Open 180 - 3 of 5 / Out in the Wilde (Game Over!)

[Nikanor]

After a surprisingly short night, most of you wake up to a crisp morning. The ground is slightly damp after last night's drizzle, and beads of water still fall from the leaves of the trees. If you didn't know better, you'd say that all is right and serene within the world. The only thing disturbing the scene is the mangled corpse of-

DeathSauce: Oh my God, what happened?

Alduskkel: It looks as if he was cut in the head...

Trumpet: And slashed in the throat...

hohum: And stabbed in the chest...

dramonic: They really didn't want him to survive, did they?

malpascp: Di- did they remove his eyes?

Trumpet: Looks to be that way.

DeathSauce: Poor guy, he never stood a chance.

Alduskkel: Where's Santos? He should see this.

Santos: *Yawn* What did I mis- Oh.

Santos joined the group of people looking upon saberwolf's deceased body. Despite the extensive criminal record he claimed to have, it seems he was a prime target for the Mafia.

saberwolf

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Town Miller

- Killed night one.

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (7)

- Alduskkel, dramonic, malpascp, Trumpet of Doom, Santos, DeathSauce, hohum.

It is now day two. With seven players alive, four votes are required to lynch.

Negotiable deadline falls on November 28 at 06:25 UTC.

I've edited the roles post to clarify the setup. If there is still some confusion, please let me know in-topic or via pm.

[saberwolf]

BAH!

Go scum!

[hohum]

Top suspects:

Alduskkel: Your insistence on Suave being town despite the fact that not a single thing he did was pro town almost makes you look as if you knew he was town.

Trumpet of Doom: for the scummy unvote yesterday.

Vote: Alduskkel

[hohum]

EBWOP:

Vote: Alduskkel

Let's see where this day takes us.

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

[Alduskkel]

And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

[hohum]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

Your level of certainty gives you away. It means you had inside knowledge that only scum would have

[Alduskkel]

What makes you think I was so certain?

[Alduskkel]

And what exactly is scummy about ToD's unvote, by the way?

[dramonic]

Well that was some terrible play on Suave's part.

[hohum]

And what exactly is scummy about ToD's unvote, by the way?

Go read it. In a single breath he goes from unvoting to saying "I STILL THINK HE'S SCUMMY"

His inability to insert himself into the discussion is troubling. Post 127 screams "I can't form an opinion" to me.

What makes you think I was so certain?

Well that was some terrible play on Suave's part.

QFT

He had 5 other people in this thread fooled and yet you somehow had the clarity of vision to see through some of the worst doc play on site? I don't buy that at all.

And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

After a mislynch a common scum tactic is to cycle through a wagon and lay the blame on thick. Seems to be what you're laying down the foundation to do here.

[DeathSauce]

I will be on V/LA until Monday. May be able to check in briefly tomorrow.

Acknowledged. ~Nik

[Santos]

Vote: Alduskkell

Something's up. Let's find out.

[DeathSauce]

Quick take is that scum did us a favor by taking out saberwolf. Eliminates the whole discussion about whether he was/was not the miller.

Also, now that we know there was a doc and a miller, I think that eliminates the possibility of there being a cop or a mafia roleblocker in this game, based on the rules in post 1.

Nikanor, can you clarify that ?

[saberwolf]

saberwolf, please do not post once you have died.

[dramonic]

Quick take is that scum did us a favor by taking out saberwolf. Eliminates the whole discussion about whether he was/was not the miller.

Also, now that we know there was a doc and a miller, I think that eliminates the possibility of there being a cop or a mafia roleblocker in this game, based on the rules in post 1.

Nikanor, can you clarify that ?

we can nhave one or the other. The third one is either rb, cop or another townie.

[malpascp]

Vote: Santos

[Nikanor]

Quick take is that scum did us a favor by taking out saberwolf. Eliminates the whole discussion about whether he was/was not the miller.

Also, now that we know there was a doc and a miller, I think that eliminates the possibility of there being a cop or a mafia roleblocker in this game, based on the rules in post 1.

Nikanor, can you clarify that ?

dramonic has the right idea. Since you guys know there was a doctor and miller in this setup, there is only one variable role left. That role is either a Town Vanilla, a Town Cop, or a Mafia Roleblocker.
It seems that most people were confused about that. Sorry folks! *Slaps self* Bad Nikanor!

[dramonic]

Don't slap yourself. Only I have the right to make use of sadism on you.

Thank you? ~Nik

[hohum]

Vote: Santos

I sure as hell hope you're planning to do more than lurk today.

[Trumpet of Doom]

And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

I don't know I'd say it was clear that's what Suave was doing... I think there's at least one thread in MD saying you should never claim D1 if you're vanilla. The "scum will just kill me if I claim" could have been seen as a doc softclaim, but I can sort of see why someone might think that was hammer-worthy.

That said, Santos, it is legal, and even encouraged, to hold off on a hammer like that while waiting for comments from a few other players. Can we keep that in mind for today?

Go read it. In a single breath he goes from unvoting to saying "I STILL THINK HE'S SCUMMY"

Fail, hohum. That was my random vote, which I took off because Suave was at L-1 on page 4 and I was unintentionally contributing to said wagon. (81 was an antiprod, I just saw that you thought it was time to prod me and decided something needed to be said.)

His inability to insert himself into the discussion is troubling. Post 127 screams "I can't form an opinion" to me.

Either I need to get better at figuring out what you need me to tell you, or you need to get better at reading between the lines of previous posts. From post 99:

Suave's play is a bit worrisome

"(Somewhat) scummy..."

and worth keeping an eye on.

"...but not lynchworthy yet." Come on, is it really that hard?

You're my top suspect from yesterday, and you're not doing anything to lessen that suspicion today.

FoS

... screw it,

Vote: hohum.

mal: Any reasoning you'd like to share for that vote?

[malpascp]

Its 23h here so...
answers only tomorrow

[hohum]

You're my top suspect from yesterday, and you're not doing anything to lessen that suspicion today. FoS... screw it, Vote: hohum.

The only thing I've done today was

accuse you of being scum

and raise some very legitimate points about Alduskkel's play. Your reaction seems very OMGUSy.

Quote tags fixed. ~Nik

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

He had 5 other people in this thread fooled and yet you somehow had the clarity of vision to see through some of the worst doc play on site? I don't buy that at all.

So you're attacking me for being a good player? Real good scum hunting there bro.

And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

After a mislynch a common scum tactic is to cycle through a wagon and lay the blame on thick. Seems to be what you're laying down the foundation to do here.

I haven't blamed anyone.

[hohum]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

He had 5 other people in this thread fooled and yet you somehow had the clarity of vision to see through some of the worst doc play on site? I don't buy that at all.

So you're attacking me for being a good player? Real good scum hunting there bro.

Nice attempt at misdirection. I'm saying you knew for a fact that he was town and that's the only inside information that scum would have.

Quote tags fixed. ~Nik