vi and sheeple
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EBWOP: the claim that nothing alignment indicative has been said was written without regard to Ravens or Kyo.-
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Ok Gimli is seriously locktown. I am never voting him this game and it isn't a joke.-
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I just finished a game with scum Gimli and he was trying very hard to pocket basically the entire playerlist (and succeeding in no small degree), but not really solving. Here I can feel that he wants to solve. The difference is day and night. I am simply going to treat Gimli as mod-confirmed town.-
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<3In post 52, Gimli wrote: I'm also locktowning DE
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WAIT
I just realized that this is Kyoko Kirirgi in here
I was sure for some reason it was ssbm_kyouko
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I mean the one where I hammered youIn post 58, Gimli wrote:
I have no idea what happened in the last fferyllt game, wanna tell?In post 54, DragonEater70 wrote:
<3In post 52, Gimli wrote: I'm also locktowning DE
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Yeah the slide one sounds like negative utility tbh. I would prefer to have it easier to achieve a lim, not harder.-
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Meaning?In post 65, Silver Ravens wrote: Oh by the way, in case people are not voting the dial, it has a very very high chance that dream has some sort of revive.-
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@Mod - the effects in post 66 are the effects that will happen if the slide dream is selected at the end of the phase, right? Or have these effects already been applied?-
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I meant, what do you mean by "some sort of revive"?In post 72, Silver Ravens wrote:
Meaning that we should all vote for the dial one?In post 70, DragonEater70 wrote:
Meaning?In post 65, Silver Ravens wrote: Oh by the way, in case people are not voting the dial, it has a very very high chance that dream has some sort of revive.-
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Because I don't want to wait an additional 3 days or even 4-5 days if we would've normally settled on a lim before deadline but now we can't. This gives scum more time to squeeze out of tight situations.In post 71, Silver Ravens wrote: I was gonna say "how is plurality lim not easier" and then I saw the Bad Dream selection in case of ties.
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HmmmmmmmmmmIn post 78, Silver Ravens wrote:
So 11 and 12, right?In post 75, DragonEater70 wrote:
I meant, what do you mean by "some sort of revive"?In post 72, Silver Ravens wrote:
Meaning that we should all vote for the dial one?In post 70, DragonEater70 wrote:
Meaning?In post 65, Silver Ravens wrote: Oh by the way, in case people are not voting the dial, it has a very very high chance that dream has some sort of revive.
So normally, at the end of Night 1, we have 11 players left because one eliminated, and one killed by mafia.
But if we're changing 11 to 12, what would that mean?
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I know I said I was gone but I'm an addict and Black quoted me so how can I resist answering.
First off, it was fireisred not Jupiter.
Second, you do you Black. I'm happy with my read.
Third, @fire: I was hoping to get absolutely nothing! That post wasn't a reaction test or anything, I was just stating my thoughts. I mean I guess I did hope on some level that posting a read would somehow help to maybe squeeze out of RVS (which I think did happen even though I haven't done more than a cursory skim of anything since my last post), but I didn't really plan for anything consciously. I just posted it because I felt like posting it.-
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It probably came out wrong so I just wanna clarify that I don't think I was necessarily the driving force in getting out of RVS even though Prism did post a scumread of me and you did post a question/shade/idk of me so I'd say it did achieve something wrt to getting out of RVS, but again my objective wasn't that, I just had a read and I posted it because that's what you do with early reads, you post them and hope that somehow or another you're going to end up out of RVS
Have I created a word salad? Perhaps. However I'll have you know that it was a word salad made by a townperson. And also that my read on Gimli is real and confident and, to use a usesPython term (sort of), townpilled. And also I think, if I'm allowed to indulge in usesPython imitation, that questioning that read is cringe and mafpilled.-
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I actually disliked the pocketing interaction buuuut I thought the fact that he didn't lean into my townread of him just a few posts prior felt extremely town. Like as scum I'd expect him to lean into it and pocket me rather than look like he's suspecting me for no reason.In post 142, Sunflower wrote: just seemed like a weird thing to post immediately after gimli had a kind of awkward pocketing-style interaction with kyoko
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See the thing is that theIn post 145, Von Payne wrote:
I'm surprised you're so confident in that read tbh. Gimli's first 20 posts of Death Note have a ton of solving in themIn post 140, DragonEater70 wrote: Second, you do you Black. I'm happy with my read.
