Open 163 (Jungle Republic)- Game Over before 835

[ZazieR]

Finally found why I don't like this post:

Oh btw town Hohum is L-2 FYI. Usually this is the claim point if the town is leaning in this direction.

Soft-push for a claim.

[ZazieR]

Is this working well in hohum's favour though?...all he's gotta do is read the threads and act accordingly now that we prematurly set the stage up with this whole discussion. However it is almost a guarantee now that he won't live past night 1.

Way to try to discredit a potential seer claim by hohum.
And it's almost guaranteed he won't live through night one IF he claims seer.

I'm not discrediting anything. I actually feel bad for hohum, as he's stuck betwen a rock and a hard place. If Hohum does claim seer, I will gladly get off and put my vote on somebody else...particularly DTMaster for tactfully setting up this whole conversation.

Agreed with Nik that if Saber didn't like to post about it, he should have stopped this convo. And to make things worse, he explains in full detail in Post 569 how things can work out for Hohum and DT if they are scum together and hohum claims seer.

[Scott Brosius]

@ saberwolf: I think he's town. I'm going to

unvote, vote: scott

instead. Of all the people voting swolf he seems the least convinced of his own words.

That's all you have to say concerning SW? "I think he's town" That's pretty unhelpful, WHY do you think he's town. After his blowup, why is that a town tell to you?

[Scott Brosius]

Also ill take

orange

[ZazieR]

I kind of agree with scott.

It's useless for the player claiming because, whether or not he's actually telling the truth, he'll get NKed anyways, as there is no doc or equivilent to prevent it. The only good part to the claim would be town would back off and increase their chances of a day 1 anti-town lynch

This is giving me a really bad vibe from both you and Scott now, sounds as

if you two are werewolves

and you'd want to make sure that Hohum (if he's the seer) doesn't speak to try and clear himself.

Unvote

Vote: Saberwolf

Why can we only be werewolves? Since you are mafia and know your other members? Mafia-slip perhaps?

The seer doesn't investigate for mafia, only werewolves. So mafia would have a lot more reason to fear the seer than a werewolf would.

Also, to confirm...

If someone claims seer and isn't the seer, the real seer should not counterclaim!

The fake seer will get killed at night.

Oh? How come (Regarding the bolded)?

[fuzzylightning]

Vote Count #12

DTMaster

: 1

(Kill-kill)

hasdgfas

: 1

(hohum)

Saberwolf

: 5

(ZazieR, Toro, Scott Brosius, DTMaster, Nikanor)

hohum

: 2

(Shotty to the Body, peacesells)

Scott Brosius

: 1

(ThAdmiral)

Not Voting

:

(hasdgfas, saberwolf)

With 12 Alive it takes 7 votes for a lynch.

Deadline is now Sunday September 13, 2009 4 PM EDT

[ZazieR]

All, I've been gone the past few days, unexpected out of town trip with my father-n-law.

There has been a ton of day one analyzing going on, so much so that it is going to be difficult to see the forrest through the trees so to speak.

Vote histories will speak volumes at this point and

hohum

should be fine to get that started.

I believe this puts him at L-1...if this doesn't prod him, nothing will and we'll just have to live with the results and use the votes for analyzing future lynch subjects.

Not liking this vote.

Or the accusations and threat against Saberwolf (and later the accusations against Cow as well)

[ZazieR]

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

what the heck are you talking about? You're attacking saberwolf for correcting you? How incredibly ridiculous.

FoS

Are you and Saber scum partners? Why would a town player be so exasperated by one little comment? Why would you be defending him on day 1?

Why are you pinning the blame of the hohum wagon on saber Peace?

I am not blaming Saber for the wagon.

I just think he is eager for the lynch. Didn't take long for him to "catch" my voting mistake and comment on it. I think (purely my conjecture) that he wants this to really go through and was tuned in to "seeing" a voting mistake and pointed it out quickly. I would chalk this up as a psychological gamble on my part.

And, I purposely worded things they way I did to get a reaction from Saber. The reaction from Has was just a bonus.

Explain why you think Saber is a player who wants a lynch on Hohum, instead of a player who notified you of a wrong mistake.

[ZazieR]

EBWOP

simply eh?

Just hope that Hohum turns up scum..otherwise..........

what the heck are you talking about? You're attacking saberwolf for correcting you? How incredibly ridiculous.

