Mafia 101 - Mafia Dodgeball: GAME OVER

[Bub Bidderskins]

Sorry I have been gone sooo long...

I don't think ssk is the best lynch for the day ether, I think ray is. But since we ned to build up press and he was lurking he was the best vote at this time. I will however not push for a quick lynch on him and will unvote if too much prees gets piled on him. I just want to get a wagon going, yet I still want ray lynched.

This pushed me over the edge.

unvote, vote: cooldog

If you want a wagon going, and you want Ray lynched, why don't you vote for him? That's a contradiction. Do you want Ray lynched or not? Or do you want Ray lynched but don't want to be voting for him?

CD, at the moment I'm struggling to find one thing you've done for the town.

[quote="sajin']I posit this is because Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town[/quote]

So you think Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town when you yourself said that:

Ok I seriously want to know how SSK's contributions are worse than Tubby's.

Both are bad sure

, but why could I not get the majority on board Tubby's lynch for

pratically the same reasons as those on SSK's wagon

are on there.

You said that Tubby's scum and SSK's town and yet you admit yourself that the cases against them are practically the same.

FOS: sajin

Explain, why is Tubby scum and SSK town?

[Sajin]

Sorry I have been gone sooo long...

I don't think ssk is the best lynch for the day ether, I think ray is. But since we ned to build up press and he was lurking he was the best vote at this time. I will however not push for a quick lynch on him and will unvote if too much prees gets piled on him. I just want to get a wagon going, yet I still want ray lynched.

This pushed me over the edge.

unvote, vote: cooldog

If you want a wagon going, and you want Ray lynched, why don't you vote for him? That's a contradiction. Do you want Ray lynched or not? Or do you want Ray lynched but don't want to be voting for him?

CD, at the moment I'm struggling to find one thing you've done for the town.

[quote="sajin']I posit this is because Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town

So you think Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town when you yourself said that:

Ok I seriously want to know how SSK's contributions are worse than Tubby's.

Both are bad sure

, but why could I not get the majority on board Tubby's lynch for

pratically the same reasons as those on SSK's wagon

are on there.

You said that Tubby's scum and SSK's town and yet you admit yourself that the cases against them are practically the same.

FOS: sajin

Explain, why is Tubby scum and SSK town?[/quote]

Because I campaigned on Tubby pointing out all the flaws all day and no one joined in. Then similar reasons are brought about on SSK and a huge wagon is sprung. Since you also think that the cases are similar, then explain your voting patterns.

[RayFrost]

i still don't understand the ssk wagon. can anyone tell me the reasons behind the wagon?

@ray, have you read my defense at the top of the page?

defense? oh, that?

you said the lynch is about who is scummiest, not who "must be scum"

if they must be scum, then they are obviously the scummiest... =/

what scummy points did I gather, then?

You didn't push for a milkshake lynch, nor did you really do much for any of the lynches. you just voted and didn't make a case / give reasoning.

I think that's called piggy backing... (when you follow others' reasoning with none of your own as the reason of doing something)

[Snow_Bunny]

I'm a little behind with this game. Will catch up soon.

[CooLDoG]

I think ssk has posted the most isolated scummy posts, but I think the overall picture lands on rayfrost, post more later.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Explain, why is Tubby scum and SSK town?

Because I campaigned on Tubby pointing out all the flaws all day and no one joined in. Then similar reasons are brought about on SSK and a huge wagon is sprung. Since you also think that the cases are similar, then explain your voting patterns.[/quote]

Are you admitting to tunneling then?

[Sajin]

Explain, why is Tubby scum and SSK town?

Because I campaigned on Tubby pointing out all the flaws all day and no one joined in. Then similar reasons are brought about on SSK and a huge wagon is sprung. Since you also think that the cases are similar, then explain your voting patterns.

Are you admitting to tunneling then?

Sure. I tend to do that.

Your post did not address my concerns. Your stances are hypocritical.

Unvote; Vote: Bub Bidderskins

1- Bub agrees that the cases of not contributing of Tubby and SSK are similar.

2- Bub voted SSK and not Tubby after admitting the cases were similar.

I therefore must ask myself why did you feel justified in one but not the other. Conclusion: you are scum partners together.

[DeathNote]

I honestly want to vote CD for issues stated in the first day, and I am getting bad vibes about him and Bub's play off each other. However, the case he had against him seemed to have vanished and now I am unsure if him or Bub would be a better choice for today.

Sajin tunneling is not nearly as bad as you dodging.

[imaginality]

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

[Sajin]

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

Why not lynch the one taking hypocritical stances first in case there is some bussing going on?

[tubby216]

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

Why not lynch the one taking hypocritical stances first in case there is some bussing going on?

its cause sajin is fail and just wants someone lynched

[CooLDoG]

very sorry ya'll, that I have not posted in a long time, busy days...

I think we need to go back to d1 and re-read. We need to start making cases not shouting down each other. Also it looks like we will be heading down the same ol' deadline miss-lynch that we had at d-1, mafia kill off one more, then we dealine again and again and again. I really want to see the cases on every one.

[Vi]

Sajin's line of questioning is interesting, but I'd like to see Bub's response before I comment further on it.

CooLDoG 886 makes me very disappointed that I'm not a dayvig.
Much as I don't want to join the wagon dramonic and DeathNote have expressed interest in just out of principle, it's pretty attractive.

[dramonic]

I am wounded by your lack of appreciation on my person

CoolDoG is making scummy posts, it's only natural to vote him. Sajin is his usual self and SSK is lurking, he'll get replaced anyways.
Bub I'm not sure about, but I'll develop from the CDG flip (if flip there is)

[Snow_Bunny]

Ah, I still want a SSK lynch, or a tubby if that one is not possible. CD's looking scummy, but I still prefer either of the firsts.

