/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[mith]

Vote Count:

3 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (VP Baltar)

Not Voting: 3 (charter, elvis_knits, PookyTheMagicalBear)

[VP Baltar]

Your argument is still terrible, not every person that the scum fail to hammer at lynch -1 = scumbag.

That's the argument you are making about me though now isn't it.

Let's look at the reasons why you claim the scum would obviously not hammer you:

1) Not feeling threatened, wanted to keep me around since i wasn't really contributing
2) felt i was an easy endgame push lynch
3) thought i could easily be fooled into voting for a townie at endgame
4) thought they would be overexposed by a hammer on me.

How many of those reasons do you think applies to me less than they do to you? Not lynching me on my super speed wagon very easily fulfills all of those and probably any other shaky reasons you can come up with. In terms of my wagon, what I think is much less shaky is rofl clearly trying to use me to his advantage after I had claimed.

What did they do when Tajo looked like he was about to get run up? almost all of them ended up piling onto a pooky wagon.

And yet, you're still to give any substantial reasoning why they wouldn't hammer you prior to that when they had a golden opportunity to do so with minor culpability. I've already pointed out a legitimate reason why they would pile on you even if you were scum in that position. Tajo was the lynch pin (heh) in their scum team and they needed to protect him no matter what. I'm not buying the "they were waiting for another townie to do it" because there were minor grumblings toward tajo from SC already at that point. If you were town in that situation it'd make perfect sense to hammer you soon after your claim and nip that in the bud. Like I said though, they took a gamble hoping to not lynch either of their buddies that day and it didn't pan out so well.

The only way a townie can guarantee that Charter stumps to prove his innocence prior to a lynch is to withhold his vote. If you actually meant what you said you would never have voted without actually getting a stump from charter.

Well, that's nice and all, but you didn't answer my question. What do you think is scummy about Charter since you are considering it, as any good townie would?

Also, my vote served a very specific purpose of showing that you are likely scum and I wanted to you to actually respond to the case I made on you. Now that you are, it should be easy for everyone to see the horrible arguments you are having to use to try and defend yourself and that you are obvscum. I mean, do you really think people are going to buy the argument that a scum will vote in endgame first and hope that TWO town members quickhammer? That's ridiculous.

Of course I'm going to select the relevant quotes from the scumbags for when they are talking about you, i'm not going to quote them when they are talking about some dead guy as that would be pointless.

I think you know very well that wasn't what I was saying. You basically picked out parts where scumbags said "I think VP is scummy for this" and then said "oh hey, but they didn't lynch you when they had the chance, obv. scum!". I'm saying that I could go back, CTRL +F Pooky, and probably come up with the very same argument against you.

As far as the scum not joining my wagon, I've already said I can't say much about that. But it's not like those scum were the only ones "derailing" it. So was charter. So was Ek. So were you. Take any of your WIFOM reasons above as to why the scum OBVIOUISLY wouldn't hammer you and apply liberally to my own wagon. I don't know why they did it, but they did. However, the difference between our wagons is that the scum had very substantial reasons as to why they would push on you so hard in that situation after deciding to not lynch you for no explicable reason. They would not have gained nearly as much and would have perhaps even come out worse for lynching me at the time of my wagon.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1) No that's not the reasoning I am using on you. I'm saying scum are usually spread throughout wagons when they have no stake in who is getting lynched because concentrating all the scum votes on one person is a really good way to get caught and they wouldn't risk something like that without a certain gain, like saving their godfather from getting lynched.

2) Your wagon wasn't going to get lynched either way, but the point I made was that the scum derailed your wagon and built a counterwagon on Xyl and put all their necks on the line by all piling on against him in order to save your bacon. That's VERY different from just refraining from hammering you as it requires actively risking their own necks.

3) There was no heat on Tajo, all those reasons I said apply, sure in hindsight it seems like a pretty good idea to hammer pookytown, but those scum in that position made a mistake and didn't do it, to say that this proves that I am scum is terrible logic. In fact if you somehow use this logic to lynch me, then those scum making that decision would be making the RIGHT decision as it leads directly to a scum win. This line of reasoning from you is full of WIFOM.

