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[Gypyx]

3 is what we're assuming and 4 is the worst case scenario, not the opposite

[Gypyx]

alright let's always assume the worst case scenario

ranger was hard bussed by 3 of his scumbuddies to give them all tons of towncred, oblivion is scum and playing us like a fiddle, etc.. etc...

you see where i'm getting at?

[Gypyx]

We assume there's at least 4, period.

Wait can there be 5? That’s insane if a possibility.

Always hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If there's only 4 instead of 5, great.

nurse you need to take your pills

In what universe do you think attacking me like this will help anyone?

Sorry this wasn't meant as a personal attack, just like considering there could be 5 scum is an EXTREMELY outlandish theory

5 scum means we reach ELo in 2 cycles

[Gypyx]

3 is the bare minimum, not 4

like, to take from another site, with an (admittedly) more townsided meta, the incoming setup for qualifiers for the mafia championship is a 12:3 setup

the 5P hood also has to be considered as town power so it takes another dent to the potential power budget that would be worth claiming

[Gypyx]

correct me if i'm wrong also, but we probably shouldn't go around assuming there could be 4 scum in every 13P normal because of "worst case scenario"

[Gypyx]

13P is usually 3 scum, and in fact, it's one of the first setup sizes with 3 being the norm (12 is the first, 11 i have only seen as 2 scums)

you're saying that as we only add *2* players those two additional slots can be scum without any issue

look like i'd give you more credit if we had some strong PRs flipped

but all we have is 3 VTs ffs

[Gypyx]

correct me if i'm wrong also, but we probably shouldn't go around assuming there could be 4 scum in every 13P normal because of "worst case scenario"

...

13p is not 15p, gypyx.

Why you continue to fight on this is concerning.

VOTE: Gypyx

Look RN like, idc if it sounds personal but if jesters were normal i would be convinced you would be one right now

can someone else come over and talk some sense please?

hearing blatantly wrong takes is the one thing that pisses me off yeah

[Gypyx]

like, idk

you're allowed to think i'm bad at the game but try to reframe that thinking on if it means i'm mafia

[Gypyx]

if there were 3 scum it would make sense for them to try to convinced the rest of the town there are actually 5

[Gypyx]

random nurse confscum omfg

[Gypyx]

no like you're very obviously town but also the way you're playing is pissing me off

[Gypyx]

truth is i don't care if we're against 3 or 4 scum as we haven't reached the point where that is remotely important

[Gypyx]

i just want to shut down the 5 scum theoru

[Gypyx]

theory

[Gypyx]

and as i've said my only concern was you trying to claim there could be 5 scum, i'm just that hellbent on trying to prove there can be as few 3 because of the way you were acting

can we please recognize that argument is T/T + going nowhere + kill snow ? okay thanks byeeeee <33333333

[Gypyx]

Haters hate to see a woman girlbossing her way to winning a game of mafia

Gypyx - are you going to respond on the merits of my posts?

You mean the one where you hate on the fact that i'm girlbossing?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: snow

still want this gone

Naerys is town and for those of you pushing scum you kinda need to recalibrate your scum compass

if snow flips town i swear i'll leave the hood stuff alone for a bit and try to explore more options

Soooo..... I read Gypyx as follows.

"I am town!Gypyx (don't ask me why and take it as given) and I am very confident that Snow is scum. I won't explain why, don't even ask this, but again you should take it as given. And you should also take it as given that Thomith is town. Snow should be executed (because I say that he is scum), but if he somehow flips town, then I will leave the hood and give you another execution option (which you should follow)."

This is nonsense.
When I flip town (I know that I am town, so it's "when", and the way Gypyx puts it suggests that she also knows this), why should people follow her? May be they should do quite the opposite, i.e. review the hood again and put some scrutiny at Gypyx and her self-proclaimed towncore with Thomith? At once.
BTW, one scum is off board, so I am fine to be executed today with a condition that one of Thomith-Gypyx is executed tomorrow.
Thomith/Gypyx - does this sound like a fair deal for you?

Okok i'll indulge in seriousness for a bit

yeah that's what is happening right now, this is not nonesense because i'm correct

i am fine with not being followed tommorow if i turn out to be wrong, you are acting like this confidence is set in stone forever, while mafia is a game of shifting borders and alliances

[Gypyx]

1.03

Votecount 1.03

Snow2697 (4): Titus, geraintm, Little Will o' Wisp, PenguinPower
Titus (1): Naerys
Hu Tao (1): davesaz
Little Will o' Wisp (1): Gypyx
KayJayQueue (1): Thomith

Not Voting (7): Random Nurse, Oblivion, Hu Tao, Snow2697, NotAScum, KayJayQueue, JacksonVirgo

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

VOTE: Dave

1.05

Votecount 1.05

davesaz (4): Titus, Snow2697, geraintm, Hu Tao
Little Will o' Wisp (2): Gypyx, JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (2): davesaz, NotAScum
Snow2697 (1): PenguinPower
Titus (1): Naerys
JacksonVirgo (1): Thomith

Not Voting (4): Random Nurse, Oblivion, KayJayQueue, Little Will o' Wisp

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

Dave sus bc whiteknight.

What from me did you perceive as defending someone else?

This is true. Yet you voted me, how come?

To generate information.

What have you learned?