FoS

Are you and Saber scum partners? Why would a town player be so exasperated by one little comment? Why would you be defending him on day 1?

Why are you pinning the blame of the hohum wagon on saber Peace?

I am not blaming Saber for the wagon.

I just think he is eager for the lynch. Didn't take long for him to "catch" my voting mistake and comment on it. I think (purely my conjecture) that he wants this to really go through and was tuned in to "seeing" a voting mistake and pointed it out quickly. I would chalk this up as a psychological gamble on my part.

And, I purposely worded things they way I did to get a reaction from Saber. The reaction from Has was just a bonus.

Explain why you think Saber is a player who wants a lynch on Hohum

eager

, instead of a player who notified you of a wrong mistake.

[ZazieR]

RE: Bolded: Isn't that what town should be looking for? Little comments that show alignment.

Wasn't I doing the same? Looking at a "Little comment" to see alignment?

Do you dictate which comments are little enough?

Are you really that exasperated that I would have the nerve to try and do something that you just said is what we are supposed to be doing?

Really....

so telling you that you screwed up voting now tells alignment?

It was a very obvious fake-vote. He was hoping someone would try to hammer and he could say "HAHA U R SCUM!". I must say, definitely +scum points for peace.

Peace

, what do you have to say about this?

[ZazieR]

@Town

Would we even gain that much information from Hohum's lynch? It is day one, yes you would rather go for a lynch, but in terms of information based on character interactions we wind up with very little since he hasn't posted anything substantial.

Oh should answer my own question first:

I was trying to see Hohum's reaction based on my meta evidence I provided to support Has' case. So far this isn't working too well. :<

From an information standpoint we gain little from Hohum for the lack of posting he did. From just a general town play perspective its heavily anti-town, especially when he could V/LA or replace out if he's so busy. :<

Second quote activates my gut.
As for your question, yes. Seems like a final attempt to get a different lynch than Hohum.

Zaz Reminder

[Toro]

Continuing from Page 19

Why don't we wait a day and then we can put the pressure on Hohum?

Why did you want to wait?

What, you wouldn't want to give Hohum a chance to speak and defend himself?

IGMEOY: Zazier

So if Hohum has anything to say you don't want to hear it?

Mmhmm.

Vote: Saberwolf

Misrep.[/quote]

Could you explain what you mean here Zaz?

[Toro]

You just gave scum "the anti town argument" to vote against you if you were townie.

Two days self implosion. :< If you are going to hang this in the background then scum hunting can't take place. It's a giant elephant in the room and we need to deal with this now.
Unvote
Vote: Sabrewolf
Scum hunt now and I'll unvote.

Lawl. If saberwolf flips town, I'm looking at DTM tomorrow. If saberwolf flips scum, I'm definitely looking at peacesells tomorrow.
I'm not buying the AtE from saberwolf. Before I vote, I'd like to hear peacesells's opinion on the matter.
@peacesells: If you ignore this question of mine, I'm going to tear you apart tomorrow, regardless of saber's flip. What do you think of saber's self-vote?

Magic 8-Ball said "what?"

Please input opinion. What do you think of saberwolf's self-vote?

Exactly what I said as the 8-Ball, "WHAT?"

Seriously.

So you're confused?
Do you think his self-vote is pro-town, anti-town, or null?
In your eyes, does saber's self-vote make him look more like scum, more like town, or null?

I was just confused on why he did it. I already thought Saber was anti-town/leaning anti-town throughout the game but this just sealed the deal for me.

[Nikanor]

Setting up chain lynches is scumzors, and also giving up this sort of information helps scum more than it helps fellow towns.

I'm not setting up chainlynches at all. I merely say I would be looking at those people tomorrow. If someone ends up scummier than either of the two tomorrow, I'll be more than happy to lynch them. And if I thought it would help scum more than town by posting it, I wouldn't have posted it.
DTM: Probably not getting killed tonight. I've said on multiple occasions that I'm suspicious of him, so I don't see how saying it once more will affect anything.
peacesells: Definitely not getting killed tonight. Not after that bandwagon on him midday.
Note that both of these can change based on the werewolves' opinions on these people (given they aren't werewolves themselves). i.e. whether they think said people are mafia.

Continuing from Page 19

Why don't we wait a day and then we can put the pressure on Hohum?

Why did you want to wait?

What, you wouldn't want to give Hohum a chance to speak and defend himself? IGMEOY: Zazier

OMGUS here.

