Mafia #100 - Game Over

[BloodCovenent]

BC, your actions didn't match how I think you would play as scum in that situation. That's why I unvoted.

what did you expect me to do?

[Pomegranate]

Tubby, you're confusing me. First you go for Konowa, trying to get answers out of him. But once other people start noticing Konowa's scumminess, you start defending him and saying that BC is a better lynch.

Could you and Konowa be scummbudies? Maybe when the BC lynch looked so definite you decided to be "suspicious" of Konowa a bit, so that you won't be thought of as his scumbuddy if he is lynched (or vice versa). Maybe you were distancing yourself.

On the other hand, you could just be a townie, seeing how Konowa would react, seeing if he looked scummy. Once other people started changing their votes, you started defending him. Why? After all the interrogation, why don't you think he's a worthy lynch candidate? What did he say that made you less suspicious of him?

[hewitt]

define steamrolling, as I can see what Konowa is doing but can't find the link with an acutla steamroller XD

If you're looking for a wiki on steamrolling it's not there it's a term I brought to the game from real life Mafia. Steamrolling is insisting that certain players are town and certain players are scum in order to confuse town players. The player who's steamrolling takes a leadership position in dictating who the rest of the town should be going against and who they shouldn't. It's a scum tactic used to confuse the town players and submit to the scum player, thinking they're missing something that the scum player is not.

hewitt, you misunderstood my question. Let me rephrase.

Why is it scummy/anti-town to be confident in a read on someone early on in game?

It is not scummy to be confident. It is scummy to declare that you're 100% sure someone is town or scum. See above definition of steamrolling and then you might get why it's scummy.

Tubby, you're confusing me. First you go for Konowa, trying to get answers out of him. But once other people start noticing Konowa's scumminess, you start defending him and saying that BC is a better lynch.

Thank you for pointing that out.

[Benmage]

It is not scummy to be confident. It is scummy to declare that you're 100% sure someone is town or scum. See above definition of steamrolling and then you might get why it's scummy.

QFT

I still think BC is scummy, but Konowa's play since the getgo has seemed weird. He's not going to explain how he deduced "100% scum because of the role pm" right?

I don't like this wishy-washy qwints either.

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Vote Count

BloodCovenent

: (9) dramonic, Kise, DeathNote, Volume, TylerJ, Benmage, Black Jinx, tubby216, qwints

DeathNote

: (2) orangepenguin, Konowa

Konowa

: (2) magichands, hewitt

Benmage

: (1) ConfidAnon

qwints

: (1) BloodCovenent

randomlunatic

: (1) Pomegranate

Volume

: (1) Ditto

Not Voting

: (3) Gegenstand, randomlunatic, Snow White

Vote Threshold

: 11

Happiness with Posting Level

:

Satisified

[tubby216]

Tubby, you're confusing me. First you go for Konowa, trying to get answers out of him. But once other people start noticing Konowa's scumminess, you start defending him and saying that BC is a better lynch.

Could you and Konowa be scummbudies? Maybe when the BC lynch looked so definite you decided to be "suspicious" of Konowa a bit, so that you won't be thought of as his scumbuddy if he is lynched (or vice versa). Maybe you were distancing yourself.

On the other hand, you could just be a townie, seeing how Konowa would react, seeing if he looked scummy. Once other people started changing their votes, you started defending him. Why? After all the interrogation, why don't you think he's a worthy lynch candidate? What did he say that made you less suspicious of him?

ok here is the deal,
my thoughts on Konowa, i still think Kowona is scummy. I mean he is pretty difficult to deal with

my defence of Kowona isn't really a defence it was more of a refrasing since Konowa thought he would be modkilled and for the sake of the town getting the info we need i figured i'd help him out.

plus i still don't see anthing that BC has done to make him go up in towns points other than shutting up and hoping people forget he exsists.

[Pomegranate]

Tubby, you're confusing me. First you go for Konowa, trying to get answers out of him. But once other people start noticing Konowa's scumminess, you start defending him and saying that BC is a better lynch.

Could you and Konowa be scummbudies? Maybe when the BC lynch looked so definite you decided to be "suspicious" of Konowa a bit, so that you won't be thought of as his scumbuddy if he is lynched (or vice versa). Maybe you were distancing yourself.

On the other hand, you could just be a townie, seeing how Konowa would react, seeing if he looked scummy. Once other people started changing their votes, you started defending him.