How is it that Titus pushed Dave for being whiteknight, and then did not respond to a direct legit question, but pushed Dave on a different issue?
VOTE: Titus

1.06

Votecount 1.06

davesaz (3): Titus, geraintm, Hu Tao
Hu Tao (3): davesaz, NotAScum, PenguinPower
Little Will o' Wisp (2): Gypyx, JacksonVirgo
Titus (2): Naerys, Snow2697
JacksonVirgo (1): Thomith

Not Voting (4): Random Nurse, Oblivion, KayJayQueue, Little Will o' Wisp

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

Titus's vote isn't much more than a RVS, in fact it might be exactly that. I'd call that NAI.

In what universe is this not a defense?

It is. Don't think that this per se makes Dave sus, but I understand your point now. And I see Dave sus on other grounds. So,

VOTE: Dave

1.10

Votecount 1.10

Little Will o' Wisp (3): Gypyx, PenguinPower, davesaz
Naerys (3): Little Will o' Wisp, Thomith, Titus
davesaz (2): Hu Tao, Snow2697
Hu Tao (2): NotAScum, geraintm
PenguinPower (1): JacksonVirgo
NotAScum (1): KayJayQueue
Titus (1): Naerys

Not Voting (2): Random Nurse, Oblivion

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

If you don't respond to legit questions, why do you complain of people voting you?
Still dislike Dave, but Naerys is worse.

VOTE: Naerys

I don't understand why people are really voting NAS. If the purpose is to get information and then take the game from there, this is not the most helpful lime for me. And largely irrelevant.
My pick is Naerys, but it is largely based on her playstyle. And I see comments that she can be town.
I would rather lim one of Gypyx-Thomith-Titus-geraintm-Little Will o' Wisp-PenguinPower-Dave who were on a speedwagon vs me. I think there are at least 2 scums there. My preference here would be:

VOTE: Davesaz

Notice how snow only gets back on dave when it is too late anyways

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Gypyx (2): geraintm, Naerys
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
Thomith (1): Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

and on day 1, he doesn't touch ranger at all, preffering to look at town exemplar Thomith for daring to support the greatest townie in the universe

[Gypyx]

1.16

Votecount 1.16

NotAScum (5): KayJayQueue, Thomith, Titus, PenguinPower, Naerys
Little Will o' Wisp (3): Gypyx, davesaz, NotAScum
Naerys (2): Little Will o' Wisp, Snow2697
Hu Tao (1): geraintm
davesaz (1): Hu Tao
PenguinPower (1): JacksonVirgo
Thomith (1): Random Nurse

Not Voting (1): Oblivion

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

VC at the time of snow's last dave vote

this screams scum TMI'ing and wanting to do some distancing

[Gypyx]

dave vote would also indicate town willow (as scum!snow would be able to realistically bury NAS into the ground without much scrutiny) if snow flips scum, which is EXTREMELY good info

[Gypyx]

my brains are working

the cogs are turning

is this what playing mafia feels like

[Gypyx]

actually

hmmm

why the fuck didn't snow vote will who was at 3 votes (doable) and instead chose a vanity wagon

[Gypyx]

this might be scum indicative actually

Nurse / Thom / Gera / Naerys

you're my ragtag team of townies, i require input

[Gypyx]

Haters hate to see a woman girlbossing her way to winning a game of mafia

Gypyx - are you going to respond on the merits of my posts?

You mean the one where you hate on the fact that i'm girlbossing?

I have never said what you are tring to infer, please stop this line.

My commitement to the bit is unwavering

[Gypyx]

as for my hammer onto NAS : this is a slot that would always have clogged discussion in one way or another, and i also was in a very busy place with exams and all, i was not in the mindset to evaluate dave's scuminess

[Gypyx]

Well like i just didn't see anything worth bringing down about yourself in your case?


If you will allow me to perform this exercise the fact that you ommit all the dancing around you did isn't a good look too

like, you said you tried to shift the focus on dave, but no matter your stated intent, the effect was that nothing changed and it was very unlikely to change by your one and only vote

[Gypyx]

i don't think you were oblivious to the fact that this wasn't changing a lot, especially this close to deadline

[Gypyx]

i'm not saying that, i'm saying that your efforts were not enough to get dave over the line and you absolutely could've been aware of it

also like what, townies are usually gonna push townies most of the time, it's the fact that dave was your day 1 Wishy washy push and that day 2 you went on a wild thomith goose chase when the gamestate was actually freed up to get dave killed

[Gypyx]

alright everyone new topic, are we killing snow

[Gypyx]

alright everyone new topic, are we killing snow

Why?

Because

of the reasons i've stated prior

i'm confident he flips scum

hood stuff

my bucketlist will be mostly crossed off and i'll leave y'all alone

has he done anything remotely towny?

[Gypyx]

Sure

[Gypyx]

I'm miles townies than snow but ok

[Gypyx]

How about we let a third party out of this pretty big clash of personalities decide

do we agree that's wise

[Gypyx]

you and me

[Gypyx]

You very obviously scumread my style of playing

[Gypyx]

You do realize we currently have 11 players alive

[Gypyx]

and once again my insistance was on the fact that 3 was a possibility since you were theorizing that 5 was one, no need to talk about there possibly being 4 because we agreed on that

like please nurse stop being a brick wall that's the third time i'm explaining this to you

[Gypyx]

and now i'd like you to stop bringing this up because we're really polluting the thread

[Gypyx]

We assume there's at least 4, period.

Wait can there be 5? That’s insane if a possibility.

Always hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If there's only 4 instead of 5, great.

