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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:58 am

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@Zazie

Post 708: A minute discrepancy is something extremely picky to look at.

For all we know Hohum could have posted his original post at 3:34:59 and did his vote shortly after. The fact that hohum posted within a minute between each post in a double post just signify that the two should be linked together as one post.

714: I checked the google meta call on hohum. In fact it was this post that I corrected myself since I double check the time stamps and confirmed Hohum posted in other games after the 17th. I misread because across the board he posted on Sept 3rd with the same post in all his games.

I was the first person to check so its misrep from you to say I didn't meta checked. I even outlined how to google search hohum's games when the bar was down.

717: Are there any specifics you want to address in that post? You point is vague here.

719: I get it. Though if people do not read your posts and you argue back them with proof through quotes then it's the player's fault for not taking the time and effort to read through your posts.

721:
Indigo works
if you want to use it on me. I don't care really since I catch most of your questions and would hope you/the town will point out when and if I miss one.

735: So I assume you are saying 2 things here, let me clarify if this is right:

1. We would gain information here.
2. You make the point that it looks like I'm deflecting the lynch away from Hohum.

What kind of information would you gain from Hohum? You seem to insinuate something along those lines with number 2 here.

739: I was asked the question to weigh the pros and cons of lynching hohum. We have no strong reads on him. He's generally playing anti-town and the meta evidence from the google search confirmed he's lying.

I strongly just get a sense of anti-town play rather then scummy play here, but the latter argument points towards scum-hohum.

Also I wasn't "warning" any one. Read the exchange between Kill and myself on the topic of quick lynching and Peace's fake vote. I was saying that it would be scummy for someone to quick lynch under those circumstances when Kill outlined that Peace is scummy for false voting to lure someone to quick lynch. It doesn't clear the eager hammerer as town nor does it make sense since in Kill's reasoning he outlined that Peace's scenario is a townie move.

I'm still awaiting his response but his classes take priority here.

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738: How can you for sure say that I'm not getting killed tonight? You can't predict this accurately unless you are wolf-scum.
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:59 am

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saberwolf wrote:Alright, that's the pot stirred, now let's play.


This was a gambit on my part, and most likely will get lynched, but I think we have seen some interesting views from people as of late.

I am very much eager to keep playing, so my vote will now go to use.


vote: nikanor


cause I don't buy your concerned for townie ploy. I call BS.
This post doesn't sit well with me at all. He's under considerable pressure here and rather than have a conversation with the rest of us he attempts to deflect by lashing out at people.

the vote reads like a pressure vote (weak reasoning). Deadline looms. I'd like to actually see your CASE on Nikanor. You might just have enough time left to convince someone to reconsider.

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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:00 am

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that's the L-1 vote BTW>
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:05 am

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DTM, how does
(Italics mine) Nikanor wrote:DTM:
Probably
not getting killed tonight. I've said on multiple occasions that I'm suspicious of him, so I don't see how saying it once more will affect anything.
translate into
(Italics mine) DTM wrote:@Nik
738: How can you
for sure
say that I'm not getting killed tonight?
?
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:08 am

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Oh my gawds... Hohum has descended upon Open 163.

Back on topic, what do you have to say with all the accusations on you Hohum. And your recent post suggests 1 thing, you are lurking the heck out of this game.

[quote'"Hohum"] This post doesn't sit well with me at all. He's under considerable pressure here and rather than have a conversation with the rest of us he attempts to deflect by lashing out at people.

the vote reads like a pressure vote (weak reasoning). Deadline looms. I'd like to actually see your CASE on Nikanor. You might just have enough time left to convince someone to reconsider. [/quote]

A lot of this takes information from the recent pages to make up this post. Explain your actions.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:14 am

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Vote Count #12


DTMaster
: 1
(Kill-kill)

Saberwolf
: 6
(ZazieR, Toro, Scott Brosius, DTMaster, Nikanor, hohum)

hohum
: 2
(Shotty to the Body, peacesells)

Scott Brosius
: 1
(ThAdmiral)

Nikanor
: 1
(saberwolf)


Not Voting
:
(hasdgfas)


With 12 Alive it takes 7 votes for a lynch.