I'm curious, if I showed you games where scum!Gimli was aggressive and tried to seem like he was solving early would that change your mind at all?
~Bwayhe want about solvong was completely different in Death Note. Throughout all that game I mentioned how I felt he was pocketing me and Klick, which was true. Because he wasn't questioning people's alignments sincerely, he was just townreading the guys he knew would want to townread him and towncore with him. And here he did the opposite. And you can say "well can't he do the opposite as scum", but I just don't think that's his scum playstyle and I do think it's instantly recognizable as his town paystyle whereas in death note it looked good on the surface but wasn't it.
It's kind of like how when you are in a dream (when gimli is scum), you mightthinkthat you are not dreaming (that he's town), but when you are awake, youknowyou are awake (that he's town). Idk how better to explain it but that's how I feel about Gimli.-
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I will note that I used it jokingly under the influence of it being roughly midnight, and qould not use these terms under normal circumstances.In post 148, Prism wrote: This doesn't have anything to do with alignment but seeing "townpilled" and "mafpilled" convinces me that I need to be wheeled into the nursing home. I can see clearly the culture that led to this moment, and I understand that it evolved to leave me far behind.-
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EBWOPIn post 153, DragonEater70 wrote: I will note that I used it jokingly under the influence of it being roughly midnight, andwouldnot use these terms under normal circumstances.-
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Wow is this going to be the first time that I vote Klick and it's NOT a reaction test? Cool cool!In post 126, Klick wrote:Every single negative consequence of this dream can be negated by us just all agreeing that it should be negated and playing accordingly. (Assuming we all agree that the impact of these is negative)
We agree that we're ending the day by the usual deadline. We also agree that when someone reaches majority, we collapse onto them regardless of our reads.
I think this dream is neutral in earlier days, and negative-utility as we approach ELo. Which probably makes it a good early choice
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I'll have more reads to share tomorrow probably, but yeah it's past midnight and I can feel my brain melting.-
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I don't think this is inaccurate characterization of me at all, I am very much aware that I'm playing very differently to that game, but I also feel this is a vastly different gamestate than Pizza Kids and I think it's a bit of a stretch to think it's alignment indicative that I'm responding to things differently while ignoring the context, tbh.In post 158, Prism wrote: First, I think Dragon was a lot more hostile and skeptical when accused of virtually anything in Pizza Kids.
RE the second point, I'm not even sure what you're trying to convey? Black said she didn't agree with my read, I said I don't really care about that, then she actually asked a question regarding why I had the read so I explained it... How is responding differently to two different things remotely related to my alignment???-
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Can't fall asleep, maybe this will help
VOTE: Von Payne
Also @fire, I am not sure whether I'm supposed to be insulted or not by you calling my thought process backwards and then saying it's a "patented dragoneater brain thought pattern" buuuuuut since you are apparently a cool and not bad person I'm going to assume no harm was meant.-
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You are wrong btw, it wasn't a reaction test. I just felt it was weird for you to open with a random thought about mech and then disappear instead of engaging with the plenty of content that was there. But my VP scumread is bigger so here I am not voting you atm.In post 179, Klick wrote:
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Alright off for another 30 minutes of trying to fall asleep, maybe it'll work this time.-
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My townread on Gimli, people's reactions to it, people's scumread on Gimli (I think that may have happened after your entrance but you still ignored it), people's scunread of Black (same as for last one), Kyoko x Gimli interaction, Ravens trying to get out of RVS but with pretty meh content... The list goes on.In post 197, Klick wrote:
What do you expect me to have an opinion on at the minute?In post 192, DragonEater70 wrote:
You are wrong btw, it wasn't a reaction test. I just felt it was weird for you to open with a random thought about mech and then disappear instead of engaging with the plenty of content that was there. But my VP scumread is bigger so here I am not voting you atm.In post 179, Klick wrote:
NoIn post 156, DragonEater70 wrote:Wow is this going to be the first time that I vote Klick and it's NOT a reaction test?
I will say however that your recent posting (i.e. all three posts since the one I voted you for) have made me lean more town on you. But the above is the original reasoning for the vote.