[Gypyx]

and now i'd like you to stop bringing this up because we're really polluting the thread

yes

i think we should focus on the quest to murder snow9272

[Gypyx]

I am starting to think a Snow flip will provide a lot of information. They've been prodded and poked at by a ton of people.

how about you put his name between vote tags <3

[Gypyx]

And how would you go about trying to get more confident then?

[Gypyx]

(as snow is saying this, please take note of how ranger did absolutely nothing to push onto snow)

she either didn't want snow to go or didn't care, and therefore was fine with dying, not caring is my first impression

[Gypyx]

Look Nurse i'm sorry if i've rubbed you the wrong way but you're not going down the right direction right now

and even if you do legit scumread me for reasons that you value as tangible you're not getting me killed anyways, so please like, be more productive, do stuff, idk

[Gypyx]

but snow

excuse me if i'm wrong but it looks like (*gasp*)

you too were attempting to start a counterwagon out of ranger !

Besides like, ummm, my vote was litterally just parked on snow while i was thinking about other stuff, don't you think that as someone seeing a scumbuddy get wagonned i would at least try to declare snow as a wagon rather than just vaguely stay there? If i want people killed you know i'll scream and bite and kick stuff about it

[Gypyx]

If you flip scum i'm the greatest player ever and if scum hasn't put a bullet in my head yet it's because of the squad of 3 town doctors protecting me at all times

If you flip town i'm a stupid head and deserve to be put down like a dog

[Gypyx]

Well unless this is an insane bluff… snow seems serious and it makes me not want to vote him.

Allow me to remind you of what happened when ranger claimed N3 vig N4 jailkeeper

[Gypyx]

72 hours is absolute latest id have some stances worth anything

It would rather see your reads as well since you're just town. Also, honestly it does not wish to kill Snow.

we're really on 2 separate trajectories huh

[Gypyx]

May be you are right. But I think that Gypyx-Thomith went too far in trying to lim me without reason, and I went to far fighting them back.

Yes but why am i scum instead of a misguided townie

[Gypyx]

...

Do you really think that in the world where i'm scum my biggest question mark is if snow scumreads me?

Like

Snow "i've been pushing Gypyx since the start of day 3" 2697

that's the guy we're talking about?

My question was rhetorical, asking him to reconsider why he's even scumreading me

[Gypyx]

Haters hate to see a woman girlbossing her way to winning a game of mafia

Btw this was a serious post, y'all really need to scumread me on better grounds cause that's not it

[Gypyx]

Once again snow with the taking stuff out of context to be able to create a scumread on me

people were afraid of chain-limming into the hood again and again and it being all town save for ranger, i was saying that we were in fact not doing that and now you're phrasing it as me wanting to be left alone in the event that you flip town

you're also blowing this "counterwagon" way out of proportion, yes i've went on you, but dave was my first vote and it was my last one, it's what matters in the end

[Gypyx]

I do think Gypyx would be the optimal lim today, and if Gypyx is Scum then Thomith is toast.

Does part of your confidence on scum!me come from thinking me being scum with thom is like a 2 for 1 deal

[Gypyx]

Like, i think you undervalue just how much syngery i have with thom

our vibes fit each other really well and i was actually considering to

Ask him out

see if he would be interested in hydraing one day

[Gypyx]

Ummm

has anyone made a compelling towncase on you???

[Gypyx]

like this post has so many holes i wanna poke at, do you realize that snow

[Gypyx]

Yes i said that, now i'm a human being not able to phrase every sentance to a perfect rhetorical level, what i meant is that even if you flip town, i'm not really interested enough in continuing to pursue scum in the hood

I never pushed for your lim, i never claimed i wanted full ownership of the town if i was wrong on you (if i am right though you bet i'll be insufferable about it) i have reasons for my town / scum slots, I am convinced i am right because i'm not seeing anything that disproves my views (again, where are the towncases) / I wanna direct things because i'm annoyed at how i've left day 1 slip through my fingers and i feel like i really helped ranger get limmed on day 2

I'm starting to think snow could be town for how much of a brick wall he's being

[Gypyx]

thomith help me

[Gypyx]

Basically yeah you two are like a discount bundle.

Odd and too good to be true.

meanwhile in the scum PT

"hey wanna be like the most obvious pairing ever?"

that shit just comes naturally nurse

Scum rarely wanna look odd, like, tell me the last time you've actually seen this kind of WIFOM in action from scum

also realize that if one of us is town the other probably is too

[Gypyx]

ok facebook

[Gypyx]

snow get in the hood please

we have to talk

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

Titus is at a 35% for me dawg

[Gypyx]

Yes me and thomith are masons

but not exactly masons

we are both Town Informed Neighbors, informed that the other one is town and knows they're town

does your comment imply you've figured us out earlier than that nurse?

[Gypyx]

RN is straight up doing morse code

[Gypyx]

my idea was that there was 2-3 scum and their goal was to pocket the hood members to gain as much time as possible

[Gypyx]

...

Let's kill one of them.

Nurse i get that you really want your SR to be true but it's not happening

[Gypyx]

your tunnel is also very bad for thread health, i hope you realize that

[Gypyx]

Keep trying to squirm out of it.

I can stop interacting with you if you prefer

[Gypyx]

anyways

me and thom were starting to feel like maybe snow is town actually

but i also don't feel like going and killing Titus is the move

Lycanfire was really rubbing me the wrong way actually, feels like he kinda has let things play out (to his benefit in a world where we're T/T)

[Gypyx]

the we being me / snow

[Gypyx]

do you feel like you're able to explain that reason soon or not?

