Phoe wrote:i'm voting him because his posts are long.
Yet, this has been part of my style since I started truly playing.
And voting someone based off of a reason that is NOT scum hunting is incredibly scummy itself, for you are voting (in an attempt to get a lynch) someone for reasons other than scum hunting, for reasons other than a pro-town player's win condition.
because his arguments are all over the place.
Name a game where this is not true.
I dare you to.
EVERYONE makes scattered arguments in EVERY game.
I can give COUNTLESS links to back this argument up.
Can you give one?
the only thing he's left to claim now is doctor or mafia.
Nah, I already claimed mafia, mafia lyncher-jester with Zoraster as my target--remember that?
Seriously, though, I claimed lyncher. That's what I am.
I claimed Red as my target. That's because he is.
I strongly believe those who absolutely refuse to believe my target claim, despite the evidence, want to set up a Red Coyote lynch in the future, for they don't want three semi-clears, and as long as I am around, I will prevent Red from being lynched.
his claim of us finding half the scum in all the accusations he's made - makes it easy to claim that when he's accusing half of the active players
The accusations are well-founded, and have solid reasoning behind them.
To ignore them is to ignore a player who has stated his pro-town intentions, whose post count and post length accurately reflects his devotion to the game.
Which is incredibly scummy to do.
his insistence on mason recruiters
They're pretty much my best hope of winning, if they exist--why wouldn't I hope they do?
his "guess" at being a N1 vig target
That's no guess.
If I were alive at the end of day 1, the best course of action would be to vig me during the night (or lynch me the next day, or dayvig me tomorrow, etc.).
this is conjecture at best.
It is me stating my opinions on the game freely.
For I am neither town nor scum, and have no need to fear the consequences.
So, I say what is on my head.
While I am pro-town in intention, I am anti-town in role. And that means that I will say whatever I wish to, in order to hopefully get the town to listen to me.
serves as rolefish bait at best
I AM A LYNCHER.
WHAT POSSIBLE MOTIVATION DO I HAVE TO ROLEFISH?!?
Seriously,
I ASK FOR HARD CLAIMS of this kind of thing. If there's a psychiatrist, if there's a mason recruiter, for them to SAVE ME.
Why would I do it the hard way?
Rolefish?
When I can just flat-out say it?
unnecessary fluff at worst.
No.
It serves as setup discussion.
Desperately needed info.
Setup discussion (especially gamebreaking kinds) is vital for the town, for it provides them with opinions on what they're up against:
What enemies do they face?
My speculation and theories on roles I view as valuable.
I've done it before, and I will do it again. For I view it as pro-town to do so.
people who have said discussion is good, it gives information... well, after killing Mastin and after the resolution of all night actions, if you can't get information from analysing his interaction after that (from over 5 pages of content solely from Mastin) - then it strikes me that your hypothesis is unfounded.
But you get MORE information if I am NOT lynched.
where/when do you draw the line between discussion and distraction?
Distraction--
Fluff (my early posts), spam.
I've done neither in recent times.
Anything else is discussion.
how much do you need to sift through - to get information?
Everything.
Anyone who ignores ANYTHING is overlooking something that might be a CRUCIAL piece of information.
So every player should look at EVERYTHING, just in case. The more information, the better.
And the way to get the most information is to read everything.
do you expect to crack the game on day 2?
No. I expect to crack the game on day
one
.
is this even a game?
This is a philosophical question--mafia's a way of life to some, yet is "just a game" to others.
If you meant this particular game...
Then, yes, nothing can make it NOT a game.
is it some boring scientific analysis?
Boring?
No.
Scientific?
Yes.
Psychology,
Facts,
Metagaming,
Scum tells,
Town tells,
Statistics,
etc.
All science, if looked at in the correct angle.
play it.
I am. This is how I play. (I haven't had this much fun since 735/742 when defending my cop claim. The thrill of defending oneself from attacks is the best part of the game, precisely why I do it so often.)
don't flog the fun out of it.
What defines "fun"?
There's no correct answer.