4) I'm not certain of Charter's innocence, and I lose nothing from having Charter confirm his townieness, heck even if you don't assume my innocence, the TOWN loses nothing for making Charter treestump as the town only has one lynch left. Making sure charter is town by forcing him to treestump DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THIS TOWN HAS ONLY ONE LYNCH LEFT. Your vote would only make sense if you're a scumbag who doesn't worry about the possibility of charter-scum at all.

5) No, that's not what i pointed out, I pointed out they had passive-aggressive arguments that went against YOU and YOUR ATTACKERS, which attacked your attackers, they also miraculously DID NOT VOTE AGAINST YOU. On that crucial day 2, EVEN THOUGH Yos, Zu AND Tajo all suspected you NOT ONE of them voted you and ALL instead pushed onto Xyl instead. It'd wouldn't be suspicious if one of them did it but all of them? Pretty much gurantees you're scumbag.

Btw, good luck trying to flip that argument back at me cuz the crucial part, that they didn't vote YOU, doesn't APPLY TO ME BECAUSE THEY ALL TRIED TO LYNCH ME ON DAY THREE.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hey VP

4 confirmed Scumbags joining Xyl wagon instead of YOUR wagon when 3 of them have stated they suspect you of being scumbag in order to SAVE YOUR ASS when 6 out of the 6 people on your wagon are TOWN IS NOT WIFOM. IT IS SCUM MAKING A SMART PLAY TO SAVE THEIR GODFATHER.

If people could say Wifom to every scummilicious play they made, we wouldn't bother playing this game, we'd be throwing darts at a dartboard and going WIFOM WIFOM.

[charter]

I can't believe I'm saying it, but I think Balter is the scum.

[elvis_knits]

I'm not sure yet, but I did think 2066 from pooky was good.

The comments the scum had about VP are very important. The way they were mostly noncommital is sort of what I would expect from scum commenting on each other. But Yos seemed to sound like he would vote for VP... seemed to be saying he thought VP was scum. So then why not vote for him? Same thing with tajo I think, sounded very anti-baltar without voting.

[VP Baltar]

Charter and EK, if you let scum pooky win this game after contributing nothing all game, I'm going to be very upset with you for awhile.

He is saying I am obv. scum because scum didn't hammer me, when the same exact thing happened to him and the scum benefited SIGNIFICANTLY from trying to lynch him over tajo.

I'm basically just repeating myself here, so reread the posts I made to him in reply and I think it should be fairly obvious that he is executing their scum plan of saving me for the perfect mislynch.

Also, please actually look back at the vote count I pointed out. Pooky was at L-1 with only one scum on him the tide was preparing to turn on Tajo. I can't think of any reason why the scum would not lynch him at that point unless they were trying to save him. It seriously screwed their whole team. It makes no sense not to lynch him at that point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've already said that's not what I'm saying Baltar, MULTIPLE TIMES. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU CLAIM THAT IS MY LOGIC IT WONT SUDDENLY BECOME MY LOGIC JUST BECAUSE YOU SAID SO.

if they were trying to save me, they would've run up somebody else, like they did with Xyl to save you. The scum didn't care if I died or not, but it's pretty obv scumstrategy not to lynch the idiot townie if the town looks like it's about to do it to you.

your joke emotional appeals are pretty bad. Here i'll do a joke emotional appeal too with assumption you are scum.

Look at this list:
ekiM (Vengeful Townie) - killed Night 6.
Thesp (Vanilla Townie) - lynched Day 6.
Kmd4390 (1-shot Vigilante) - killed Night 5.
SerialClergyman (Bodyguard) - killed Night 4.
iamausername (2-shot Jailkeeper) - killed Night 3
Ojanen (Goon Cop) - killed Night 2.
Xylthixlm (Vanilla Townie) - lynched Day 2.
Shabba (Secret Eternal Order of the Magic Train) - tied self to the railroad tracks Night 1.
Herodotus (Secret Eternal Order of the Magic Train) - tied self to the railroad tracks Night 1.
inHimshallibe (Vanilla Townie) - killed Night 1.
Claus (Secret Eternal Order of the Magic Train) - killed Night 1.
BridgesAndBaloons (Vanilla Townie) - lynched Day 1.