And well, to be more exact, it felt like you've taken more of a passive roles, kinda letting people act for you and all that jazz

[Gypyx]

I could be convinced yeah

[Gypyx]

well only if there's nothing holding you back from revealing that ofc

[Gypyx]

the point is also that there's flithy non-masons intruding in our masonry

[Gypyx]

well uh

clearly there wasn't 0

[Gypyx]

i'll let gera explain

[Gypyx]

I could be convinced yeah

Ok. Whatcha need?

VOTE: Psyche

A reason to do that over Lycan, i guess that kinda happened on it's own

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Random Nurse

Could go Gera as well, both are refusing to unvote someone I know is town so..

Thom get off Nurse

yes he is extremely annoying but we have to deal with it

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Random Nurse

Could go Gera as well, both are refusing to unvote someone I know is town so..

That's adorable.

You say you know Gypyx is Town, but I don't know that. If you were both Scum masquerading as Town-Informed Neighbors of course you would try to protect each other. My gut is screaming that both of you are Scum, and once I sense blood in the water I DON'T let up.

Look Nurse

if we're both scum, it'll be very obvious we are when Massclaim rolls around since 2 masons is kind of a pretty big step up in power for town

[Gypyx]

but why is it

scummy

? he doesn't have your pov.

Because when Gypyx flips town, I 100% die next, since I will be confirmed at that point.

Random Nurse is actively working to remove two people who are sure of each other being town from the game, which is benefits scum.

WHO CARES if you die as Town?

Town doesn't GAF about self-preservation, and Informed Town Neighbors is a big pile of nothing when it comes to Town power.

this just in Masons is a useless role

[Gypyx]

but why is it

scummy

? he doesn't have your pov.

Because when Gypyx flips town, I 100% die next, since I will be confirmed at that point.

Random Nurse is actively working to remove two people who are sure of each other being town from the game, which is benefits scum.

WHO CARES if you die as Town?

Town doesn't GAF about self-preservation, and Informed Town Neighbors is a big pile of nothing when it comes to Town power.

this just in Masons is a useless role

Town-Informed Neighbors.

But now you're clarifying that your role PM says "Mason," Gypyx?

Masons are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

Me and Thomith are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

the word isn't there but i'm calling it that

[Gypyx]

Although from a game design standpoint I love this because it's fucking with my paranoia.

Are you Informed of any other neighbors like Titus/Snow?

I'm not informed of Titus/Snows alignment if that's your question.

The only thing I'm informed of is that Gypyx is town, and she knows that I am town.

Thought back on the claim and felt it was scummy as hell

didn't trust that letting the wave ride outside of ranger would land in us killing town

this was the height of my "3 scum in hood" theory and while i'm no longer really attached to it i still thought ranger would flip scum

[Gypyx]

but why is it

scummy

? he doesn't have your pov.

Because when Gypyx flips town, I 100% die next, since I will be confirmed at that point.

Random Nurse is actively working to remove two people who are sure of each other being town from the game, which is benefits scum.

WHO CARES if you die as Town?

Town doesn't GAF about self-preservation, and Informed Town Neighbors is a big pile of nothing when it comes to Town power.

this just in Masons is a useless role

Town-Informed Neighbors.

But now you're clarifying that your role PM says "Mason," Gypyx?

Masons are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

Me and Thomith are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

the word isn't there but i'm calling it that

But you're not, so don't. No free Towncred for you.

*sharpens nails*

Funnily enough i have the feeling having the word "mason" in my role PM wouldn't have changed your behaviour around me by a lot

[Gypyx]

Although from a game design standpoint I love this because it's fucking with my paranoia.

Are you Informed of any other neighbors like Titus/Snow?

I'm not informed of Titus/Snows alignment if that's your question.

The only thing I'm informed of is that Gypyx is town, and she knows that I am town.

Thought back on the claim and felt it was scummy as hell

didn't trust that letting the wave ride outside of ranger would land in us killing town

this was the height of my "3 scum in hood" theory and while i'm no longer really attached to it i still thought ranger would flip scum

Why did you wait so long though?

Why didn't you just give ahead and vote instead of waiting for Thomith to vote first? Is that correct or did I miss something on the timeline?

Didn't want scum titus / anyone else to unvote upon seeing ranger at E-1

this was basically a quickhammer

[Gypyx]

Congrats Nurse you win i'm scum, your task is now to convince the rest of the playerlist that i am

[Gypyx]

And for the thread's general curiosity i guess i'll say that titus sits at like a 25% to me rn

[Gypyx]

...

How much time was remaining before your quickhammer, Gypyx?

idfk

how about you go and check?

[Gypyx]

Hey Nurse

they asked for your permission to be put as the example picture in this article

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobby_tunneling

[Gypyx]

You have been going at it for 70 posts straight, uninterrupted

[Gypyx]

ooh burn

Me stumbling upon this article finally came in handy lol

[Gypyx]

You're scaring away the girls with your ramblings

i don't think we're creating a very sane thread basically

[Gypyx]

this thread is now dedicated to creating signature material

[Gypyx]

Elaborate on Oblivion please

it's a slot i've been getting wary about, i fear it's posting style just leads to looking town like that

[Gypyx]

Would it be too WIFOMY to believe scum likely don't do that to a partner that quickly?

