Mafia 101 - Mafia Dodgeball: GAME OVER

[Juls]

Possible doc protection and a paranoid gun owner/granny?

I have lots of notes and will meld them into a readable case on Thursday but for now it is bedtime.

Vote: Rayfrost

<===more of these please.

[DeathNote]

I'm aware of that. Thing is, the vig is dead and I doubt the mafia would shoot themselves.

The odds are it is an SK because CD flipped mafia roleblocker and not a Cors or a mafia with a specific alignment.

[chamber]

Vote SB

this could just as easily be deathnote or roflcopter but there is already a vote on SB.

[RayFrost]

I'd like to know how CDG's flip makes it more likely that I'm scum when he's been pushing for my lynch since... early D1, pretty much.

Unless you are saying that CDG and I came up with a seemingly ingenious plan to cross bus each other and failed to do so while both of us came up scummy (at once both uplifting and belittling our intelligence), I'm not sure how his flip would lead to me being more suspicious.

Also, what information do you hope to gain from my flipping? As far as I can tell, you'll (with 90% certainty) see me flip town and shrug it off and say I was failtown and ignore all my posts.

[dramonic]

what's the other 10%?

[RayFrost]

what's the other 10%?

They

might

not be that arrogant

[Vi]

Initial concerns--

I hate the peer pressure pushing me into voting RayFrost, because while I can understand why everyone's doing it (or wants to do it) I still don't think he's scum.

Would a redirector be plausible in a large normal?
I mean, unless CDG/Doc got real lucky without that were missing a pair of kills here.

To contrast, I'd

really

like to lynch dramonic sometime. Whenever everyone has a free Day~

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Looking at vote counts because I don't have the time to reread right now, this is what I see.

CooLDoG

(143) - manho,

Kmd4390

, imaginality, Lowell,

RayFrost,

DeathNote, Bub Bidderskins

Bub Bidderskins (138) - Dry-fit, dramonic, Hayker, RayFrost,

milkshake,

~Jordan`,

CooLDoG,

MafiaSSK,

Snow_Bunny

RayFrost (391) - tubby216,

Kmd4390,

Vi,

~Jordan`,

Bub Bidderskins, Lowell, dramonic, imaginality, Hayker

milkshake

(746) - Vi,

~Jordan`,

Bub Bidderskins, Dry-fit, Hayker,

manho,

tubby216,

MafiaSSK,

CooLDoG

, manho

CooLDoG

(1063) -

Dry-fit

, dramonic,

Bub Bidderskins,

DeathNote, imaginality, manho, Bub Bidderskins, Dry-fit

MafiaSSK

(1150) - Hayker, Snow_Bunny,

Bub Bidderskins, dramonic

,

CooLDoG

,

roflcopter,

malpascp, Vi, tubby216, roflcopter, imaginality, Bub Bidderskins, DeathNote

The Bub wagon interests me most because it was the first "big" wagon, CooLDoG was on it near the end, and so was...

Vote: Snow_Bunny

(L-6)

There are a couple of other interesting things going on too, like how Bub was on literally all of these wagons except his own, with a couple of people not far behind in that regard.

[RayFrost]

Why are you voting snow bunny if you find bub "interesting" in a similar way?

[Vi]

*Bunny-scum already has a wagon
*I had a n00bTown read on Bub earlier, and while I need to reread to verify that I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt right now, especially since
*Bunny-scum already has a wagon

[RayFrost]

Gotcha.

Just to make sure of something...

vote: manho

[dramonic]

Possible doc protection and a paranoid gun owner/granny?

PGO would be dead too.

[chamber]

Possible doc protection

and a paranoid gun owner/granny?

PGO would be dead too.

[dramonic]

That's a lucky doc <_<

[Juls]

OK...I've never played with a PGO on this site only on others where they live if targetted because they kill first. I was thinking he might have roleblocked that person and got killed.

Tomorrow night I will post my cases...off to work/school now.

[tubby216]

Possible doc protection and a paranoid gun owner/granny?

PGO would be dead too.

wrong,

the attacker/targetter would be dead.

vote ray

[manho]

Looking at vote counts because I don't have the time to reread right now, this is what I see.

