Daniel Anix Presents: The 20th Anniversary of UPick Game

[The Cabal]

UNVOTE:

Thinking.

-Bell

[The Cabal]

Why can’t HEM be another blind side?

-Bell.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think the person who WePick is claiming to have redirected them should claim. If the person doesn't exist, WePick is confirmed to be lying. I think I'm the easiest miselimination right now, as I'm the only one outside of ITF's wagon (though I was there in spirit) and if Wepick is scum, I'm the person to push. I don't think town!WePick extracts information from my slot twice if they've already have before, and I think if scum!WePick makes any other plays (claim information about someone else) then it's less likely for them to gather votes because they'll be alienating another slot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If town, WePick is definitely overselling their confidence in my slot. I'm thinking how eleven hydra heads just decide to do that, so I'm thinking that it's just a very confident and charismatic person leading the charge. If the rest of the game townreads me then they should at least flip WePick first so they can decide for themselves how valuable their results are once they read their flip. I guarantee you it's going to be a nothingburger.

[humaneatingmonkey]

well, jjh is there as well but I think WePick is already positioning against them here after I flip

Red always mafia

I will take you activating delinquent AniX again as a scumsiding 3p claim, btw. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that donning the red crown will make delinquent AniX scum.

[WePick]

Why can’t HEM be another blind side?

-Bell.

I dunno. Let's ask.

HEM, are you a reflexive randomized redirector who also doesn't update the target name in a results PM and has to lie about your role?

~Jingle

[humaneatingmonkey]

tell me you're cheesing fam

[Lukewarm]

B-Jingle,

If you got a result that looked like a guilty on zefiend, does that imply that whoever you redirected onto is guilty?

You not being able to claim is annoying.

[The Cabal]

B-Jingle,

If you got a result that looked like a guilty on zefiend, does that imply that whoever you redirected onto is guilty?

You not being able to claim is annoying.

Maybe I should just stop posting, and let ffery and bell carry us.

Jesus Christ.

[The Cabal]

jjh was your n2 action a targeting action? I can't figure out if it would be classified that way, since your only choice was whether to use it.

[jjh927]

I would have to ask

Is it relevant?

[jjh927]

Based on 802 I don't think HEM understands the nature of the guilty being claimed here and you may be catching some of that

[jjh927]

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

[The Cabal]

I would have to ask

Is it relevant?

It could be relevant to our Oracle-ish result from Night 3.

I'll go ahead and reveal it. On Night 1 and Night 2 the night actions all targeted the same player.

Except for zefiend on the second night.

Our oracle ability doesn't target specific players. It's about the game state so our action doesn't tell us anything about who others targeted N1 and N2. But there might be some value for town in knowing who was targeted those two nights. And why they might have been targeted by the admin aligned player.

[jjh927]

Are those two separate statements

ie, on night 1 all actions targeted the same player, and on night 2 all actions targeted the same player (who could be different from the night 1 player)

[jjh927]

Essentially on N2 it's just an all roads lead to rome situation where zefiend randomly redirected to me and I redirected to AniX, although with that being said I was under the impression that I would redirect each individual action that showed up on me and that by my understanding of the way the actions resolve AniX shouldn't actually have been killed

[jjh927]

Since it might interest some people, I'll muse a bit more on that latter topic

Zefiend targets WePick with the redirect, and I am randomly selected
At this point, I believe I am a second target of Zefiend. And I think this would be where my role triggered and I am informed I have been targeted, and am given the chance to redirect to AniX.

Scumbutt targets WePick with the nightkill and gets redirected
WePick targets Zefiend with whatever cool ability they have and are also redirected

Ultimately, everything except zefiend ends up on AniX. Thing is, I was only given the redirect decision once so logically I must have redirected the redirect. Which means the other two actions- the kill and the wepick thing - were both redirected by Zefiend, but NOT by me, which I think is a meaningful distinction based on my role PM

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We are 100% sure of HEM scum today.

who is we in this statement

which players in your hydra endorse this statement

[WePick]

We are 100% sure of HEM scum today.

who is we in this statement

which players in your hydra endorse this statement

I do. Jingle does. Mirage does. Everyone else SHOULD if they're paying attention.

- Rat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I need one post each from Firebringer, Gypyx, and Doctor Drew

[WePick]

The funny thing is, we don't even need our own reasons for it to be apparent that HEM is scum. Even just his posting here is enough.

D1, basically everyone thought he was sketchy because of interactions Re:Cabal
D2, there's no kill and he immediately starts spinning up bullshit about ITF's personal ability being the factional kill. Regardless of why there wasn't a kill N1, that's a bit of an odd conclusion to jump to, is it not? He also expresses concern about his flavor being known, while we have confirmation from AniX that flavor influences alignment.
D3, he gets a free pass because a negative utility red herring role does its job and the day ends basically immediately.
D4, he finally claims, as The Red Crown. AniX tells us like picks are likely to be aligned. ITF's role was The Color Red. Notice any glaring similarities here?

And also... who else even COULD be scum here? The Cabal is cleared by Skygazer, who flipped blue. Dannflor's alignment technically isn't confirmed, but the ability is heavily implied to be from Skygazer's information lining up, and it feels like a very Town role. jjh got targeted by a kill. So that leaves Pooky, us, and HEM. We can afford to just go down the list at this point.

6:1 mislim HEM > 4:1 mislim us > 2:1 > Whoever's left, eliminate Pooky.

But actually it's even safer than that! As long as no one votes for Dannflor, no night actions happen, meaning no kills, meaning two extra days. HEM is claiming the ability to make himself unblockable, so he should get top priority here to prevent him bypassing Dannflor's prohibition.

Any questions that aren't baiting us to break restriction?

- Rat

[jjh927]

Just to clarify, I didn't actually get directly targeted by a kill because zefiend was implausibly telling the truth

[jjh927]

The slot that is cleared by being targeted by a kill is actually you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The slot that is cleared by being targeted by a kill is actually you

who?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i havent really paid attention to the mech at all lol