Mini 765 - Welcome to Hambargarville GAME OVER!!

[hambargarz]

VOTE COUNT

(5) SerialClergyman (billssabresyanks, X, yellowbunny, Kreriov, Sajin)

Not voting
Ojanen, SerialClergyman, MichelSableheart

[hambargarz]

"But I'm townie, I swear" yells SerialClergyman. "Lynch him, Lynch him" chant the mafia with the town behind them.

SerialClergyman has been lynched day 3. He was a

townie

Mafia wins in the end game!

[yellowbunny]

Crap.

Will you be posting who was what?

[SerialClergyman]

So I guess this means that masons were legit and the other 3 are scum?

Anyways, can't blame others for failing to convince, that was me just not having the words, unfortunately. But the quick voting from the town despite people saying to hold off - it's just not a good option There's no rush.

[qwints]

Dammit. What a waste.

[Sajin]

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/pg7xZ4ewQisxc

Was there a doctor? Just curious.

[qwints]

gg mafia!

[yellowbunny]

@Serial: Yup, I was really a mason.

Okay, a few questions for you:

1. Was Kreiov really your top suspect for today? Or was it us?
2. Were you really testing the waters for a mason lynch at the start of D2 cuz you were suspicious?
3. Why did you keep pushing the WIFOM? That is what convinced me you were scum.

[hambargarz]

I must admit, the cop kill N1 really helped out the mafia
Well played Mafia, a perfect win with all mafia members alive.

[yellowbunny]

Well played, X, Sajin, and Kreiov.

[Sajin]

2 masons and a cop versus a roleblocker and 2 goons.

[yellowbunny]

Also, extremely nice maneuvering not NKing Bills or I sooner. Although I think if I had more vocal partners, things would have gone better on d2 (two people defending, plus less suspicion from town on masons).

[qwints]

qwints - Is doing marvelously compared to what he usually does. If anyone has any knowledge of his meta, they'll know he's town.

Thanks X! - this may be the best reason for being night killed ever!

[SerialClergyman]

1. Was Kreiov really your top suspect for today? Or was it us?
2. Were you really testing the waters for a mason lynch at the start of D2 cuz you were suspicious?
3. Why did you keep pushing the WIFOM? That is what convinced me you were scum.


1. Yeah, it was really Kreriov, at the start of the day.

2. Absolutely. I was suspicious the entire Day 2. If I could do it again, I would try to give thei mpression even more strongly than I did that the masons were CONFIRMED TOWN and we'd go to our death with that knowledge. That would have forced a NK. You were really, really defensive thorught the entire thread, whenever someone quesitoned you you immediately declared them scummy, and I took that the wrong way.

3. I think you need to go have a look at what WIFOM is. You're defining it very tightly for yourself and loosely for others.

[Sajin]

Also, extremely nice maneuvering not NKing Bills or I sooner. Although I think if I had more vocal partners, things would have gone better on d2 (two people defending, plus less suspicion from town on masons).

I completely expected masons to lead on ML/LO day. The suspicion thrown on the masons though provided a great opportunity. I completely read serial as the doctor.

[Sajin]

JC, who did you investigate n1 qwints?

[hambargarz]

Night Actions were:

N1
qwints investigates Jase (with no result due to NK)
Kreriov roleblocks Idiotking

N2
Kreriov roleblocks SerialClergyman

[yellowbunny]

I completely expected masons to lead on ML/LO day. The suspicion thrown on the masons though provided a great opportunity. I completely read serial as the doctor.

I haven't seen "ML/LO" before...what does it stand for?

[SerialClergyman]

To show what I mean about WIFOM, YB, think of the question 'why would..' So if I say 'why would not NK the masons'. That sort of question inevitably leads to some variety of WIFOM. But that does not make all 'why would' questions invalid. If we had a doc who was killed and then a claimed cop who had 4 nights without being killed - it's still WIFOM to say why weren't you killed in the last 4 nights? But that doesn't make it an invalid question. In fact, the liklihood of him being scum is dramatically high.

And deep down you KNOW this, which is why I thought you were mischaracterising me, rather than answering legitimately. Think of your 'suicide without a cop' defence. That is a WIFOM defence. It asks 'why would I claim mason when I didn't know who the cop was'. The WIFOM answer, 'Because you KNEW that would look like suicide, so we'd never suspect you'.

So I felt you used WIFOM when it suited you and dismissed anything in my cases that had even a hint of discussing motives.

[SerialClergyman]

Yeah - cop death really hurt us.
Inactive mason partner that looked scummy as all hell really hurt us as well. Also Ojanen's limited time, I think.

If we'd had more time I was going to claim tracker with a bullsh!t excuse (currently that the first 5 words of my first post each had a letter in them of the word 'track' - it was the best I could do hehe) and try to force a YB lynch. It would have been radical, but I was vanilla and was going down, so meh.

[yellowbunny]

@Serial: Still completely disagree with you on both points you raised.

I think that it is unfortunate we had so many inactive people in this game, and also what IK did in the end.

@everyone: I have been thinking about this a lot of D3. Should I have not saved Looker? After MS's suggestion that I should have tied Looker more closely to myself...would you have believed me if I had claimed after the death? Also, one thing I felt badly about (after Wall-e popped town...) was at least he was participating. Is it a good thing for town to save someone who you know is town but is scummy looking?

[StrangerCoug]

Good game.

[StrangerCoug]

(Being a list mod, I could edit my last post, but I think it's still good faith not to.)

Looking at the Mafia QuickTopic, it looks like I was too dangerous for the scum to keep me around. Normally I'm too scummy a player to warrant a nightkill.

[MichelSableheart]

Mod: The first post is incorrect. I wasn't yellowbunny's mason, BSY was.

Congratulations!

That's the disadvantage of replacing into a long game, I suppose. Even if you don't actually vote anyone, it can be over before you've fully read it.

It seems my scumdar was completely of, but I'm unsure if thorough analysis would have made things better. Still, it would have been nice if I had gotten the chance.

Kreriov, one question, if you would be so kind. Where you aware of the fact that I had been arguing that if

Looker

had been lynched, there was enough evidence to pin down yellowbunny as his partner? I just believed the other way around wasn't the case.

@everyone: I have been thinking about this a lot of D3. Should I have not saved Looker? After MS's suggestion that I should have tied Looker more closely to myself...would you have believed me if I had claimed after the death? Also, one thing I felt badly about (after Wall-e popped town...) was at least he was participating. Is it a good thing for town to save someone who you know is town but is scummy looking?

You definately did the right thing by saving him. Lynching unknown vanilla is better then known town mason from your perspective.

[hambargarz]

Oops, That's right, fixed now
Thanks again to all who replaced in, it wasn't easy given the amount of pages in this game.