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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:16 am

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If Saber's town (doubt it), I say we go after hohum. If Saber's scum (yup), I still say we go after hohum.
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:16 am

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Aw fail quote tags.

@Nik

You are speculating on future night kills. You can't in no way in a townie POV he will know what is advantageous to scum to night kill until the start of day 2 when we have some alignment flips.

Saying that "I probably won't die tonight" seems like you are certain you will see me tomorrow. Yes the english definition on the word probably does not equate to "for sure" but I don't understand why you are just specifically pointing this out on me on this.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:17 am

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Aw fail quote tags.
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:34 am

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DTM wrote:You are speculating on future night kills. You can't in no way in a townie POV he will know what is advantageous to scum to night kill until the start of day 2 when we have some alignment flips.
Language fail. :P
In that quote I was explaining to ThAdmiral how my speculations about at whom I will be looking tomorrow would not help the scum aim their nightkill. I was explaining that no matter what I had said about either DTM or peacesells, they would most likely not be nightkilled anyway.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:43 pm

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hohum wrote:that's the L-1 vote BTW>
wrong. I am at L-2

Mod, ZazieR unvoted, so I have one less vote.
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drench394 (2:54:13 AM): i've been going through puberty for the better part of a year now

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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:21 am

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Scott Brosius wrote:That's all you have to say concerning SW? "I think he's town" That's pretty unhelpful, WHY do you think he's town. After his blowup, why is that a town tell to you?
Appeals to emotion are not exclusively done by scum. In fact I have often seen them done by town. This one seems genuine to me.
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ThAdmiral wrote:If someone claims seer and isn't the seer, the real seer should not counterclaim!
The fake seer will get killed at night.
Oh? How come (Regarding the bolded)?
The werewolves will kill them...unless the fake seer is a werewolf.
Regardless I still think the real seer should wait until at least one negative result before claiming. What do you think?
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saberwolf wrote:cause I don't buy your concerned for townie ploy. I call BS.
Where is this 'concerned for townie ploy' about which you keep speaking?
the whole time you bring up AtE as your main attack against me. Planning on scenarios, and trying to cover your ass with options upon my lynch.
I think scott is more likely to be scum, hence my vote on him. Join me, saberwolf.
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:35 am

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saberwolf wrote:
hohum wrote:that's the L-1 vote BTW>
wrong. I am at L-2

Mod, ZazieR unvoted, so I have one less vote.
No, I didn't.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:08 am

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Regarding the
DT-Kill
discussion.
I don't understand #1 in this post.
The coaching arguments against DT from
Kill
don't seem like coaching to me. I'm also interested why these got brought up already.
DT
needs to explain why he didn't vote Kill in the same post with his unvote, but HoS'ed him instead.
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:12 am

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Nik wrote:Lynch all Liars is stupid as well. It is sometimes pro-town to lie. I probably lie more as town than I do as scum, simply because it is occasionally pro-town to do so.
Take now, for instance. I haven't looked into it myself, but I'll assume you're all telling the truth when you say that hohum has been making large posts in other games. Would it have been beneficial to the town for townhohum to tell the truth that he's been lurking? No. I've gone down that road myself as town, thinking that honesty is the correct path, and admitting to lurking. It distracted the town, and eventually contributed to my mislynch in lylo.
But in Hohum's case, he lied to try and get the attention away from him. And in this case, it's scummy. Do you agree? If not, why?
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:21 am

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Zazie wrote:But in Hohum's case, he lied to try and get the attention away from him. And in this case, it's scummy. Do you agree? If not, why?
Since you say it like that, and not 'OMG HE IZ A LIER GAIZ LINCH HIMM NAOOO,' like all the other players at that time were doing, I'm inclined to agree that it is slightly scummy. But it is not worth lynching him over, in my opinion.
@Mod: Can you institute a prod limit, maybe? Just so that we can get hohum replaced if he just decides to post every time he's prodded. :/
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:23 am