CooLDoG

(143) - manho,

Kmd4390

, imaginality, Lowell,

RayFrost,

DeathNote, Bub Bidderskins

Bub Bidderskins (138) - Dry-fit, dramonic, Hayker, RayFrost,

milkshake,

~Jordan`,

CooLDoG,

MafiaSSK,

Snow_Bunny

RayFrost (391) - tubby216,

Kmd4390,

Vi,

~Jordan`,

Bub Bidderskins, Lowell, dramonic, imaginality, Hayker

milkshake

(746) - Vi,

~Jordan`,

Bub Bidderskins, Dry-fit, Hayker,

manho,

tubby216,

MafiaSSK,

CooLDoG

, manho

CooLDoG

(1063) -

Dry-fit

, dramonic,

Bub Bidderskins,

DeathNote, imaginality, manho, Bub Bidderskins, Dry-fit

MafiaSSK

(1150) - Hayker, Snow_Bunny,

Bub Bidderskins, dramonic

,

CooLDoG

,

roflcopter,

malpascp, Vi, tubby216, roflcopter, imaginality, Bub Bidderskins, DeathNote

The Bub wagon interests me most because it was the first "big" wagon, CooLDoG was on it near the end, and so was...

Vote: Snow_Bunny

(L-6)

There are a couple of other interesting things going on too, like how Bub was on literally all of these wagons except his own, with a couple of people not far behind in that regard.

so what have you observed?

[manho]

i'll be voting sb or ray tomorrow, still can't choose who is scummier.

[dramonic]

the definition seems pretty clear that anyone who targets the PGO dies, but the effects still go through.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay? A scum was killed? Interesting. I don't really know about RF, CD has been pushing for an RF lynch ever since KMD said that RF was the "scummiest scum". All throughout D-2 CD was saying "I'm still concentrating on RF".

Guys, it may be hard to believe, but I think RF is innocent. It's also interesting how ROFL wasn't killed. He's basically doing what KMD did, and he isn't dead, unlike KMD. Possible PGO?

RF and Vi, could both of you please explain why you've voted for Manho and SB respectivly?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Also, how does CD and my play yesterday make us scum-buds?

[DeathNote]

Okay? A scum was killed? Interesting. I don't really know about RF, CD has been pushing for an RF lynch ever since KMD said that RF was the "scummiest scum". All throughout D-2 CD was saying "I'm still concentrating on RF".

Guys, it may be hard to believe, but I think RF is innocent. It's also interesting how ROFL wasn't killed. He's basically doing what KMD did, and he isn't dead, unlike KMD. Possible PGO?

RF and Vi, could both of you please explain why you've voted for Manho and SB respectivly?

Vote: Bub

Forgive my lack of reasoning but I have to head off to work right now. I will be able to explain my vote either tonight or in a few hours on my break.

[DeathNote]

I am surprised at the lack of activity. I figured there would be at least a page while I was away.

I think bub made a slip in his last post when bringing ROFL up. It seems like BB assumed ROFL would die last night which leads me to believe that he possibly tried to kill him. Not to mention his claim on Ray's innocence seems like a fool move. CD bussed anyone he could that was getting votes, Ray just happened to be the next biggest target yesterday and is now today's biggest target.

Overall... I think BB and Ray could be a separate Mafia faction. If not, odds are that only one of them are aligned with CD and I am guessing it is BB.

Possible setup:
*Two mafia factions (Unlikely as CD flipped mafia and not aligned mafia)
*Mafia and SK
*Mafia and a doc or re-director or both (If mafia died last night because of a redirection, then I am going to laugh so hard.)

Of course we already know there was a vig so my bet is on the second option. What are the odds of there being an SK and a vig? Also, someone is either NK immune or the doc is very good because we have two unexplained kills so far unless the set up is option three.

[Juls]

the definition seems pretty clear that anyone who targets the PGO dies, but the effects still go through.

Then if Cdog targetted with a roleblock instead of a kill he would die if roleblock is lower in the night order resolution than the PGO. I see PGO as a passive role anyway so I would think it would be unblockable but I am not sure. The doc protection could be separate and distinct.

I'm in class on my laptop. I will start a post based on the notes I collected during my read and see how far I get. No promises that it will be tonight but I will try. (Depends on how boring the lecture is or if I need to take notes)

[Sajin]

I told you SSK was town dammit, I have played way too much with him and it reminded me of his play in Lazy Neighborhood mafia. No one else saw that vote speed?

I assume we are playing mountainous or have a SK now. Interesting.

I think Bub is very closely tied with cooldog. I still remember that post he made from cooldog's account. I consider the vote on each other null as they were leading competing wagons.

I agree rayfrost is likey tied with cooldog as well but I really want to know Bub's flip as it seems by far the most informational to me.

Vote: Bub

[Bub Bidderskins]

I just dig how everybody automatically assumes that CD and I are scum buds, and yet epically fails in every way to explain why this is so. The reason I thought ROFL would be targetted because he did basically the same thing that KMD did, and that was say that RF was mr. scum. He's also posted a great deal, and made himself look to be quite townish.

Also, perhaps the SK and Mafia have alternating night kills. Last night we had one kill, and tonight we had one (scum) kill. Or maybe there's another vig. It's just odd. At the moment, I'm awaiting answers to my questions.