Player Analysis PBP
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Cain
Has only done three posts the whole game. The first post was BWing on mastin/cow with hohum and myself. The second post was him chipping in saying he was basically useless at helping us scumhunt. The third was him giving a very lousy reply to the question: "Why did you want a BW?" His response: "I didnt ask for a bandwagon, i was joining it. i had no reasons."
overall, is an active lurker with virtually no input. Hard to say if his vote actually means anything. Because his vote has not moved around at all, even though others in the game have thrown around points as to why others should be voted for, he has not budged his vote, which makes me assume it's scum placing his vote out of harms way and doing best to seem invisible. Whether or not his vote is a bussing vote is hard to say, but I'm leaning towards not [more gut than anything].
DTMaster
The biggest issue for most of the beginning of the game, post 2:
Mastin still hasn't confirmed (as of this post). What are the chances that he is reading the game so far. (And L-3, while I don't think is scummy for the RVS, is odd to look at on
just page 1
)
Now some of you thought this was scummy, some of you didn't. I for one, did not find this scummy. Let's break it down:
Mastin still hasn't confirmed (as of this post).
FACT
What are the chances that he is reading the game so far.
Seems like a rhetorical question, due to lack of question mark. Chances are, he probably isn't reading. Either that, or he's waiting until he had enough substance to make one of his annoying wall posts. [later replacement of him confirms it was the former]
(And L-3, while I don't think is scummy for the RVS, is odd to look at on
just page 1
)
I see his point, the fact that a player has a BW before even posting once is weird, BUT still doesn't mean anything. Probably the only part of his post I have a problem with, but overall don't find the post scummy.
DTMaster starts to bitch about being confronted over his post, then denies bitching about it. When hohum keeps pressing the issue, DTMaster decides to go from FoSing to voting for him in an OMGUS manner. Nik joins in the fray, and soon it's DTMaster against Nik and hohum. For the next few posts, DTMaster defends himself, but in a somewhat redundant manner, using the same points over and over again. Eventually he starts to agree with me about waiting for others to show up before a tunnel war starts, but also wants to keep the confrontation fresh enough to whip back to the forefront in case it works out to his advantage. Later he admits to OMGUSing, and then goes back to defending himself with the same material, nothing new. It is hard for me to derive anything out of it so far, but if I were to make a guess, I'd say DTMaster's defence is townie, because it has remained consistant, and has refused to alter so far. In his summary post, states that all lurkers are neutral to him, and despite the big conflict with nik and hohum, decides to regard them both as neutral as well. Finally, he decides that I'm townie, showing first signs of buddying. For a little bit, he decides to take it upon himself to defend me, and calling me pro-town repeatedly. [I personally like this, but it could be a buddy-up attempt, ya never know] He then starts to really lay his life on the line for me, defending me every turn he can. I admire the loyalty. If this was simply town/mafia setup, I'd be more suspicious, but because there is the possibility of him supporting another anti-town faction and looking bad if I flipped as one, I'd say that he is simply placing his faith in me, and would put him as town, but not fully dismissing him as scum. Of course, there is the argument that he's the same alignment as me as scum, but when I flip townie, you will see it is not the case. I feel that DTMaster did a good job of responding to ZazieR's questions, and did not seem overdefensive either. [wish I was as capable >.>] By now it's safe to say that DTMaster and I have hugely buddied up, and I am hoping he is town. I read him as town, and is doing a good job so far.
hasdgfas
Replaces Mastin [thank god] and does a catch up analysis. His initial thoughts are that he doesn't like DTMaster, Hohum, and myself. He also briefly mentions kill kill and toro but seems to ignore them after that. Seems to like nik however...not sure why. I personally don't like nik, but that could be me tunneling again...one view's don't necessarily reflect all. For the next while Cow attacks DTMaster, claiming that earlier spats between nik and DTMaster, that Nik was right and had done his part in the spat. Did he now? Guess I'll have to see for myself when I get to Nik's part...
The rest of his posts mainly involve addressing me for my OMGUSness against ZazieR, and then attacking toro for defending ZazieR. Legit point by Cow, because I was tunneling myself
Only problem I have with you is you agreed that yes, I did do something pro-town by trying to prevent a calamity from happening early on so that scum couldnt fan the flames, but immediately after decredit me and say I was not doing town any favours.
Hohum
Starts off by voting mastin [like him already
], but then gets annoyed when DTMaster supposedly steps in and tries to take away from the BW. [I'm going to make an assumption right here and say that Hohum and Mastin/Cow are not in the same faction] The Tunnel war then begins, and first Hohum starts off attacking DTMaster, but than switches gears and attacks Nik when Nik becomes too aggressive towards Hohum. Something I didn't realise until just now, but right after the tunnel war was over,
Hohum stopped posting altogether
, almost as if he doesn't want anymore unwelcome attention....Also, I don't like how he never did an analysis post like I asked.
Kill-Kill
Has very little to bring to the game. Has Voted in RVS, rehashes a scene that already has been rehashed and raged over and discussed many times, and then starts attacking three of the four horsemen. Seems so sure that one of them is scum, yet apparently does not want to move his vote off of cain.
