Mirth: can you explain your thought?
Or since you have re-read twice (at least?) I will
ask FL for a deadline
, and then you will post what you really think?
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Kor: Call it PoE, call it setup speculation, call it reading Tajo (who hey, after the game is over we can ask him why he did crazy interaction/vote no lynch, etc. but... unless you want to tell me that tajo really was scum and that it is a godfather SK now, I am taking Tajo's flip as 'town' and that he 'may' have a point/not everything he said is a lie), considering Farside more, etc.
At any rate, it all comes down to Mirth, her doc claim, her interaction, etc.
regardless of scum or town alignment, players should play to win.
You may take KK going after Mirth as 'scummy', ok.
I take Mirth's recent actions as scummy.
If I hadn't voted Mirth to L-1, she most likely would go after you Kor since you were 'unconfirmed'. But I trust/believe you and your role so I did vote to give you that.
Mirth has already said previously that KK didn't seem scummy to her (back during tajo's lynch, re-reads, etc.). I eliminate you (kor) from the pool of suspects, Mirth says she sees nothing on KK (again after re-read) and so she says that she thinks I (Corv) am scum.
PoE? Reasons? None said yet and I'm keeping my vote on her and asking for deadline until Mirth plays in a way that I can see whether she is town playing to win or scum playing to win.
Currently, she is scum playing to win.
My thinking in previous days was that it would be 'impossible' for Mirth to be scum since, I made several assumptions (which Tajo has pointed out) and stepping back, I can see Mirth as being scum.
My impression/thought of Mirth was that she was intelligent, thoughtful, etc. etc. and that the NK actions were really... really stupid. If Mirth was on the scumteam would she have allowed or advocated those NK choices?
I thought "no", and that, along with seeing Crazy-Farside-Tajo as the scumteam, her doc claim, interaction, etc. had me convinced.
But now I *know* we are dealing with a godfather for sure, something that was just hypothetical before (to me at least, not tajo). With 2 cops with NK resistance, the game *can* be broken if we figure our sanities out and trust each other, unless there is a godfather-lylo situation (like now).
So godfather and NK actions with a view of the Godfather making it into lylo, then it begins to make sense.
The millers were all 'true', the cops claimed and didn't kill each other, etc.
Scum killed both 'normal' millers two nights in a row... why? I thought it was silly since it reduces the number of suspects (since miller could never be confirmed by cops) and it resulted in my Farside investigation -> guilty.
So i was thinking, huh, weird/stupid scum. but then farside in her 'final posts' says/does
1. " we should have gone after a cop"
2. vote Mirth, misrepresent vote count.
The first tells me that this isn't "it just happened" but that it was discussed/planned; the second is Farside attempting to mislead us based on her lynch. -> i.e. Mirth-scum.
Crazy got bussed. At what point did Crazy get bussed and when did his scum mates decide to hang him to let him dry? SC-Mirth-Farside all went after Crazy (as did you and I kor), what was said and done?
Kor said Crazy-thief-miller 'breadcrumb' was crap. Farside posts and agrees and votes Crazy... but... this is after several players had said it was crap.
Mirth goes after Farside for this. Why? Farside had Mirth as scum but due to Electra? Electra flipping town? Why did Farside drop Mirth as suspect, or better yet, she goes further in her post #141.
"Doc makes sense, Crazy's fakeclaim is crap compared to Mirth's."
When called on it, she backs off again. Crazy is lynched, I investigate Farside and get a guilty result. She says she is town, scum must have a roleswitching, etc. etc. blah blah, and then "it confirms Mirth" (post #155) since there can't be godfather.
Farside comes more into impending implosion, votes mirth, alters votecount, etc. and dies. Further reading of Mirth-Farside is a point that Tajo has made which I actually believe.
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and then we come to now. Mirth picks me as being 'scum'. Why? She hasn't said yet. Why not?
Assuming it isn't due to lack of time, it is because I may be 'scummier'/crazier than KK but there are various aspects (which I consider of larger weight) which point to me being town.
Mirth would have to argue that I was scum with Crazy-Farside, and that I would bus/lynch Crazy, say no to no lynch, vote Crazy, and then 'claim' I investigated Farside (the only 100% proven scum) in order to get her lynched (read Farside's posts again for how she didn't expect/see it coming and her slip).
and then on "top" of that, if I was scum, then I would have had to fakeclaim everything from early day 1, claim NK resistant cop, etc. etc. and then it begs the question of, if I was scum and planning this incredibly elaborate cop claim (I didn't, I have my PM!) then why wouldn't I claim innocent on my scumbuddies?
You could argue that I didn't know if people would accept me and I wouldn't want to claim investigating scumbuddy if I did get lynched, but that would only apply to Crazy. What about Farside? I could claim I got innocent on Farside, and then lynch Tajo for his Crazy-buddiness link and it was lylo so hey, that would have been game if I was scum.
but I'm not, it didn't happen, farside was lynched, and if I really was scum (godfather as well since Kor got 'guilty' on me) and planning on winning in lylo, then why would I try (for which Kor dislikes me) my mindgame play when I could have simply proceeded with:
"Cor -> "I got a guilty on Farside. She is today's lynch. $$$"
Farside is lynched.
I would have farside's lynch, godfather, cop claim, etc. to "hide behind", so Cor-scum doesn't care what 'town' does since it won't result in his own lynch so Cor just sits and waits while everyone else dies."
Then there is the point of whether Kor being alive is good or not for me and (sorry Kor), why he is alive at all?
ScumGF versus 2 cops in lylo would be gg, so scum have to take someone with them to lylo (Mirth/KK together). That has happened, but then, do we need two cops?
From scum's point of view, the more the better since more 'suspects' to see and still lylo. Indeed, KK and Mirth did view Kor this way earlier. But then I (yay for insanity) voted Mirth to L-1 and 'proved' that Kor can't be scum (if you are Kor, I don't think I could forgive you!
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So... Mirth claims that I am scum, and that I went to confirm Kor in order to reduce the # of suspects... why would I do that since, if I was scum, it would give the chance/possibility that I might be 'discovered'.
I could go on (and have probably gone far too long) but I can only post once every 2 days or so and I really think Mirth is it. Her saying that I am scum makes me feel very definite on this point, especially since she hasn't (or won't?) say why she thinks so or how it could all magically make sense.
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And, if she was town... just because KK may not look/be scummy (or scummier than me I guess), you (Mirth) could go after him anyway, see how he reacts/responds, get more reads from him and then make a decision (and hey, i promise to read whatever you both say).
Instead, you (Mirth) go after me? With no analysis, posts, reasons? I see you as scum clutching at straws since I am a cop.
C