So I submit that this point is not truly valid, for there's no way to judge "fun", and if it is "flogged out".
i will be voting azhrei tomorrow.
Interesting. Az is one of the more pro-town players, here.
One who is actually listening to logic, and is seeing my points.
OP wrote:Recruiters and psychiatrists aren't that common.
I didn't know what a JOAT was until recently due to how rare it is, and lynchers aren't common, yet alone, a lyncher who can't win 'til day two.
Face it:
This setup has unusual roles.
Not sure why you are holding onto the small SMALL chance that you will be recruited.
Because I have nothing else to cling onto, OP.
I can't win as it is.
Unless the mod incorporated a hidden win condition where I can win with the town if both I, and my target (Red) are dead, this is all I have to cling to.
Would you rather just have me curl up into a ball and die?
You wish.
I fight until after the lynch.
I maintain 'til death my roleclaims.
I insist, even after being hammered, that my claim is true when I'm scum.
And as a lyncher, this would be no different. I'll fight until after I'm lynched, that my lynch was not the best course of action, and that Red Coyote is semi-clear via being my target, yet no player here is truly clear.
As for the vig, why CAN'T the vig lynch you?
Because any true vig would shoot an anti-town role any day and try to lynch scum, instead of lynch an anti-town role and try to shoot scum.
If they don't, then they're not playing well as a vig.
It would only cast doubt on their claim later on, for I am sure others believe the same as I do, and to go against it would be to put themselves in a very bad situation, possibly leading to their mislynch.
They can lynch you, and their is still a possibility, if they use their powers, that they'll vig a mafia member (even though vigging a townie is higher, looking at the numbers).
Vigging at night is always riskier than lynching during the day. A lynch has many supporters, of which, a maximum of one third would be scum, in most games.
A vig has one supporter, with the maximum of zero scum. But when they have to claim, they will have to answer for any and all actions they have taken.
Your argument is that we an hunt for scum day 1 instead of lynching you
And I stand by this as being the correct course of action.
well, isn't that the vig's job?
The vig's job is to shoot anti-town players. If they have one 100% guaranteed anti-town player, that's the shot they take.
To hunt down scum
This is the town's job.
I've played, town often mislynch day 1, instead of catching scum.
7-for-7 fallacy, anyone?
Seriously, it has happened before, but it doesn't mean it'll happen again.
I think that, with the opportunity to get rid of confirmed anti-town person - Mastin - we should take it straight away.
And I've, several times, stated why I think we should take the risk of lynching scum today, and leave me to the hounds of night one, but if I somehow survive to tomorrow, we lynch me then, or leave me alive, for I claimed my target and am harmless due to it.
Mastin dies, is revealed (what we know already) that he is a lyncher. No new info, no. But so what?
So, INFORMATION IS WHAT
TOWN NEEDS THE
MOST
!
People will be night killed most likely, and we'll get that info.
Which we ALSO get if we lynch someone ELSE day one.
Isn't ANYONE listening to that part of my argument?
But we'll be one step ahead, with a lyncher gone
We would have night one.
We would have day two.
If my target is believed (I've given all I can to support that Red is my target. At least for metagaming purposes, in the future, please keep this in mind, people:
I WON'T LIE WHEN I AM OUTED AS ANTI-TOWN!), I'm left alive for longer.
If not,
Well,
then I die day two.
We'd be no steps further ahead by lynching me today than we would be by leaving me alive, OP.
and day 2, we won't have to worry about all that, and can focus primarily on finding and lynching mafia.
We can do this today--
Why wait?
We might not even have a vig.
Again--
In a setup of this size?
Please.
We have a vig.
And if there's a sk, they'll fake as a vig.
There is even a bigger chance we don't have a psychiatrist or a recruiter.
One night.
That's all I ask for to test this.
One night.
That too much to ask for when I can't win day one?
I don't think Mastin thinks that we do either.
I HOPE we do.
He is trying to make it one more day, one trick at a time. He knows we're better off getting rid of him now.
If I believed we were better off without me today, I'd vote for myself and end the day.
I don't.
I likely have to leave, now; be back as soon as possible with yet more.
