zu 668 wrote:Yes, but doesn't this contradict what you said of "Mastin's lynch gives us no information"? Can't you see that a Mastin lynch would give us information?
I agree with you, but that's not what I meant by information. The information of a flip of an unknown quantity is invaluable to the town, more important than the information of a bandwagon.
If you ask me this is currently just a vote based on game theory, I can honestly see some merit in both positions of the issue. Granted, I would contend that there are probably scum on the Mastin wagon trying to appear as though they care about this town, but in reality I have no way of determining who is and who isn't following this precept in a way that I would if we were lynching based on a set list of scumtells.
zu 668 wrote:I jsut said that at the point where mastin made the list, regardless of when it was actually made, you should have been beenb labeled a lurker.
Well, I had made three posts by then, including one just a few hours prior to when Mastin made the list, so, no, I don't think I could've been labeled as a lurker at the time Mastin made the list.
zu 668 wrote:I never said that the person who hamemrs Mastin is town. You are putting words in my mouth. I just said that they weren't more likely scum than anyone else.
I still think the hammer is a null tell, and you have not explained to me why it is not.
Do you or do you not agree with the principle that scum want shorter days? Especially when we (almost) know that the person being lynched is not scum. If you don't agree, then the hammer isn't going to be a tell to you in most scenarios anyways, and I'll drop the issue.
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hewitt 670 wrote:Don't be so worried about what you think other players' will think of your actions and do what you think is right.
I commend players for having the courage to change their mind if they think they're in the wrong, but there is a fine line between that and being afraid to take a stand. I'm worried ryan may be trying to
appear
reasonable.
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Caboose 677 wrote:Well, using that logic, why are we trying to lynch scum at all?
Why bother scumhunting when we have a Lyncher who can't win alive?
Caboose 685 wrote:BTW, Azhrei will be getting my vote tomorrow, as he is also scum.
Lining up lynches as well. Hmm, this is interesting.
Maybe we can just save the time and plan all of our lynches ahead of time, it's not as though any new information will come up that might change the circumstances or anything like that...
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Nanook 690 wrote:If I recall correctly, you're now the second person to make that statement regarding voting for Azhrei.
You're right Nanook, both Caboose and Phoebus are planning tomorrow's lynch today.
Nanook 690 wrote:Has anyone considered that there may be masons in the game who can't recruit?
No one is saying Mastin will become a Mason for sure, no one is saying that.
The idea is that scum are a bigger threat at this stage of the game than a Lyncher who can't win today, wouldn't you agree with that at least?
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zora 697 wrote:Oh, my best guess is that if we have Masons at all, they cannot recruit. However, it's been listed as a primary reason for keeping Mastin alive today, so I'm going to talk about it some.
By whom? Who said that it was the "primary reason" for leaving Mastin alive? No one is banking on Mastin being a town-sided role tomorrow, that's just one possibility.
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Kise 718 wrote:Thanks, but you came a little too late.. I saw some of Mastin's post and they made my head hurt.. Good God, does every single post have to be so spaced out[?]
Welcome. Is this the reason why you are voting Mastin?
Kise 726 wrote:Do we really need to keep a 3rd party alive until he's possibly converted?
Do we really need to waste our lynch on a player who cannot win today?
Kise 726 wrote:If we could vote for a No Lynch, I'd be cool with that, honestly.
This would be even worse than voting Mastin, in my opinion.
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OP 727 wrote:People are voting Mastin for legitimate reasons, that you continue to ignore.
The only reason he's being voted is because he's not town. I have a feeling a few of the people on the Mastin wagon just really aren't interested in getting information for the town, because they'd rather waste time on what should be a non-issue.
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Kise 732 wrote:What kind of scumhunting can we do if Mastin is just going to be the central focus of everyone's post? By lynching him, we can eliminate all distraction and move on. If you have anything better to offer, please say so soon.
I've got an idea, we use our lynch to gather information, and possibly hit a scum role in the process, as it was intended, rather than waste it on a Lyncher who can't win today.
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hewitt 733 wrote:As for the legitimate reasons I think most players on the Mastin wagon are convincing themselves that there's no need to do anything else today when there's a lot more that they can focus on.
Agreed, 100%.
Either convincing themselves or trying to convince others. Players like zora, OP, and any other loud players are taking advantage of the opportunity to rally the less active players around a "safe" lynch in order to prevent the possibility that the town actually make proper use of its lynch.