Why? After all the interrogation, why don't you think he's a worthy lynch candidate? What did he say that made you less suspicious of him?

ok here is the deal,
my thoughts on Konowa, i still think Kowona is scummy. I mean he is pretty difficult to deal with

my defence of Kowona isn't really a defence it was more of a refrasing since Konowa thought he would be modkilled and for the sake of the town getting the info we need i figured i'd help him out.

plus i still don't see anthing that BC has done to make him go up in towns points other than shutting up and hoping people forget he exsists.

Could you please answer the questions I bolded?

[hewitt]

plus i still don't see anthing that BC has done to make him go up in towns points other than shutting up and hoping people forget he exsists.

I don't think anybody has town points this early in the game. Everybody kind of starts at 0 and the only thing you can do is sink lower in scummy points, and right now I think Konowa has sunk lower than BloodCovenent.

[Pomegranate]

plus i still don't see anthing that BC has done to make him go up in towns points other than shutting up and hoping people forget he exsists.

I don't think anybody has town points this early in the game. Everybody kind of starts at 0 and the only thing you can do is sink lower in scummy points, and right now I think Konowa has sunk lower than BloodCovenent.

QFT

[tubby216]

plus i still don't see anthing that BC has done to make him go up in towns points other than shutting up and hoping people forget he exsists.

I don't think anybody has town points this early in the game. Everybody kind of starts at 0 and the only thing you can do is sink lower in scummy points, and right now I think Konowa has sunk lower than BloodCovenent.

yah but BC got scumm points the only way to get rid of scum points is to get town points. and only a two pages ago 10 people wanted him lynched and now all of a sudden that number has dropped and continues to drop and i wanna know why?

[hewitt]

No no no I don't think you understand. Just because you do something that's pro-town doesn't mean that cancels out something that you did that's anti-town. It doesn't work like that. Right now, I'm basing my vote on the scummiest player, and that would be Konowa. Are you like on a team with Konowa or something? Because you're definitely trying to deflect all attention away from him onto BloodCovenent.

[tubby216]

Tubby, you're confusing me. First you go for Konowa, trying to get answers out of him. But once other people start noticing Konowa's scumminess, you start defending him and saying that BC is a better lynch.

Could you and Konowa be scummbudies? Maybe when the BC lynch looked so definite you decided to be "suspicious" of Konowa a bit, so that you won't be thought of as his scumbuddy if he is lynched (or vice versa). Maybe you were distancing yourself.

On the other hand, you could just be a townie, seeing how Konowa would react, seeing if he looked scummy. Once other people started changing their votes, you started defending him.

Why? After all the interrogation, why don't you think he's a worthy lynch candidate? What did he say that made you less suspicious of him?

ok here is the deal,
my thoughts on Konowa, i still think Kowona is scummy. I mean he is pretty difficult to deal with

my defence of Kowona isn't really a defence it was more of a refrasing since Konowa thought he would be modkilled and for the sake of the town getting the info we need i figured i'd help him out.

plus i still don't see anthing that BC has done to make him go up in towns points other than shutting up and hoping people forget he exsists.

Could you please answer the questions I bolded?

because Konowa fell for BC's trap, and was stickin with it. now that either means he is town or a scum tryin to seel his buddies story.

[tubby216]

No no no I don't think you understand. Just because you do something that's pro-town doesn't mean that cancels out something that you did that's anti-town. It doesn't work like that. Right now, I'm basing my vote on the scummiest player, and that would be Konowa. Are you like on a team with Konowa or something? Because you're definitely trying to deflect all attention away from him onto BloodCovenent.

because BC is the bigger scum.

but screw it lynch who you want. I'll just sit back and watch.

My vote stays on BC

[dramonic]

thank you Tubby, for not commiting to this game.

[hewitt]

because BC is the bigger scum.

but screw it lynch who you want. I'll just sit back and watch.

My vote stays on BC

Wow that is a great and compelling argument...screw it...real pro-town attitude right there.

[qwints]

BC, your actions didn't match how I think you would play as scum in that situation. That's why I unvoted.

what did you expect me to do?

Among other things, I didn't expect a VT claim from scum so early in the day. (Site-wide meta, not you personally). The other things are less concrete, but give me a feeling that you're not the obv-scum you'd need to be to justify a lynch at this time.