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DT wrote:3.
Kill wrote:You really don't. Your attack is based on not understanding or intentionally misunderstanding what I said. I do disagree with his play. I was describing WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO.
You can't do this. This is called WIFOM reasoning because
you can only think you know what he does
for you are not Peace. The only way you can know this if
you are scum with Peace and knows what he is thinking
.
This is impossible for you to do.
Oh? (Regarding the part in italics)
DT wrote:4. I didn't edit my post nor unvoted in a post after my reasoning. I cannot see how unvoting hohum when I think Kill is more scummy is scummy in itself when Nik just said it's townie to do this.

I also unvoted before Nik said anything about this.
Nik's point was that you were soft-defending Hohum (By asking if this lynch would give us that much information), while being one of the Hohum voters.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:30 am

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Saber wrote:If this wagon is going to be derailed, I want to see good reason to shift my vote, but we need to do something soon..I will not allow scum to force us into a no lynch, when that is not in town's best interests. To be real honest though, I'm finding that the whole lot of us are getting mighty paranoid...the slightest defence of somebody or the smallest comment gets us all worked up and making assumptions about each other. Granted, a few of these assumptions could be right, but I find that we aren't fully scumhunting as we are just pointing fingers at whoever talks back at us.
Not liking it when a preach gets given how somebody doesn't want a no-lynch, but doesn't try to convince others to vote the player he's voting.
Though I do appreciate it that you wanted to hear from me ^.^
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:34 am

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Due to DT's post that follows after that post from Saber,
Kill
needs to explain something:
In Post 631, you state that it's pro-town of DT to be against a Hohum lynch. When Nik states that DT was still voting Hohum at that point, you vote DT. Yet, in Post 631, you pointed out that DT had switched his vote towards Hohum. So explain how you thought it was pro-town in Post 631.
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:41 am

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Nikanor wrote:
DTM wrote:I was probably unclear when "I said it was impossible for you to do", it should be read "it's impossible as a townie for you to do". As scum it's very possible to know.
IGMEOY, DTM.
This.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:43 am

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saberwolf wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
saberwolf wrote:
unvote; vote: hohum


the hell with this, if he isn't scum, he's a liability.
Why no vote earlier?
Also,
Zaz
, reminder to look back.
because I was waiting for more input from hohum, but when I realised that the \O/ was the best we were gonna get, I got fed up and voted for him.
I also made some posts towards you before this 'spam fest' (See the posts made the 28th my time)
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:48 am

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peacesells wrote:I'm sorry you don't need to point it out, I've found it. When he posted that I thought he was just making statements and I have no clue what he means by "Gut Activated." Does he need a TUMS?

So to answer his questions in the order he asked: Yes, No.
You had multiple posts to respond to. Why didn't you respond to the other ones?
"Gut activated" means that your post, there was something due to which my mind says you are scummy.

P.S. What's TUMS?
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:55 am

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DTMaster wrote:@Sabre...
You just gave scum "the anti town argument" to vote against you if you were townie.
Like this?:
DTMaster wrote:Two days self implosion. :< If you are going to hang this in the background then scum hunting can't take place. It's a giant elephant in the room and we need to deal with this now.

Unvote

Vote: Sabrewolf


Scum hunt now and I'll unvote.
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:01 am

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ZazieR wrote:
DTMaster wrote:@Sabre...
You just gave scum "the anti town argument" to vote against you if you were townie.
Like this?:
DTMaster wrote:Two days self implosion. :< If you are going to hang this in the background then scum hunting can't take place. It's a giant elephant in the room and we need to deal with this now.

Unvote

Vote: Sabrewolf


Scum hunt now and I'll unvote.
Seems Nik also pointed this out. Yet, I haven't seen a response from DT about it yet.
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:03 am

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DTMaster wrote:@TOWN

This is the time to meta sabre's games now. I have a bad vibe on this. This goes against the town play I know sabre is capable of.
Why not do so yourself if you have a bad vibe?
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