That's the list of every player on the town side who's contributed collectively over 70 pages of replies to try to win this game for the town. If you let scum-baltar with his crap logic and emotional appeals cause you to lynch poor PookyTown, I will be very upset with you.

[VP Baltar]

if they were trying to save me, they would've run up somebody else, like they did with Xyl to save you.

The only viable lynches were YOU or TAJO at that time. They had no reason not to lynch. Unless you're their buddy, of course.

In other news, I love repeating obvious facts.

The scum didn't care if I died or not, but it's pretty obv scumstrategy not to lynch the idiot townie if the town looks like it's about to do it to you.

Why would they not care when their whole scum team collapsed because they didn't lynch you? That's good logic there.

Also, why does your logic that they were waiting for the town to lynch you apply to your lynch but not to mine? That's right, it doesn't because it's bad logic to begin with.

NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS IT WONT SUDDENLY MAKE YOU NOT BEING LYNCHED AT THAT TIME NOT BE SCUMMY.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rofl only viable lynches were me and Tajo? let me refresh your memory, below are the votecount you cited:

Deadline: Approximately 4 days from this post.

Vote Count: 7 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 6 (charter, elvis_knits, iamausername, Thesp, VP Baltar, zu_Faul)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
Kmd4390: 1 (populartajo)
roflcopter: 1 (SerialClergyman)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)
zu_Faul: 1 (Kmd4390)

Not Voting: 1 (ekiM)


How could it be that the viable lynches at that time were me and Tajo when Tajo doesn't have a single vote on him?

as they saw it at the time, there was no threat to their team, hence why they didn't hammer me and decided to all spread out. When it was clear tajo was getting run up, that's when they all converged on me suddenly.

[VP Baltar]

How could it be that the viable lynches at that time were me and Tajo when Tajo doesn't have a single vote on him?

See, this shows me that you are not actually looking at the context of anything and are simply trying your best to get me lynched on a bad argument. Actually go to the page with that vote count and read the next couple of pages.

I'll give you a hint though: the tide started to fully turn on tajo almost immediately after that vote count. Here are the counts from the next three pages:

Deadline: Approximately 4 days from this post.

Vote Count: 7 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 6 (charter, elvis_knits, iamausername, Thesp, VP Baltar, zu_Faul)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
Kmd4390: 1 (populartajo)
populartajo: 1 (SerialClergyman)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)
zu_Faul: 1 (Kmd4390)

Not Voting: 1 (ekiM)

Deadline: Approximately 3 days from this post.

Vote Count: 7 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 4 (charter, iamausername, Thesp, VP Baltar)
populartajo: 3 (elvis_knits, Kmd4390, SerialClergyman)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
Kmd4390: 1 (populartajo)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)

Not Voting: 2 (ekiM, zu_Faul)

Deadline: Approximately 3 days from this post.

Vote Count: 7 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 4 (charter, iamausername, Thesp, VP Baltar)
populartajo: 3 (elvis_knits, Kmd4390, SerialClergyman)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
Kmd4390: 1 (populartajo)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)

Not Voting: 2 (ekiM, zu_Faul)

Tajo was going down quickly and four confirmed scumbags were not on you and could have lynched quick before the damage got any worse. It's my opinion that they were deliberately choosing not to because they didn't want to lynch either of you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gee whiz, i don't see any oppurtunity for a scumbag to hammer me in those votecounts when Tajo becomes a viable lynch, looks like people switched off me to tajo, those taking me away from the edge while making tajo a viable lynch. kinda kills your whole case doesn't it.