I was just confused on why he did it. I already thought Saber was anti-town/leaning anti-town throughout the game but this just sealed the deal for me.

But does anti-town = scummy?

And Zazie, use green for Nikanor. (Just kidding! You'll get modkilled if you do).

[ZazieR]

@Nik

I'm only leaning towards a Hohum lynch because he blatantly lied about his meta. If we wanted to go forward in terms of information you would lean towards a Sabre or Peace lynch.

And now it seems, you do want a Hohum lynch.
So if you do want a Hohum lynch, why did you ask the question about a Hohum lynch and information?

You know if townie really hammered before deadline, I would be more suspect of the hammerer then anything. It's scummy to hammer pre-defense and before deadline.

Why state this 'warning'?

[Toro]

Setting up chain lynches is scumzors, and also giving up this sort of information helps scum more than it helps fellow towns.

I'm not setting up chainlynches at all. I merely say I would be looking at those people tomorrow. If someone ends up scummier than either of the two tomorrow, I'll be more than happy to lynch them. And if I thought it would help scum more than town by posting it, I wouldn't have posted it.
DTM: Probably not getting killed tonight. I've said on multiple occasions that I'm suspicious of him, so I don't see how saying it once more will affect anything.
peacesells: Definitely not getting killed tonight. Not after that bandwagon on him midday.
Note that both of these can change based on the werewolves' opinions on these people (given they aren't werewolves themselves). i.e. whether they think said people are mafia.

Continuing from Page 19

Why don't we wait a day and then we can put the pressure on Hohum?

Why did you want to wait?

What, you wouldn't want to give Hohum a chance to speak and defend himself? IGMEOY: Zazier

OMGUS here.

I was just confused on why he did it. I already thought Saber was anti-town/leaning anti-town throughout the game but this just sealed the deal for me.

But does anti-town = scummy?

And Zazie, use green for Nikanor. (Just kidding! You'll get modkilled if you do).

So you wouldn't just not wait for Hohum and just quick-lynch him? Okay Nik. And of the anti-town = scummy argument, by anti-town I believe that Saberwolf is a member of a scum faction.

[Nikanor]

So you wouldn't just not wait for Hohum and just quick-lynch him? Okay Nik.

You were misrepresenting Zazie, and now you're misrepresenting me.

FoS: Toro.

[Toro]

To people who claim I'm misrepresenting them, do you see where I'm coming from though when I say that you might not want to here what Hohum would've said?

[saberwolf]

Alright, that's the pot stirred, now let's play.


This was a gambit on my part, and most likely will get lynched, but I think we have seen some interesting views from people as of late.

I am very much eager to keep playing, so my vote will now go to use.

vote: nikanor

cause I don't buy your concerned for townie ploy. I call BS.

[Nikanor]

cause I don't buy your concerned for townie ploy. I call BS.

Where is this 'concerned for townie ploy' about which you keep speaking?

[Nikanor]

To people who claim I'm misrepresenting them, do you see where I'm coming from though when I say that you might not want to here what Hohum would've said?

Not at all. If I thought it was a valid point, I wouldn't be calling you out for misrepresentation.

[saberwolf]

cause I don't buy your concerned for townie ploy. I call BS.

Where is this 'concerned for townie ploy' about which you keep speaking?

the whole time you bring up AtE as your main attack against me. Planning on scenarios, and trying to cover your ass with options upon my lynch.

[Toro]

Alright, that's the pot stirred, now let's play.


This was a gambit on my part, and most likely will get lynched, but I think we have seen some interesting views from people as of late.

I am very much eager to keep playing, so my vote will now go to use.

vote: nikanor

cause I don't buy your concerned for townie ploy. I call BS.

Someone call the Suicide Hotline?

[Nikanor]

I think you're going to flip scum, saberwolf. That's why I'm voting you. I'm bringing up the 'if you're town' scenarios because I don't know what you're going to flip. Hell, I don't even know if I'm going to live through the night. But if I die tonight, I'll have at least left the town with my will to work off of for tomorrow.
Also, the whole 'LYNCH MEEEE' flipping to 'But I've been lynched as townie every game so far!' flipping back to 'LYNCH MEEEE' is fairly scummy; it looks like you're trying to make up your mind between using AtE and intimidation tactics.

[saberwolf]

no, just using various tools to see who reacts to what. I bet if any of you used what just transpired, you'll see a lot of content to work with.