I kinda wanna say yes but also i think that happened in that last dragon normal? (the micro)

[Gypyx]

Would it be too WIFOMY to believe scum likely don't do that to a partner that quickly?

I kinda wanna say yes but also i think that happened in that last dragon normal? (the micro)

after a quick check, nope

[Gypyx]

i am like unsubscribing from this thread for a day. can you believe ive been getting an email everytime someone posted here. why would i do that to myself

You have successfully been unsubscribed from the "Random Nurse fights Gypyx" newsletter

[Gypyx]

Allow me to do my best PenguinPower impression

*ahem*

more votes please !

[Gypyx]

Kay i'll ask you too, what are your reasons for TR'ing oblivion exactly?

[Gypyx]

i felt like PP kinda played as a caricature of himself

[Gypyx]

^^ you can counter this by being very bad at scum (not recommended)

[Gypyx]

I'm in a Dutch restaurant in Canada, where the menu is in English, and this is the only item listed in French.

The server corrected me when I asked for Viennese Coffee, insisting it was Viennois Coffee.

Spoiler: img

as this game's resident french person i can say invisting about viennois is weird and i love viennese coffee

[Gypyx]

insisting*

[Gypyx]

It is so lost reading these posts.

I would really love input from it though

[Gypyx]

Walk me through your gera scumread my dear best friend

[Gypyx]

dawn of the fourth day

[Gypyx]

Thoughts on doing a full massclaim?

I think that'd be a good idea right about now.

hard no again

[Gypyx]

How plausible is Snow/Titus/Ranger?

Spitballing here.

It's on the back of my mind but not really my main solve anymore

[Gypyx]

02) #45 did seem out of character for Scum Dave.

03) Could Scum Oblivion be distancing from Dave there?

i'm being more and more of a scum!oblivion belvier

[Gypyx]

02) #45 did seem out of character for Scum Dave.

03) Could Scum Oblivion be distancing from Dave there?

i'm being more and more of a scum!oblivion belvier

I see you trying to turn my head.

I will literally eat your fingers.

If it helps ease your mind snow / titus can confirm i've mentionned scumreading oblivion in the hood before that point

additionally, can't the scumteam be Psyche / Dave / Oblivion?

[Gypyx]

please don't massclaim holy fuck

[Gypyx]

pleasedon'tmassclaimpleasedon'tmassclaimpleasedon'tmassclaim

[Gypyx]

We are probably in a 12:3 world

that means it is VITAL to provide cover for the few power roles we have

[Gypyx]

Especially since having 2 masons is eating up a lot of our power budget

the last few roles are not gonna be enough to get us this W

[Gypyx]

Alright

me and my BEST FRIEND FOREVER thomith are eating up a lot of the town's power budget

[Gypyx]

the hood

[Gypyx]

Lycan is just adding fuel to the fire now

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lycan

[Gypyx]

not liking the angle Lycan is taking

[Gypyx]

And like

i think he's able to play better than this?

this looks like S/S theater or that's what Lycan is trying to make it look like

[Gypyx]

Fund scam

[Gypyx]

I guess but like, scum willow could also be very afraid for his life?

I just don't understeand Lycan's play rn

[Gypyx]

Kinda think it is all over Willow's ISO but i might just be reading with a biased worldview

i don't think him preclaiming VT is anything clearing either

[Gypyx]

and since Lycan is acting scummy ya kno

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Oblivion

Oblivion pivot anyone?

[Gypyx]

No, gera is being obvtown

[Gypyx]

da fuk gypyx
we need to consolidate asap

Psyche is just being town right now methinks

and i just don't like how oblivion has faded into the background while getting away with it because of towny-looking playstyle

[Gypyx]

so yeah, consolidate by joining me

[Gypyx]

i would be happy to do Lycan too but less confident on him

[Gypyx]

i'll need to check back on stuff but like, scum!gera wouldn't have that kind of willpower and confidence behind him imo

[Gypyx]

need to reread the oblivion ranger interactions ig

hu tao does seem to be a possibility?

kinda afraid to pivot onto a TPR

[Gypyx]

Brain goes hehe

[Gypyx]

Sorry my head's not there rn, maybe oblivion pivot wasn't the best idea

idk, sorry

[Gypyx]

VENGEFUL NEIGHBOUR

spicy

[Gypyx]

anyways i guess massclaiming today would be a wise idea

[Gypyx]

I had a burst of low energy yesterday so i couldn't check those oblivion / ranger interactions but i'm not convinced it couldn't have been theater

[Gypyx]

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue,

Hu Tao

Gypyx (2): geraintm,

Naerys

Hu Tao (1):

Ranger

Thomith (1):

Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

it kinda has to be a bus somewhere

[Gypyx]

or idk

maybe KJQ's big tirade about being lost and not understeanding things comes from scum actually?

[Gypyx]

Well at first i went "Shit what do i actually TR oblivion for" (especially considered both you and i got both burned by townlocking ausuka too much off of stuff that wasn't actions

then i thought back how i don't remember a lot of stuff it actually *did*, like, there's a lot of theorizing on it's own, but action was lacking

and yeah it kinda didn't take more? Like, maybe i'm overevaluating but i find that a lack of towny stuff on oblivion isn't null but rather scummy

will reread the interactions highlighted by obli

[Gypyx]

let's revisit that snow d1 wagon too now that he flipped

[Gypyx]

It was more of the people's reactions but sure, thanks

[Gypyx]

Greetings,

It has a major distaste for the idea that this thread was comfortable with putting a player at one vote to elimination prior to that player having ever posted. It is especially concerned with this from Dave, given that Dave was present for a quick hammer in quite literally a game that ended just yesterday. It feels like Dave can and should be more sensitive to that, and so must have truly wished to kill a player before a single post.