Unless you're honestly surprised that three scum sitting with their votes in different places didn't suddenly synchronized make a move on me when i'm at 4 votes and tajo is at 3.

cuz you know, that wouldn't look suspicious at all, 3 scum suddenly coming at voting me just cuz tajo got to 3 votes.

[VP Baltar]

gee whiz, i don't see any oppurtunity for a scumbag to hammer me in those votecounts when Tajo becomes a viable lynch, looks like people switched off me to tajo, those taking me away from the edge while making tajo a viable lynch. kinda kills your whole case doesn't it.

Unless you're honestly surprised that three scum sitting with their votes in different places didn't suddenly synchronized make a move on me when i'm at 4 votes and tajo is at 3.

cuz you know, that wouldn't look suspicious at all, 3 scum suddenly coming at voting me just cuz tajo got to 3 votes.

And yet that was exactly what they did shortly after that when tajo's lynch became even more imminent. Clearly they didn't care about looking suspicious, just about not lynching you.

My guess is they were hoping for just one more townie on the Iam wagon and they would have gladly taken that. Never came through though. You should chastise your buddies after the game for not bussing you when they had the chance. Kind of screwed things up big time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you looking at the same votecount i'm looking at? cuz i'm not seeing this easy lynch the scum had when tajo was under threat. unless you're going to say that they could somehow coordinate a 3 vote move onto me psychically when tajo only had 3 votes on him

lol good luck with that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

especially when those votecounts are happeniing so close together over a 3 day period.

If you just isolate mith's posts and go by votecount, you can see that from the time Tajo came under real threat, which was when he became the leading wagon, to when he got lynched, those 4 scumbags all piled on top of me one by one but did not have the numbers to lynch me. Sure you could've joined them and lynched me, but i guess you thought that'd look pretty suspicious and stayed off. I'm sure your scumbuddies will give you hell for it when you get lynched/lose.

[VP Baltar]

apart from the three folks voting him there was also talk by others that he was a scum bag.

Again, look at context beyond the vote counts.

EK, you're making me uncomfortable with your silence. At the start of the day you were leaning toward pooky being scum. Then charter said he was leaning toward me, and you seemed to be agreeing a bit more that way. It seems a bit like spurring on a fight from the sidelines. I'd like to hear you fleshed out opinion.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so the scum were supposed to instantly see this analysis and all extract themselves from their positions all over the voting arena and converge on me quickly? how do you even coordinate that between 3 scum with no means of communication? you're in fantasy land right now.

I'll tell you what happened, the scumbags decided to lay low and look innocent since they all piled onto one wagon on day 2 to save your ass, so day 3 they decided having all 5 of them on the same wagon would probly be a pretty dumb idea unless they absolutely needed to do it. Hence when PookyLurkerTown got run up by mostly townies, they decided collectively it was a good idea to scatter all over the place mostly putting their votes on people who wouldn't get lynched and let pooky get hung by his own laziness. Hence why Yosa/Tajo/Rofl were all on different wagons, 2 of them(yosa/tajo) putting their votes where they knew it wouldn't make any difference to get away from the pookywagon which was going to look pretty bad on day 4 when it lynched pookytown.

But look, a miracle happens and people start backing off the pooky wagon onto Tajo, at this point its too late and a mass synchronized move of scum votes onto pooky at the last second when Yosa/Rofl/Tajo are already committed elsewhere would look suspicious as hell, plus it's kinda hard to coordinate such a vote-move when you can't talk, plus the town can sorta see you doing it and REACT. So they moved slowly onto pooky, one by one, and by then it was too late, tajo had been run up and you were stuck waving goodbye to your scumbuddies as they stared at you from the other bandwagon.

[elvis_knits]

apart from the three folks voting him there was also talk by others that he was a scum bag.

Again, look at context beyond the vote counts.

EK, you're making me uncomfortable with your silence. At the start of the day you were leaning toward pooky being scum. Then charter said he was leaning toward me, and you seemed to be agreeing a bit more that way. It seems a bit like spurring on a fight from the sidelines. I'd like to hear you fleshed out opinion.