Lumi
Hasn't been around too long, it's true, but has not offered anything to the table in terms of scum hunting. She has been more of the cheerleader by the sidelines than anything. The one good thing running for her is she is one of the few who didn't jump on the horsemen, with the exception of me. Also doesn't like toro or cain either. At this point, I'd like to ask a question:
As scum, what do I gain from stopping a conversation between three other people? [anyone can answer this]
Scott Brosius
I actually have a good town read after viewing his posts.
All his posts are mainly reflecting on past issues and giving his viewpoint on them, but he seems to pick and choose his sides to issues rather well, and briefly describes why for all of them too. Only problem I can address is that he is kind of defending multiple players himself.
ZazieR, care to ISO him and tell me your views?
So far seems to be suspicious of me, but agrees with some of my views. Doesn't like Cain, and is suspicious of Lumi.
ThAdmiral
Posted virtually NOTHING. Nothing to comment on
Toro
Spends the first few posts tunneling Cain. Say's he doesn't like Cain's vote and how there is no basis behind it. Later on toro buddies up with ZazieR, denying Saberwolf's and DTMaster's claims that ZazieR is mudslinging and twisting posts. Then there was a slight confrontation between Saberwolf and Toro, but everything worked out. Seems to like Zazier, dislikes Cain and Saberwolf.
Nikanor
Nikanor starts off to me as aggressive. Starts challenging others even though we are barely started in the RVS. Makes a good call on DTMaster about bitching and OMGUS though. Starts to backtrack and play on words when Hohum retaliates to Nikanor's aggressive play when Hohum becomes the target. Reading through the beginning, I have determined that Nikanor
DID NOT explain anywhere why the post by DTMaster was defending.
All he simply did was keep stating either: "It's Defending, simple as that", or "If you can't see why it's defending, then I can't help you".
@hohum: So you're saying your random pressure vote on Mastin was more valuable than a vote with some (if little) basis on DT? That's the interpretation I'm pulling from your one answer that is anything close to acceptable.
hohum, some advice: Answer questions well, and your answers won't be questioned. You wonder why people keep asking you the same question? They're not stupid, you just haven't clearly laid out your answer to a degree they find acceptable. Instead of resorting to insult, perhaps you could clarify your original answer next time? It would save everyone quite a bit of trouble in the long run.
oh the irony. You should follow your own advice, especially with DTMaster.
Nikanor makes a good post about Kill-kill posting for the sake of posting. The post about mafia laying low was good, but i still feel it was a mafia redirection post by him.
There's more I can say, but to be honest I think it's wild theory by myself, so I'm done with him for now. Seems to dislike Saberwolf, DTMaster, Hohum. Likes ZazieR.
ZazieR
oh god...I hope I can finish this, or else make it blissfully short...
Question: why didn't you ask Hohum the same question you asked me, asking to provide links to games with Mastin and such?
I still feel like you were mudslinging. Just about everyone got a face full of it.
wow, so it turns out I got nothing to write here, other than that you post a lot of questions, and give me quite a headache. seem to not like Saberwolf, DTMaster, and Hohum, out of the whole lot. HoHum could be to throw us off, I feel more comfortable saying you just don't like Saberwolf and DTMaster.
The list
As of now, the following look scummy:
-Hohum
-DT
-Saber
-Kill
-Toro
-ThAd
-Scott
The above 3 are more scummier than the latter 4.
Cain, Lumi, Nikanor, Cow and ZazieR did not make the list.
Zazier can be ignored for obvious reasons.
ZazieR: Please tell me why the other three did not make your list?
I'm most interested in why ThAd makes the list, but Cain does not.
Is the list random, or in order of scumminess?
Vote patterns
ZazieR: votes for Saberwolf
Toro: Votes Cain, then Saberwolf
Scott Brosius: Votes Cain
Nikanor: Votes Cow, then DTMaster, then Toro, then Saberwolf
Lumi: Votes Saberwolf
Kill-Kill: Votes Cain
Hohum: Votes Cow, then Nikanor
Cow: Votes DTMaster, then Saberwolf
DTMaster: Votes Kill-kill, then Hohum, then Kill-kill again
Cain: Votes Cow
Saberwolf: Votes Cow, then ZazieR
Conclusions, Seperations
Note: When I say Faction, I mean Faction as if one of them is anti-town. It is possible for them to both be scum and not on the same faction, but I doubt that they are of the same scum type. It is also possible for them to both be town.
DTMaster and Nikanor are definitely not on the same faction.
DTMaster and Cow are definitely not on the same faction.
Hohum and Cow are most likely not in the same faction.
Hohum and Nikanor are most likely not in the same faction.
Saberwolf and ZazieR are definitely not on the same faction.
DTMaster and ZazieR are definitely not on the same faction.
Nikanor and Saberwolf are most likely not in the same faction.
Scott doesnt like Cain or Lumi
Kill-kill doesnt like Cain
DTMaster likes Saberwolf
Saberwolf likes DTMaster
Toro likes ZazieR
Cow likes ZazieR
Nikanor likes ZazieR
And that concludes it I hope.
Fixed tags to make it easier to read
-Fuzzy