[manho]

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

Why not lynch the one taking hypocritical stances first in case there is some bussing going on?

you can always lynch bub tomorrow whether he is hypocritical or bussing or whatever. you just need to gather the reason.

[Plum]

Day 2 Votecount 02

RayFrost - 1 - alvinz95
tubby216 - 1 - imaginality
manho - 1 - RayFrost
dramonic - 1 - Vi
MafiaSSK -

3

- Hayker, Snow_Bunny, CooLDoG
alvinz95 - 1 - tubby216,
CooLDoG -

3

- Dry-fit, dramonic, Bub Bidderskins,
Bub Bidderskins - 1 - Sajin

Not Voting (6): DeathNote, ~Jordan`, ZazieR, MafiaSSK, Lowell, manho

With 18 Players alive it'll take 10 votes to pound someone into the wall.
With 18 Players alive it'll take 9 votes to call for a peaceful water break.

Still working on a replacement for

~Jordan`

. MafiaSSK was V/LA over the weekend, so definitely no prods for him. ZazieR and Lowell are getting ultimatums to post ASAP or be replaced just as fast; their activity the whole game has been inadequate.

RayFrost

,

Hayker

,

Dry-fit

,

alvinz95

all getting normal prods.

[RayFrost]

gah, responding to the prod. Sorry for not posting

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

Why not lynch the one taking hypocritical stances first in case there is some bussing going on?

you can always lynch bub tomorrow whether he is hypocritical or bussing or whatever. you just need to gather the reason.

I like how you respond to Sajin but not me how about you do so?

re Sajin:

Think about it like this (assuming tubby-scum and possible bub-scum):

Tubby is confirmed scum, while bub is a coin toss.

it's better to go for tubs (100% scum) before going for bub (30~50% scum). The flip from tubs will give information regarding other players.

Admittedly, I find my read of tubs neutralish, so I don't back a tubs lynch. Despite this, you should be pushing for the more likely scum lynch than the lynch of the less likely, sajin.

[Dry-fit]

Dryfit is kinda tunnelled on Cooldog. I think Dryfit could be scum, Cooldog could/would/will be an easy mislynch target for scum to push.

So you don't find CoolDoG scummy?

Tubby's play has not been like what I have seen from him as town. He has failed to give any reasons for his bad alvinz vote and has been generally unhelpful. I can only conclude that he is being purposefully antagonistic to try to throw us off.

unvote. Vote: tubby216

[RayFrost]

Dryfit is kinda tunnelled on Cooldog. I think Dryfit could be scum, Cooldog could/would/will be an easy mislynch target for scum to push.

So you don't find CoolDoG scummy?

Tubby's play has not been like what I have seen from him as town. He has failed to give any reasons for his bad alvinz vote and has been generally unhelpful. I can only conclude that he is being purposefully antagonistic to try to throw us off.

unvote. Vote: tubby216

does this make him more or less likely to be scum, and why would it be indicative either way?

[manho]

you said the lynch is about who is scummiest, not who "must be scum"

if they must be scum, then they are obviously the scummiest... =/

yes, but the inverse does not hold.

what scummy points did I gather, then?

i admit it is mainly based on gut feeling

You didn't push for a milkshake lynch, nor did you really do much for any of the lynches. you just voted and didn't make a case / give reasoning.

as i didn't have enough reason for the lynch.

[RayFrost]

you said the lynch is about who is scummiest, not who "must be scum"

if they must be scum, then they are obviously the scummiest... =/

yes, but the inverse does not hold.

what scummy points did I gather, then?

i admit it is mainly based on gut feeling

You didn't push for a milkshake lynch, nor did you really do much for any of the lynches. you just voted and didn't make a case / give reasoning.

as i didn't have enough reason for the lynch.

You said lynch is about who is scummiest, not who must be scum. The inverse, truly, doesn't hold, meaning you are quite likely lynching who is not the "must be scum" category, meaning you are not lynching logically.

Scum points.

You say I gather scum points but it is based on gut, thus has no backing, and, thus, means you are almost certainly just following the trends.

Scum points.

you didn't have enough reason for the lynch, yet you were voting for him and thus showed your support of the lynch. more evidence of following common trends.

Scum points.

[manho]

so why is following the trend scummy? you need to get someone lynch at deadline, or there will be a no-lynch, which is bad for the town. i really didn't know who must be scum then, so i went for the most scummy one base on my gut and the trend. there must be reasons behind the trend.

[RayFrost]

so why is following the trend scummy? you need to get someone lynch at deadline, or there will be a no-lynch, which is bad for the town. i really didn't know who must be scum then, so i went for the most scummy one base on my gut and the trend. there must be reasons behind the trend.

Well, the fact you don't have

any

reasoning for finding me scummy despite the rather extensive case(s) made against me says you were following the trend without knowing why the trend existed.

Blindly following is scummy.

If you didn't know who the scum were, and somebody was already guaranteed to be lynched (me), then your vote should've been left nowhere.

Merely voting to vote is scummy as it avoids having to defend yourself and the like.

Even if there are "Reason" behind the trend, if you don't know the reasons, you can't assess the value of the reasons and determine yourself if the person in question is scummy. The fact you were willing to follow so easily is the suspicious bit.

You say that you were voting for the people you found scummiest based off your gut and the trend. From what I can tell, you have no posts that set off a gut reaction of scummy, which means you were

purely

following the trend.

Following that, if you were truly just following the trend, you'd have voted me to "ensure" a lynch on me. The fact you didn't shows you weren't really following the trend, considering milkshake wasn't the largest wagon and was, thus, not the trend.

[manho]

no, i follow the trend to look at you, milkshake and SB. and after rereading your posts, my gut said milkshake is the most scummy one.