Um I've been lazy and not reread what I promised. IT began because we seemed to have time to kill and because I wanted to hear from pooky.

I am slightly swayed by pooky... not all his arguments. But I did think it was interesting what the scumbags had to say about you. Particularly how Yos seemed to say you were a good lynch and then not vote you. I don't see any reason why he wouldn't vote you after he said you were a good lynch if you're town.

Although, I know that the specific series of events can be modifying factors.

I plan to read pages around your wagon, VP, as well as the pooky wagon and tajo wagon, how that all went down. That will be more of a deciding factor than anything else, although I am trying to listen to both sides just to make sure I am being fair. I will of course post my findings and be open to discuss before I vote though.

Anyway, I will try to do this reading tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

so the scum were supposed to instantly see this analysis and all extract themselves from their positions all over the voting arena and converge on me quickly?

It didn't happen in an "instant". Furthermore, they knew tajo lynch was disaster for them. And even further more, none of the scumbags who have flipped thus far are stupid by any means. They would have easily seen what was happening. It's not complex. The opportunity was there and they had major incentive to take it, yet they didn't. Simple as that. You're not going to win this argument by simply repeating the same garbage and trying to pummel the town with words now after you have made a concerted effort to be unreadable up until this point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what are u even smoking

u honestly saying its easy for 3 scum to make a coordinated vote shift from randomly all over the place onto me in a small window of time without a town member voting me seeing this and deciding to walk away from it?

Wouldn't that look just a bit SCUMMY AS HELL THE NEXT DAY?

lol

heck if they even voteshift, how are they supposed to know the other scum will voteshift onto me as well? they aren't psychic lol.

[VP Baltar]

Your argument is that the scum wouldn't vote shift because it would make them look scummy, even though tajo's death would have obviously resulted in all the lynches we have had thus far. That makes a lot of sense.

So, the real question, my dear pooky wookyums, is what are you smoking?

heck if they even voteshift, how are they supposed to know the other scum will voteshift onto me as well? they aren't psychic

Yes, therefore, none of them would vote you for the fear that their partners weren't "psychic".

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hindsight is 20/20, could all three of those scum have known tajoscum was going to be lynched? he only had 3 votes on him. Could all three scum have known that if tajo would be lynched then they would in turn be quickly lynched? You're making quite a lot of assumptions here. Assuming that all three scum KNEW that tajo was going to be run up AND that this would lead immediately to all three of them being run up is a pretty big leap of the imagination. Heck not only would they need to see that as you insist, they'd have to know every other scum saw that AND would be online to execute the quicklynch. Your scenario is looking quite preposterous.


a SUDDEN voteshift(one designed to try to quicklynch me to derail TajoWagon) if seen by town players on my wagon would probly lead to those players walking off my wagon as they would be alarmed why these people who were all over the place would suddenly converge on pooky, hence why they made their move slowly and deliberately onto my bandwagon.

If your key argument for my scumminess is that 3 scum didn't feel a sudden need to switch to me simultaneously or very quickly togeether to 3-vote quicklynch me becuz one of their buddies became the second leading bandwagon of the day, it's a pretty damn weak one.

[VP Baltar]

I never said they needed to switch to you simultaneously. They had time to do it without everyone signing on at the same time. They also had the the chance to hammer you at L-1 or L-2 without much suspicion.

So yeah, round and round we go. You keep coming up with excuses while still refusing to look at the actual wagon, timeline, and grumblings toward tajo.

And the scum should have been able to see their demise from tajo's lynch quite easily given how they were linked so closely in claims and play. It has nothing to do with hindsight. The reason people largely voted tajo was for his connections to rofl and Yos. You should know that if you're actually reading.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok, point at a time period where i had enough votes on me for them to quickhammer me AND when tajo was under serious threat of being lynched.

cuz if you look at the votecounts, that just isn't there.

[charter]

Pooky, where was all this during the days one through six?