Dave, for what purpose?

for instance (was reading obv iso and this flashed up to me) this is a really weird post to open with considering the flips we've had now

[Gypyx]

Ah yes, Ranger is topping the post charts with such hit posts as "Yet another list of names in which they change the order slightly without commenting on what altered the order in any fashion, allowing them to appear to come to a natural conclusion when in reality it can be used as a way to cover their intentions".

It honestly thinks that there is no surprise in this user moving it towards the bottom of their rankings after it indicated it had no reason to work with them and no good will to give them. These "reads" feel like they are fabricated to suit an agenda, so it just doesn't buy what they are selling.

In other words, it strongly feels like Ranger replaced into a scumslot and decided "I am the best scum player in this game, I must visable effort and escape this, and then we'll win for sure!" and so now Ranger has been posting ad naseum to Counter Signal themselves as scum. "Look how town I am, I'm the only one providing content! Look how powerful and useful I am!" It just feels like we're watching them put on a performance for our benefit and not one that actually solves or does anything of note or interest. Nothing that can't be faked, no actual interrogation of any player on their thoughts, just a soulless catchup that contains exactly 0 indicators of what Ranger's thoughts are, so if they are asked anything they can simply fabricate, but the gamestate is apathetic and dead so they probably suspect no one is going to challenge them.

It is of the opinion these actions are the actions of scum with a goal, the goal it described above, and that town would have come in seeking to work with others and solve, even if they were going to die, and get other players back in the game.

In the end, Lycanfire at least showed some desire to engage with it. It struggles to do so, but Lycanfire clearly wants town cohesion and growth.

Ranger was told that this manner of playing was harming the town and simply barreled through, because their goal IS the apathy.

Like, it can see it already, right? Closed setup meams fake claims are more viable, if someone is scum they will near always claim something. It just doesn't see a world where Ranger claims something and it believes Town PR Ranger plays this way. Or Dave, for that matter. It was Dave play a PR in PYP, an important one. It doesn't think those align.

So for it, unless Ranger claims a provable power role (like an extra kill or a Cop) it has very little interest in believing them.

Honestly, with how they played, I’d have expected Dave to be more likely to have a PR than Ranger. But since they’re the same slot…who knows. I’m heavily leaning towards no PR though.

Don't get it wrong. It has no interest in killing Ranger without a claim, certainly there are worlds where it is wrong and Ranger claims a Vigilante kill for example? Something provable that we can hold them to, even if it doesn't make them town by design it can be used for town value. (Though scum vig feels really strong is that normal?)

Either way, it will kill anyone in the game who kills without such a claim.

It is just saying right now, should Ranger claim tracker or doctor or one shot commuter or something, it is killing them regardless.

(all these were made with ranger in the danger zone)

So ok, y'all have heard about too scummy to be scum, be prepared for too towny to be town

i'm ok with oblivion being good at the game

but this kind of mindreading on ranger + predicting the fakeclaim seems like too much?

[Gypyx]

Greetings,

It has a major distaste for the idea that this thread was comfortable with putting a player at one vote to elimination prior to that player having ever posted. It is especially concerned with this from Dave, given that Dave was present for a quick hammer in quite literally a game that ended just yesterday. It feels like Dave can and should be more sensitive to that, and so must have truly wished to kill a player before a single post.

Dave, for what purpose?

for instance (was reading obv iso and this flashed up to me) this is a really weird post to open with considering the flips we've had now

Do we think it would immediately throw a scumbuddy under the bus like this? Just to look like it was trying to solve?

It doesn't accuse dave of anything and doesn't end up creating actual pressure (especially in the post following up on that, it spins it as "this is a bad way to catch scum !" not "this is scum !")

and yes, i don't think it couldn't do that

Daveslot is also the only person to invoke such strong reactions from oblivion, i wonder why

[Gypyx]

Daveslot is also the only person to invoke such strong reactions from oblivion, i wonder why

oblivion did give some reasons for this in its post and at least the factual parts seem verifiable

Sorry could you elaborate on that one?

my point is that both ranger / davesaz got oblivion to react strongly, these are the only players to have caused this shift in oblivion

[Gypyx]

I guess i might be getting a little too attached to my oblivion SR

would love opinions on massclaiming once again, and perhaps who else even is scum

[Gypyx]

but idk like... that day, it kinda felt like ranger was fine with being limmed?

she did a lot of stuff that while it could be passed of as towny, was also goading people into wagoning her

[Gypyx]

that one point was because of the claim though right?

and also that's kinda my point? Like, that's what a well executed bus is supposed to look like, especially since it's not like ranger was in any way out of the woods, today she would've been under so much scrutiny

[Gypyx]

for clarity

but idk like... that day, it kinda felt like ranger was fine with being limmed?

she did a lot of stuff that while it could be passed of as towny, was also goading people into wagoning her

This is such a wild take, it literally cannot fathom this. Ranger entered and immediately tried to upend the game to save herself, and nearly succeeded being down to two people on her wagon at one point before it started hammering home the issue.

