Mafia 101 - Mafia Dodgeball: GAME OVER

[Vi]

I trust a gut read on Hayker more than I do on you. It's more a compliment than an insult.

I am INSULTED that you aren't insulting m--okay, I'm taking this self-absorbed persona a little far. I'd like to know what's going into this gut read though.

I'm fine with a wagon on RayFrost, but I'm only abandoning my Hayker vote because you're being nice

Unvote: Hayker
Vote: RayFrost

(L-8)

[Kmd4390]

It's the way he's being careful with his vote. He went after Rofl pretty hard in Mafia 96 and happened to be wrong. He comes here and is worried about being wrong again. No, it's not a good mentality, but it seems more town-motivated than scum-motivated.

So being nice actually

does

get me somewhere sometimes. Wish RL worked that way...

[Vi]

So being nice actually

does

get me somewhere sometimes. Wish RL worked that way...

I really want to say something encouraging in response, but the only thing that comes to mind is "that's what you should expect when you're surrounded by yankees". [/prejudiced]

I still have some objection to Hayker, but that explanation does enough to let me pass on him for now.

Anyway, I'm watching to see a certain person's next move.

[Kmd4390]

I'm actually surrounded by rednecks. It's a long drive to the City.

[~Jordan`]

i need to recap for a sec, just noting I exist.

[RayFrost]

The scummiest scum:
RayFrost - "Random" voted on a player who already had a real case on him. Switched to another random vote when called on that. Bad vote on Bub. Sets himself up to vote either of the two leading wagons with his unvote and "can't decide" comment.

My reaction to seeing this and the vote:

"I was wondering when something like this was going to happen..."

I know my starting-the-game playstyle is terrible, which is why I usually stick to replacing in.

As it is, the case is accurate of what I've been doing up until now, even if the alignment perceived from it isn't.

This is actually one of the first times I've been called out on something that I can follow the logic on =/ much harder to defend myself when I can see the validity...

I could post a list of my own suspicions, but I doubt that'd help. I guess I'll just leave you both on me and as is until I'm feeling better.

[~Jordan`]

The scummiest scum:
RayFrost - "Random" voted on a player who already had a real case on him. Switched to another random vote when called on that. Bad vote on Bub. Sets himself up to vote either of the two leading wagons with his unvote and "can't decide" comment.

My reaction to seeing this and the vote:

"I was wondering when something like this was going to happen..."

I know my starting-the-game playstyle is terrible, which is why I usually stick to replacing in.

As it is, the case is accurate of what I've been doing up until now, even if the alignment perceived from it isn't.

This is actually one of the first times I've been called out on something that I can follow the logic on =/ much harder to defend myself when I can see the validity...

I could post a list of my own suspicions, but I doubt that'd help. I guess I'll just leave you both on me and as is until I'm feeling better.

what you just said was scummy...

FoS RayFrost

[~Jordan`]

vote RayFRist

[RayFrost]

vote RayFRist

Feel free to explain that vote and how what I said was scummy any time, Jordan.

Or is that not possible because you are just following Vi & Kmd?

[~Jordan`]

I'm sorry, I thought the qyote was my explanation...
I don't blindly bandwagon.

In my expirience as mafia, covering up for my mistakes by calling myself a bad player was one of my (poor) strategies.

[RayFrost]

I'm sorry, I thought the qyote was my explanation...
I don't blindly bandwagon.

In my expirience as mafia, covering up for my mistakes by calling myself a bad player was one of my (poor) strategies.

Eh. I am not you.

I wasn't defending myself because he has a valid case.

From my understanding, you are under the belief that I would go for the "oh, I'm such a terrible player" strategy?

For one, the quote only states that I'm bad at start up once.

For two, I said the case on me was valid, thus I was not covering up what I had done that was scummy.

For three, this really seems like you are trying to avoid Kmd's suspicion since you were also on his scummy list.

[~Jordan`]

I was on a scummy list? I really need to re-read better.

Nonetheless, its not just that one quote, but ofc the others' suspiciouns as well. I would never base a vote on simply 1 post.

And furthermore. What does being on a scummy list have to do with my suspicions against you? Is that just basic OMGUS?