It's your Mith-given right to disagree with whatever you want to, but I think it's weird to disagree with something that you don't even know. I explained Klick vote, will explain Von Payne vote in a few minutes.In post 198, Prism wrote: I don't know enough about the Klick or Von Payne votes to even take a realistic guess at Dragon's perspective there. I just don't agree with them.-
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The vote on Von Payne was mainly that I didn't like how Black pushed me. I think it's okay for Black to have a scumread of me here (even though her reasoning is pretty meh and she's hypocritical in saying I'm not reevaluating but not trying to understand my stance herself). That's not what I have a problem with, in fact it's probably towny. What I have a problem with is the fact she's been pushing me but not voting and also apparently pushing Gimli and also not voting? It kinda feels like she's pushing for the sake of making a push and doesn't reallyyyy think we're scum. Idk. As of writing this down I feel way less strongly about it. I do also happen to agree with Gimli that I kinda expected Black's entrance to be more solving oriented, but meh I agree we shouldn't try to do meta reads this game.-
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VOTE: Prism
I feel something about her reads is off. Like she's definitely saying TRUE things to back them up, but her conclusions are kinda forced whichmightbe scum indicative.-
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Like saying "dragoneater is acting different to pizza kids! That's scummy!" When there are huge differences to Pizza Kids, including but not limited to: sleep deprivation, being the first one to try and post reads rather than reacting to other people's reads (I feel it's always awkward to make reads first, which is why I avoid doing it as scum tbh), a different playerlist, the game is heavily mech based and people have been talking about mech, not townreads, etc.-
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Pretty sure the mods said the dream vote isIn post 286, Prism wrote: There are no votes. We're in Moonrise. I'm also not voting you.in additionto elimination votes?-
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Don't complain later that I am the one seeking to avoid fights-
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At least that's how I interpreted it.In post 1, morph the cat wrote: In addition to the elimination, players may begin voting for 3 unique Dreams during the day by sending a PM to the Mods-
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Yeah okay that makes sense. Well there goes my Black scumread.-
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I agree actually, I thought Kyoko's townread of Gimli was weird.In post 200, ActionDan wrote: 47 and 48: actually having these opinions would be scummy.-
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I actually agree that it's fine to question it, I wrote that mostly as a joke late at night.In post 200, ActionDan wrote: No it isn't. Your read was and is trash. Even if you consider yourself to be a Gimli whisperer without fallibility you should think others might question your read, rightfully so.-
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lol I get you. Prism feels very - domineering? arrogant? something of this sort - here. Don't think it has anything to do with her alignment though, it's just playstyle.In post 217, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I feel like I just got scolded by my math teacher for scoring an 80 over the expected 90 on my test. Ngh, time to go back to my corner and watch.
Anyway, @Prism: I think you are wrong to dismiss her point. I don't care what you think of my skill level, but I most likely wouldn't have posted 143 as scum unless I thought being extremely self-conscious would get me townread, which I don't think I would think in this game with this PL. And the fact that the post is self-conscious is if anything testimony to me being town, because I posted it DESPITE knowing it looked self-conscious in a scummy way.-
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Acknowledged.In post 304, Prism wrote: (I'm also not calling your counterpoints tedium: it's when I give counters to the counters that things spiral)
Uhhhhh I guess I can see why it's bugging you, but I think it's kind of a town moonlogic rather than a scum moonlogic? And I can see how a person who's scumreading me/Gimli/Kyoko would TR Ydra for it. But on second thought, actually that would presume that Ydra didn't post the "NO TOWNBLOCKS" as a joke. And I thought she did it as a joke. So maybe he's a bit reachy in his townread of her? Meh I'm just going to let AD post more, I think he's rather easy to sort.In post 305, Aureal wrote: His 229 is bugging me though, I'm trying to parse what's going on with that Ydrasse read and it feels weird.-
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I never really said he was wrong, the vote was for something else.In post 240, Sunflower wrote: i don't think klick is wrong, though? fire informed me what plurality-elims were, and it really doesn't seem all that bad. if this dream is selected, which it probably won't, playing around the "detriments" (isn't a day extension a good thing????) isn't that hard to do.-
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I'm finding that I'm townreading the Catgirls for no particular reason.-
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Seems you were trying to sort me earlier and I don't feel like I understood what conclusion you arrived at, if any. So I'm curious.
Also you said you aren't townreading Prism. Do you have no read on Prism or are you scumreading her?-
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Cool that makes sense
I think you are probably town (not for this post, mainy for Jupiter's posting tbh, but this post was more or less in line with what I expected from town you).-
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Klick has ew reads
Still think he's town though
And in the spirit of making right past wrongs, I am going to sheep him
VOTE: Aureal
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