Do you really think if it comes in and declares "Ranger looks much more town than Dave" Ranger dies that day?

that one point was because of the claim though right?

and also that's kinda my point? Like, that's what a well executed bus is supposed to look like, especially since it's not like ranger was in any way out of the woods, today she would've been under so much scrutiny

[Gypyx]

As an example, this is its 125th post in this game. It has now been alive for 4 days.

Ranger was alive for less than one day, and this post will mark it finally catching up to her in post count.

The assertions that Ranger was okay with dying are so ludicrous to it, it's beyond its understanding.

Posting a lot doesn't = want to live

[Gypyx]

context?

Like, i think it's pretty universal that scum don't like to bus on a base level

But ranger came in a pretty rough slot, with no PRs flipped, surely, someone is going to have to go deep to win it, and, you know, there's oblivion right here who's already pretty TR'd...

especially, what i think is the most damning is ranger just claiming and... whoops, gone, zero capitalization on some people's reactions

[Gypyx]

enchant with the bangers

[Gypyx]

aight thread so actually i'll need your opinion on this

Enchant went in and claimed he was our traitor (me / thom), started half assing a bit of scum strategy talk

i'm calling out his bait, he doubles down and keeps up the talk

[Gypyx]

can't tell if this is town or scum

[Gypyx]

to be at MeLo this game would need to have 5 scum

[Gypyx]

I'm not pro mass claim but I think we should if we out a ""PR"". In my experience, popcorn tends to be the best way to go. Just be really aggressive with people and make them feel like holding up the process is the scumminess thing you could do.

we already have 2 PR's out (me / thom) and another dead

i think i like starting with oblivion

[Gypyx]

yeah?

[Gypyx]

Not really, i mean, maybe, it's complicated, will try to ask for clarification

[Gypyx]

Yeah no enchant's gonna have to claim in this thread to i think

[Gypyx]

they aren't being serious about it

[Gypyx]

i would like Kay to claim first, think it's something everyone would be ok with?

[Gypyx]

Thoughts on doing a full massclaim?

I think that'd be a good idea right about now.

hard no again

And

why

?

please don't massclaim holy fuck

Not massclaiming is stupid.

No good reason against it has been given.

Yeah, I'm going to give you all shit for being full of shit regarding mass-claiming. You were all against it last Day now suddenly a lightbulb goes off and "Oh, let's mass-claim." Ignoring me on this is not going to help you one bit.

reason : a day has passed

[Gypyx]

we also have half the players who are already claimed now

let's do the other half

[Gypyx]

Elaborate on what you're thinking?

[Gypyx]

Can you please chill out a bit Nurse, you're making it hard for me to keep interacting with you in a pleasant manner

i still think massclaiming yesterday wasn't the right move but also what's done is done, unless you think it's AI for me i'd prefer to stop discussing it

[Gypyx]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

[Gypyx]

Elaborate on what you're thinking?

Whether they could actually think they're doing anything useful.

I'm trying to think of why they'd do this.

1a)town, knows about the guidelines. waste of time.
1b)town, doesn't know about the guidelines. maybe useful.
2a)scum, knows about the guidelines. full on refuge in audacity.
2b)scum, doesn't know about the guidelines. either 2a or pretending to be 1b.

I mean, there's some basis behind it, i've mentioned traitorspec in the hood before, and in normals, mafia know there's a traitor but not who it is

but also it's very troll and enchant doing it for a prolonged period of time just means scum imo

[Gypyx]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

As Scum you would do this to avoid scrutiny and responsibility.

Silence will not help you I promise you that.

As a mafia player i'm doing this cause you're oversteping the line and i do not wish to play with someone who thinks willingly creating a toxic game environnement is an acceptable practice

[Gypyx]

it's how popcorn works yeah

[Gypyx]

enchant made a claim in the sense that he said "yeah that would be my fakeclaim"

[Gypyx]

i don't think enchant wants to get serious

[Gypyx]

starting to see a pattern here

[Gypyx]

can't wait for RN to still say we could be scum

[Gypyx]

I will bite you.

[Gypyx]

Random Nurse - VT
Gypyx - Best Friend Neighbor
Oblivion - VT
geraintm - VT
KayJayQueue - VT
Enchant - Neighbor
Psyche - VT
Thomith - Best Friend Neighbor
Lycanfire - VT

[Gypyx]

i guess what we learned from this massclaim is that maybe me / thom are actually town and not scum fakeclaiming

woah

who woulda thunk

[Gypyx]

2 scum left and 9 players

we have 4 lims

Me / Thom are town

Although i'd love to do a vig shot on nurse, that slot's just town

we need to agree on 2 more townies in {KJQ / gera / obli / psyche / enchant / lycan}

[Gypyx]

i would personally argue that gera is very probably town

Psyche's EoD yesterday also felt really good, but that's a read i'm less confident on

[Gypyx]

and for my next magic trick i'll turn gera into an innocent child !

(when i get around to it)

[Gypyx]

on the planet where

Town Vengeful Neighbor
Town Neighbor
10VT
Mafia Neighbor x3

is never a setup that gets approved

Like, and this goes for anyone, if you sincerely belive thom and i could be lying you need to stop playing normals and limit yourself to the open queue

[Gypyx]

yeah i'm pretty sure we're just in a 12:3 setup

[Gypyx]

this setup would be unbalanced if you took out two VTs

pedit : also yeah, fuck yeah gera keep showing us you're town

[Gypyx]

it's actually really useful for weighing possibilities like gypyx/thomith being in a team with ranger

what's "it"?