[dramonic]

Kmd4390- This guy is helping the town so much right now that if he's scum, we're all in trouble anyway.

This game sure moves fast. Rereading to develop an opinion with the recent events

[RayFrost]

I was on a scummy list? I really need to re-read better.

Nonetheless, its not just that one quote, but ofc the others' suspiciouns as well. I would never base a vote on simply 1 post.

And furthermore. What does being on a scummy list have to do with my suspicions against you? Is that just basic OMGUS?

"~Jordan` - You say you love an active game, yet you only have one post-RVS post. And it's one of the worst posts in the game." - Kmd

If you knew his suspicions, you knew you were on the list... so either you didn't know others' suspicions, or you did and are feigning ignorance here.

I have no real suspicion of you, personally. I will point out that which is out of sorts to me, scummy or otherwise.

Not sure how it is omgus if I'm not voting for you or retaliating.

Pointing something out =/= calling it/the person scummy.

[~Jordan`]

I'm sorry. I do love activity, but am finding it hard to pursue it myself. School is 8 hours a Day.

That suspicion...isn't very valid neways.

Hm...

[MafiaSSK]

FAIL. Forgot to:

Unvote, Vote Rayfrost

Can you elaborate on your case?

[MafiaSSK]

I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actually

would

follow his buddies blatantly tbh.

Meta examples?

[~Jordan`]

I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actually

would

follow his buddies blatantly tbh.

Meta examples?

im sorry, im a little unfulfilled in the mafiascum lingo.

meta examples?

[RayFrost]

I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actually

would

follow his buddies blatantly tbh.

Meta examples?

im sorry, im a little unfulfilled in the mafiascum lingo.

meta examples?

meta as in metagaming

as in viewing the playstyle of somebody from a bunch of games they played in the past and using that as a basis for opinions.

[RayFrost]

I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actually

would

follow his buddies blatantly tbh.

Meta examples?

im sorry, im a little unfulfilled in the mafiascum lingo.

meta examples?

meta as in metagaming

as in viewing the playstyle of somebody from a bunch of games they played in the past and using that as a basis for opinions.

opinions and alignments and reads in general

[~Jordan`]

yea. I get it. It just means something different where I come from.

I'll brb with a more...decisive opinion.

[Vi]

I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actually

would

follow his buddies blatantly tbh.

Meta examples?

Getting you to clearly state your motives is nearly impossible and usually unfulfilling. Personally, I wouldn't bother trying.
This buys you an excellent meta shield - "yes that's scummy but that's also SSK, so etc.".

Is this inaccurate? How do you normally interact with your scumpartners?

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm sorry, I thought the qyote was my explanation...
I don't blindly bandwagon.

In my expirience as mafia, covering up for my mistakes by calling myself a bad player was one of my (poor) strategies.

Eh. I am not you.

I wasn't defending myself because he has a valid case.

From my understanding, you are under the belief that I would go for the "oh, I'm such a terrible player" strategy?

For one, the quote only states that I'm bad at start up once.

For two, I said the case on me was valid, thus I was not covering up what I had done that was scummy.

For three, this really seems like you are trying to avoid Kmd's suspicion since you were also on his scummy list.

So you are conceding to everything in the case except being scum. That's like being on trial and saying that the DNA evidence presented against you is correct, but you still didn't do it.

Unvote, Vote: RayFrost

[RayFrost]

So you are conceding to everything in the case except being scum. That's like being on trial and saying that the DNA evidence presented against you is correct, but you still didn't do it.

Unvote, Vote: RayFrost

Can't exactly say "no, I didn't vote for these people" when I have, now can I?

I'm not one for lying. In this situation, there are a few things to note:

the case on me is my voting pattern

I can't deny what my voting pattern is because I have voted for these people at these times

Saying it is a valid case is saying "the case states the facts." Whether they display scummy or non-scummy behavior depends on your perspective

As it is, I'm too tired to do much in the way of self-defense.

[~Jordan`]

Sigh RayFrost. That's philosophy you speak of now.

We don't know what you are thinking. You hvae to tell us and hope we blieve you (the more valid the defense, the better) or we have to make predictions.

confirm vote: RayFrost

I suggest you get some energy.