[ConfidAnon]

Do any of you get the concept that you cannot possibly know whether players are town this early in the game?

Obviously you can't know for 100%, but due to the speed at which BC's bandwagon formed, and his recent posts, I feel safe calling him town.

qwints, your wishy-washy ness does not look good.

[tubby216]

because BC is the bigger scum.

but screw it lynch who you want. I'll just sit back and watch.

My vote stays on BC

Wow that is a great and compelling argument...screw it...real pro-town attitude right there.

why not you are not listening anyway,.

BC post 151 is a scum claim. especially with the last statements i pointed out on page 8 or 9.

I see now why Konowa would be town in believing BC's claim because of the wording of it.

I see where he would think deathnote is scum because of his stance agianst BC claim.

But if you are convinced that BC is town,
I think it is far more prudent to look at those who have contributed very little, Orangepenguin comes to mind as well as kise,ditto and some others i believe pressure is needed on them.

[Konowa]

hewitt, I can see where you are coming from, but I still feel that you are voting for me because you do not like my playstyle. I play aggressive and am very vocal. If I am sure that someone is scum and no one else sees it I am going to keep repeating myself.

I am going to back over some things later tonight after I have finished making dinner and put my daughter to bed.

[tubby216]

@ the mod gegenstand has not posted all game has ne been prodded or is there a v/la or a replacement enroute?

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Gegenstand was prodded from post 187. He still has approximately 23 hours to post in thread before he is replaced.

[BloodCovenent]

BC, your actions didn't match how I think you would play as scum in that situation. That's why I unvoted.

what did you expect me to do?

Among other things, I didn't expect a VT claim from scum so early in the day. (Site-wide meta, not you personally). The other things are less concrete, but give me a feeling that you're not the obv-scum you'd need to be to justify a lynch at this time.

The most convenient claim for scum is VT, why were you surprised that I claimed? Did you expect me to try and hold out for a while before I claimed VT? For scum, VT is the easiest role to claim.

You

asked me to claim, I just find it surprised that you backed off due to

my

claim.

[hewitt]

why not you are not listening anyway,.

BC post 151 is a scum claim. especially with the last statements i pointed out on page 8 or 9.

I see now why Konowa would be town in believing BC's claim because of the wording of it.

I see where he would think deathnote is scum because of his stance agianst BC claim.

But if you are convinced that BC is town,
I think it is far more prudent to look at those who have contributed very little, Orangepenguin comes to mind as well as kise,ditto and some others i believe pressure is needed on them.

First of all I'm not the only player other than you in this game so the defense of "why not you're not listening anyway" doesn't fly. And I never said that BloodCovenent is town, when have I ever insinuated that I think he's town? In fact, I'm pretty sure I've said that he's one of the scummiest players in my book. And if those players need pressure on them then go put pressure on them! Don't whine about it.

[Benmage]

BC, your actions didn't match how I think you would play as scum in that situation. That's why I unvoted.

what did you expect me to do?

Among other things, I didn't expect a VT claim from scum so early in the day. (Site-wide meta, not you personally). The other things are less concrete, but give me a feeling that you're not the obv-scum you'd need to be to justify a lynch at this time.

The most convenient claim for scum is VT, why were you surprised that I claimed? Did you expect me to try and hold out for a while before I claimed VT? For scum, VT is the easiest role to claim.

You

asked me to claim, I just find it surprised that you backed off due to

my

claim.

I agree.

Where is OrangeP Ditto and the others

[tubby216]

its my party and i will whine if i want to

[Kise]

Contributed very little to this game, first he defended my wagon here, then he notes that he agree's with something that Dramonic says. That's about all the he said regarding my case. Now he jumps on my wagon with no case of his own. He mentions the "appeal" of mine, which is more of a statement. It shouldn't be regarded as anything important.

He wasn't defending you against Konowa. He was scumhunting; asking Konowa why he voted w/ no explanation. That's not defending you, so, he did not turn 180 because he was never taking your side to begin with.

@BC - Prove your role... how many words are there in the 2nd line of your role PM? How many words in the 3rd line of your role PM? (yes, I'm going there again)

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This question is certainly not allowed to be answered.

@Ditto - Ignoring me, are we?

@Konowa - No, the fact that the wagon rose does not prove anything. There are a lot of [town] players here, so when they see a slip, they eat that shit up like piranha food.