[Gypyx]

while it doesn't mean my opinions is the absolute truth, as a member of the NRG, i think i would pass the setup with everything that is claimed with a 3 person scumteam, regardless of enchant's alignement

[Gypyx]

yeah

[Gypyx]

could start by engaging w reasoning about why we all think it's not thomith/gypyx

I would appreciate if this thread's energy wad directed at something else than if the two obvious townies are actually town

[Gypyx]

Why is random nurse fine

I think nurse is just like, kinda obviously town? Or at least he managed to trick himself into forgetting he's scum really hard

[Gypyx]

Random Nurse - VT
Gypyx - Best Friend Neighbor
Oblivion - VT
geraintm - VT
KayJayQueue - VT
Enchant - Neighbor
Psyche - VT
Thomith - Best Friend Neighbor
Lycanfire - VT

Can someone explain what the most likely breakdown is in terms of “balance” for this (claimed) game? What are we looking for? 2 or 3 more scum? Or whatever, traitor.

Do the not-masons have a read on what exactly Enchant could be? Does anyone else?

Are we done looking at the hood?

Does anyone actually believe Thom/Gypyx are scum running a long con? (I don’t)

Who is everyone’s most “town” read? Not including the besties, I’d rather get opinions on anyone else.

I think enchant could very well be scum

we are probably only looking for 2 more scum, doubt there's a traitor

Enchant is strongly under my suspicion

actually yeah VOTE: Enchant

[Gypyx]

well someone has to be scum and it's not me and it's not gypyx and it's not thomith and it's not me and it's not RN and it's not oblivion and it's not lycanfire and it's not me. so who is it gera??

i think you're misclearing Lycan / Oblivion

[Gypyx]

not saying they're scum just like, the sus isn't too warranted

also enchant latching so hard onto Lycan's perceived "slip" gives me big scum vibes

[Gypyx]

well, uh, next day *probably* isn't ELo given that we've established the setup should be 12:3

[Gypyx]

Not a fan of this brand of fearmongering also

[Gypyx]

well, uh, next day *probably* isn't ELo given that we've established the setup should be 12:3

What are your thoughts on it possibly being 11:4 if one of them is a Traitor?

Enchant would be that traitor imo

[Gypyx]

well, uh, next day *probably* isn't ELo given that we've established the setup should be 12:3

What are your thoughts on it possibly being 11:4 if one of them is a Traitor?

Enchant would be that traitor imo

Who was the first person to mention traitor in the hood btw? I forgot if you said earlier in the thread. Was it you/Thom or someone else?

I was the first to bring up the idea of traitors.

I mentioned that the last 15p with a hood had a scum member and a traitor member.

Does that explain why we are all just vanilla outside of the hood? Did that game have PRs only in the hood? Should we assume Titus is something (not necessarily traitor) or is that dumb to think everyone in the hood has to be something. I would think it’s almost more of a liability to town to have all power in a small pool of players that might get limmed based on Poe/“has to be one of them right?”

What are you cooking Kay

[Gypyx]

managed to summon willpower, gonna take a look at gera

[Gypyx]

VOTE: dave
Come on, we can do it this time!

btw gera could you explain what the associated text means with that post? my read on you depends on it

[Gypyx]

actually ooooh got sidetracked gonna check out something

[Gypyx]

it's like seeing something shiny on the road, might be a penny

[Gypyx]

basically, scum's nightkilling seems like they wanted to

kill people who were pushing ranger

, this is either in an attempt to save ranger (pretty unsuccessful, but would mean that ranger was the only scumslot in danger) or they were planning for ranger to die and were thinking that there would be a lot of people cleared in advance by associatives, Jackson and Hu Tao were largely non factors, but both pushed on Ranger!slot the hardest, snow too could be called like that

conclusions?

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

NotAScum (EXECUTED): Thomith, Titus, PenguinPower, Naerys, geraintm, Random Nurse, davesaz, Gypyx

davesaz (4):

Hu Tao, Snow2697

, Little Will o' Wisp,

NotAScum

Little Will o' Wisp (1): KayJayQueue
PenguinPower (1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (1): Oblivion

With 15 players alive, it took 8 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

Lycan is very probably town due to this pattern

this is a very VCA oriented way of nightkilling, likewise, Titus is a very VCA oriented person, and it kinda weirded me out to not see her put more of an effort on it? (yes vote enchant more)

Spoiler: list of unsorted quotes to detail my point

I’m a lil shocked nobody is coming after my ass considering how little I’ve posted compared to usual

I’ll come after your ass

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Why do you refuse to vote dave?

I don't understand why people are really voting NAS. If the purpose is to get information and then take the game from there, this is not the most helpful lime for me. And largely irrelevant.
My pick is Naerys, but it is largely based on her playstyle. And I see comments that she can be town.
I would rather lim one of Gypyx-Thomith-Titus-geraintm-Little Will o' Wisp-PenguinPower-Dave who were on a speedwagon vs me. I think there are at least 2 scums there. My preference here would be:

VOTE: Davesaz

Not too late for dave

Maybe.

VOTE: Dave

VOTE: Dave

If you all would like to eliminate scum today, that would be great

OK.

VOTE: Dave

jackson is a bit of the odd one out, but he probably was somewhat "safe" shot since it was hard to get anything from it

[Gypyx]

maybe planning is an incorrect word but like, expecting