Open 163 (Jungle Republic)- Game Over before 835

[ThAdmiral]

I kind of agree with scott.

It's useless for the player claiming because, whether or not he's actually telling the truth, he'll get NKed anyways, as there is no doc or equivilent to prevent it. The only good part to the claim would be town would back off and increase their chances of a day 1 anti-town lynch

This is giving me a really bad vibe from both you and Scott now, sounds as

if you two are werewolves

and you'd want to make sure that Hohum (if he's the seer) doesn't speak to try and clear himself.

Unvote

Vote: Saberwolf

Why can we only be werewolves? Since you are mafia and know your other members? Mafia-slip perhaps?

The seer doesn't investigate for mafia, only werewolves. So mafia would have a lot more reason to fear the seer than a werewolf would.

Also, to confirm...

If someone claims seer and isn't the seer, the real seer should not counterclaim! The fake seer will get killed at night.

[Scott Brosius]

I kind of agree with scott.

It's useless for the player claiming because, whether or not he's actually telling the truth, he'll get NKed anyways, as there is no doc or equivilent to prevent it. The only good part to the claim would be town would back off and increase their chances of a day 1 anti-town lynch

This is giving me a really bad vibe from both you and Scott now, sounds as

if you two are werewolves

and you'd want to make sure that Hohum (if he's the seer) doesn't speak to try and clear himself.

Unvote

Vote: Saberwolf

Why can we only be werewolves? Since you are mafia and know your other members? Mafia-slip perhaps?

The seer doesn't investigate for mafia, only werewolves. So mafia would have a lot more reason to fear the seer than a werewolf would.

Also, to confirm...

If someone claims seer and isn't the seer, the real seer should not counterclaim! The fake seer will get killed at night.

I assume you mean the other way around on the bolded. Wolves should fear seer more since they can be caught.

[Nikanor]

I kind of agree with scott.

It's useless for the player claiming because, whether or not he's actually telling the truth, he'll get NKed anyways, as there is no doc or equivilent to prevent it. The only good part to the claim would be town would back off and increase their chances of a day 1 anti-town lynch

This is giving me a really bad vibe from both you and Scott now, sounds as

if you two are werewolves

and you'd want to make sure that Hohum (if he's the seer) doesn't speak to try and clear himself.

Unvote

Vote: Saberwolf

Why can we only be werewolves? Since you are mafia and know your other members? Mafia-slip perhaps?

The seer doesn't investigate for mafia, only werewolves. So mafia would have a lot more reason to fear the seer than a werewolf would.

Also, to confirm...

If someone claims seer and isn't the seer, the real seer should not counterclaim! The fake seer will get killed at night.

Why are you answering for Toro?

[Scott Brosius]

Mod: Is it no-lynch if we don't reach 7 votes by deadline?

Yes, if there is not a clear majority at deadline, there is a no-lynch

- Fuzzy

[Toro]

I kind of agree with scott.

It's useless for the player claiming because, whether or not he's actually telling the truth, he'll get NKed anyways, as there is no doc or equivilent to prevent it. The only good part to the claim would be town would back off and increase their chances of a day 1 anti-town lynch

This is giving me a really bad vibe from both you and Scott now, sounds as

if you two are werewolves

and you'd want to make sure that Hohum (if he's the seer) doesn't speak to try and clear himself.

Unvote

Vote: Saberwolf

Why can we only be werewolves? Since you are mafia and know your other members? Mafia-slip perhaps?

No, with saber agreeing with you about not having hohum claim at all when he could be the seer makes it sound as if you two just want to hurry up and not give the seer a chance to speak up. And you two (if you're werewolves) would want a quicklynch of the seer.

[Scott Brosius]

I kind of agree with scott.

It's useless for the player claiming because, whether or not he's actually telling the truth, he'll get NKed anyways, as there is no doc or equivilent to prevent it. The only good part to the claim would be town would back off and increase their chances of a day 1 anti-town lynch

This is giving me a really bad vibe from both you and Scott now, sounds as

if you two are werewolves

and you'd want to make sure that Hohum (if he's the seer) doesn't speak to try and clear himself.

Unvote

Vote: Saberwolf

Why can we only be werewolves? Since you are mafia and know your other members? Mafia-slip perhaps?

No, with saber agreeing with you about not having hohum claim at all when he could be the seer makes it sound as if you two just want to hurry up and not give the seer a chance to speak up. And you two (if you're werewolves) would want a quicklynch of the seer.

Doesn't really answer my question, but I guess it was more of an observation than a question.

[Scott Brosius]

Is everyone happy with their vote? I've seen games where there is potential for a no-lynch and its so easy for non-town groups to hide D1 based on the excuse "Well I had to vote someone or else we would no-lynch" when a wagon forms close to deadline.

[Scott Brosius]

Hohum hasn't posted since Friday (5 days ago) in this game. I would rather him replaced than lynch him, but if he is to remain in the game then he's going to be a huge distraction future days and I want him out of here. So for the time being I am happy with my vote, but would rather a replacement for hohum.

Hohum needs another prod

[saberwolf]

DTMaster: I said if it was the real seer it would suck, but it would be in a VT's best interests as well as towns for a fake claim. Werewolves most likely wouldn't claim seer or they'd get NKed, but would claim VT, and mafia are free to claim seer. Therefore if Hohum claims, depending on what he claims, it for the most part based on odds is best for town. He could simply claim VT, but I don't think that would make us change our vote.

[ThAdmiral]

I assume you mean the other way around on the bolded. Wolves should fear seer more since they can be caught.

Correct.

Why are you answering for Toro?

Because it sounded like scott may not have fully understood the set up, i.e. seer can only investigate for werewolves and I thought it best to clear that up.

@ hohum: please try to post soon.

[saberwolf]

ThAdmiral: I'm glad you did. I had forgotten that myself.

[peacesells]

All, I've been gone the past few days, unexpected out of town trip with my father-n-law.

There has been a ton of day one analyzing going on, so much so that it is going to be difficult to see the forrest through the trees so to speak.

Vote histories will speak volumes at this point and

hohum

should be fine to get that started.

I believe this puts him at L-1...if this doesn't prod him, nothing will and we'll just have to live with the results and use the votes for analyzing future lynch subjects.

[saberwolf]

peace: thats not a legit vote.

[DTMaster]

@Hohum
:< When you come back/ if you do, enlighten us with your thoughts.

@Sabre
All true, but it'll all depend on what he posts and when he posts.

[peacesells]

peace: thats not a legit vote.

Eager?

vote Hohum

[saberwolf]

peace: thats not a legit vote.

Eager?

vote Hohum

How do you get eager out of that? I simply stated what was true. You stated that you put Hohum at L-1, and I simply told you you were incorrect.

[peacesells]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

[saberwolf]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

Otherwise what? Are you threatening me, or attempting to set up future mislynches? Either way, it's not very town of you.

[hasdgfas]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

what the heck are you talking about? You're attacking saberwolf for correcting you? How incredibly ridiculous.

FoS

[Shotty to the Body]

DTMaster: I said if it was the real seer it would suck, but it would be in a VT's best interests as well as towns for a fake claim. Werewolves most likely wouldn't claim seer or they'd get NKed, but would claim VT, and mafia are free to claim seer. Therefore if Hohum claims, depending on what he claims, it for the most part based on odds is best for town. He could simply claim VT, but I don't think that would make us change our vote.

This is incorrect. Werewolves have nothing to fear in claiming seer because they are the ones doing the NKing. Mafia would never fake-claim seer because they're avoiding the werewolves like the plague and don't want to get involved in any seer-werewolf duel.

[saberwolf]

DTMaster: I said if it was the real seer it would suck, but it would be in a VT's best interests as well as towns for a fake claim. Werewolves most likely wouldn't claim seer or they'd get NKed, but would claim VT, and mafia are free to claim seer. Therefore if Hohum claims, depending on what he claims, it for the most part based on odds is best for town. He could simply claim VT, but I don't think that would make us change our vote.

This is incorrect. Werewolves have nothing to fear in claiming seer because they are the ones doing the NKing. Mafia would never fake-claim seer because they're avoiding the werewolves like the plague and don't want to get involved in any seer-werewolf duel.

yes you are right...ugh, i keep mixing the two up. switch mafia and werewolves in my quote, and thats what i meant.

[peacesells]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

what the heck are you talking about? You're attacking saberwolf for correcting you? How incredibly ridiculous.

FoS

Are you and Saber scum partners? Why would a town player be so exasperated by one little comment? Why would you be defending him on day 1?

[peacesells]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

Are you threatening me, or attempting to set up future mislynches? Either way, it's not very town of you.

Are you attempting to set up an argument against a future point I may make against you if Hohum comes up innocent? Is this town of you?

[saberwolf]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

Are you threatening me, or attempting to set up future mislynches? Either way, it's not very town of you.

Are you attempting to set up an argument against a future point I may make against you if Hohum comes up innocent? Is this town of you?

Nope, but I don't like the way you took an innocent remark and tried to turn it into some kind of scum tell. Truth is, your vote WAS wrong. PLUS, if you thought I was wrong, you wouldn't have posted a new vote afterwards. I also don't like how you started to threaten me. Granted, the sentence was left unending, but it is very easy to interpret as a threat. Why should I be the one worried if he doesn't flip scum. Why not anybody else? You are starting to throw some OMGUS posts around as well [ @ hascow, and sort of at me], although I'm sure that when others come to read this, they will support me as well.

also, arguing a question with another question is very untownlike.

[Toro]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

what the heck are you talking about? You're attacking saberwolf for correcting you? How incredibly ridiculous.

FoS

Are you and Saber scum partners? Why would a town player be so exasperated by one little comment? Why would you be defending him on day 1?

Why are you pinning the blame of the hohum wagon on saber Peace?